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07/27/2012 11:03 PM (UTC)
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ok people lets all agree that darrius is the greatest character EVER!!!!!




Darrius.
Such a deep character. Abandoning his fellow Seidan Guards as he realized that the way they keep order in the realms through tyrannical means is wrong, then plotting against them, being the leader of a resistance group and manipulated by the Cleric of Chaos known as Havik.

None of this has anything to do with the main plot of Mortal Kombat, nothing to do with Onaga, Outworld or Earthrealms. It only interacts with the other new characters of MKD who are affiliated with either the Orderrealm or the Chaosrealm. It is an interesting story and I hope to see more of it. I also love his gauntlet blades and I hope he utilizes them more in future games. I would like for his outfit to change though. It was rather boring, in my opinion. And his gameplay was also rather boring, it wasn't unique or interesting, nothing iconic that made Darrius special.

I wouldn't call him the greatest character though.
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07/27/2012 11:55 PM (UTC)
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Darrius.
Such a deep character. Abandoning his fellow Seidan Guards as he realized that the way they keep order in the realms through tyrannical means is wrong, then plotting against them, being the leader of a resistance group and manipulated by the Cleric of Chaos known as Havik.

None of this has anything to do with the main plot of Mortal Kombat, nothing to do with Onaga, Outworld or Earthrealms. It only interacts with the other new characters of MKD who are affiliated with either the Orderrealm or the Chaosrealm. It is an interesting story and I hope to see more of it. I also love his gauntlet blades and I hope he utilizes them more in future games. I would like for his outfit to change though. It was rather boring, in my opinion. And his gameplay was also rather boring, it wasn't unique or interesting, nothing iconic that made Darrius special.

I wouldn't call him the greatest character though.


The story of Seido is quite an interesting story.

While it had virtually nothing to do with MKDeception, I enjoyed it nonetheless, and I loved talking to all the people in that realm.

My favorite conversation happens to be with the woman who wanted sapphire koins to make jewelry for her daughter, but later disowned her when her daughter joined the resistance. I searched the realm to find that woman's daughter, but never could. sad To honor that mystery girl, I named her Sapphire.

This may be a bold request, but I'd like for NRS to make that story its own, by turning it into an RPG. I'd also like for Sapphire to become an official character.
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07/27/2012 11:56 PM (UTC)
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I think kobra and kira shold be the poster boy/girl for MK. Black dragon's worst recruits ever FTW!!!smile

hmmm scorpion hasn't always been about revenge let's see:
MK1- revenge on Bi-Han
MK2- took pity upon Kuai Liang for killin Bi-Han. Became his guardian in return
MK3- soul escaped hell due to Kahn's madness. Served kahn in order to stay free. Kahn ordered him to kill Kuai Liang, a resistance member, but Scorpion is a man of his word so he refused to participate
MK4-Quan Chi 'lies' were revealed. So the revenge shifted from Kuai-Liang to Quan Chi. Scorpion:"You are free from my curse.Live well Lin Kuei warror." Sub-Zero:"........ARRRIGHT...."grin
MK5:revenge on Quan Chi
MK6&7:Bitch of the elder Gods

To me Hanzo at his best was in MKII&MKIII. I totally understand and support his revenge on Quan Chi but not Bi-Han,HELL NO! Most importantly, NO BODY tells scorpion what to do, not even the elder Gods. Just no.Go get Fujin or another minor God to do your bidding. The ninja spectre does as he pleasefurious
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07/28/2012 12:17 AM (UTC)
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corayfor Wrote:
hmmm scorpion hasn't always been about revenge let's see:
MKI, II, 4, DA, and MKA were all about his revenge against someone. So most of the games.
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07/28/2012 12:29 AM (UTC)
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corayfor Wrote:
Most importantly, NO BODY tells scorpion what to do, not even the elder Gods. Just no.Go get Fujin or another minor God to do your bidding. The ninja spectre does as he pleasefurious


Except in the newest MK where he is totally being Quan Chi's bitch. And he went to do the Elder Gods' bidding in MKD, or at least tried. So it's not exactly true what you say here. He's so easy to manipulate, because he is so single-minded. Just cater to his needs and he will do what you wish.
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07/28/2012 12:34 AM (UTC)
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oracle Wrote:
corayfor Wrote:
hmmm scorpion hasn't always been about revenge let's see:
MKI, II, 4, DA, and MKA were all about his revenge against someone. So most of the games.


exactly, and l Iike the guy but Im tired of his revenge this and revenge that story. I honestly like him because of his strong heart, loyalty, and the fact that he stands behind his word (like he did in MK3). To be a popular character, Hanzo has so much untapped potential.
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07/28/2012 12:59 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
corayfor Wrote:
Most importantly, NO BODY tells scorpion what to do, not even the elder Gods. Just no.Go get Fujin or another minor God to do your bidding. The ninja spectre does as he pleasefurious


Except in the newest MK where he is totally being Quan Chi's bitch. And he went to do the Elder Gods' bidding in MKD, or at least tried. So it's not exactly true what you say here. He's so easy to manipulate, because he is so single-minded. Just cater to his needs and he will do what you wish.


Yeah... exactly. We see him being Quan Chi's little messenger/protector/enforcer the entire time in the new game. Disappointing. I'm sure that was done simply to put Scorpion on the 'winning' side. Lame lame lame. He's extremely submissive, although it's in return for something he wants, he does stupid things all the time.
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07/28/2012 01:25 AM (UTC)
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Yeah... exactly. We see him being Quan Chi's little messenger/protector/enforcer the entire time in the new game. Disappointing. I'm sure that was done simply to put Scorpion on the 'winning' side. Lame lame lame. He's extremely submissive, although it's in return for something he wants, he does stupid things all the time.


Yea how could I forget Qua Chi's quote "restrain Scorpion!!!!" But still. He was smart enough to play by Quan's rules and that paid off just ask Bi-Hantongue.
Do you think Quan Chi controlled the ninja after the truth got out. I remember somebody getting his testicles toasted. He was just using the 'tools' that he had to meet his needs. Raiden couldn't or wasn't going to help him out of the neatherrealm. No one ecept the brotherhood of shadow. And disobedience would result in a trip back to home, hell, square #1.

His loyalty to Quan Chi after Bi-Han's death is questionable tho, l might add...confused
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07/28/2012 01:30 AM (UTC)
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Yeah... exactly. We see him being Quan Chi's little messenger/protector/enforcer the entire time in the new game. Disappointing. I'm sure that was done simply to put Scorpion on the 'winning' side. Lame lame lame. He's extremely submissive, although it's in return for something he wants, he does stupid things all the time.


That's a proper contribution to the extent of Quan Chi's power (dark arts/ necromancy). I wouldn't count that against Scorpion.
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07/28/2012 01:31 AM (UTC)
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corayfor Wrote:
Yea how could I forget Qua Chi's quote "restrain Scorpion!!!!" But still. He was smart enough to play by Quan's rules and that paid off just ask Bi-Hantongue.
Do you think Quan Chi controlled the ninja after the truth got out. I remember somebody getting his testicles toasted. He was just using the 'tools' that he had to meet his needs. Raiden couldn't or wasn't going to help him out of the neatherrealm. No one ecept the brotherhood of shadow. And disobedience would result in a trip back to home, hell, square #1.

His loyalty to Quan Chi after Bi-Han's death is questionable tho, l might add...confused


But that's the thing. Bi-Han did NOT kill Scorpion's clan and family. That was Quan Chi, all to get Scorpion to do his bidding. It did not benefit Scorpion at all to kill Bi-Han. He could have obtained so much more if he had listened to Raiden, but because Quan Chi pushed a few buttons, Scorpion was back to do what Quan Chi wanted him to do.

And how do you know Raiden wouldn't help Scorpion? You have nothing to back up that arguement.
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07/28/2012 01:35 AM (UTC)
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I have always seen Scorpion as a means to an end. All he wants to do is avenge his family and clan so he can rest in peace.

But because of Quan Chi's manipulation, Scorpion goes after the wrong guy. I'm really hoping that in MK10 Scorpion stomps Quan Chi's ass.
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07/28/2012 01:44 AM (UTC)
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Are you guys kidding? Scorpion is monickered "The Vengeful Ninja Spectre". Revenge is his thing. I love being able to play as somebody who suits me- loyal, insane, and loves his vengeance! Just really look at how Scorpion has grown over the years- not at all. Scorpion has had the same mindset throughout every game- get revenge. Not like Raiden who has been seen as ultimately loyal (MK1- MKDA), an "I-Don't-Care" character (MKD-MKA), perfectly wise (MKVDCU), and freakishly stupid (MK9), among other characters. He has always been the same character, with no need to change.
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07/28/2012 01:51 AM (UTC)
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legoslayer10 Wrote:with no need to change.


XD
Lords, your post really made me laugh. That's funny shit right there.
But cool, if you like monotone, single-minded, one-tracked characters, then fair enough. I just prefer something a little more advanced than that.
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07/28/2012 02:23 AM (UTC)
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@JR MK Mythologies and MK9. Raiden only has jurisdiction over earthrealm. His request to bring back the shira ryu would have been futile.I mean the elder gods cared less about Earthrealm's desperation during the invasion. What makes you think they would give a shit about a ninja whom was sent by his clan, Shira ryu, to steal a sacred scroll which revealed the location to an infamous artifact, which was guarded by minor gods, that belonged to a fallen elder God. Scorpion and Bi-Han blindly earned their 1st class ticket to hell for interfering with Gods and Elder Gods' business. I bet they were pissed to see Bi-Han make it so far. Hell he even defeated the minor Gods whom the Elder Gods sent to protect the amulet. And people wonder why his skin tone is pitch black and his name changed to something evil-like. He earned it.
in a nutshell, dont upset the elder gods.furious
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07/28/2012 02:27 AM (UTC)
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@ corayfor:

The Elder Gods were willing to do these things for Scorpion in MKD. They even made him their Champion, even with all that crap he had done in the past. You can doubt if they would do it or not, but you cannot predict it.
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07/28/2012 02:37 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
legoslayer10 Wrote:with no need to change.


XD
Lords, your post really made me laugh. That's funny shit right there.
But cool, if you like monotone, single-minded, one-tracked characters, then fair enough. I just prefer something a little more advanced than that.
I just enjoy him because his personality never had to change (in my eyes). He never changes who he is, if I'm playing as Kabal, it's rare, as he is a renegade criminal in one game, and a cop in another. How's that work? I don't like it when characers just have other personalities in other games. I don't want somebody totally monotone, but Scorpion's the best there is to what I want in character personality.
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07/28/2012 02:45 AM (UTC)
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KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:
I have always seen Scorpion as a means to an end. All he wants to do is avenge his family and clan so he can rest in peace.

But because of Quan Chi's manipulation, Scorpion goes after the wrong guy. I'm really hoping that in MK10 Scorpion stomps Quan Chi's ass.


AYE! Quan Chi is long over due for a Toasty fatality. I do enjoy how Quan Chi manages to slip away from Scorpion LMAO. Like the cheap shot that knocked Scorpion into the dead pool and when Scorpion CLAIMED he found a secret passage into Shang Stung's palace and tried to sneak in, only finding out that he was in the onis' dorfen. Got his ass kicked and tossed away into a soulnado. both of those scenes were a WAA WAAAA WAAAAAAAAAA momentgringringringringrin

@JR the argument was that raiden, not the elder Gods, couldn't or wouldn't help scorpion out of the neatherrealm. By that time he was able to leave(Again thanks to quan chi for leaving the portal open during his escape).
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07/28/2012 02:55 AM (UTC)
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mintpuff Wrote:
Yeah... exactly. We see him being Quan Chi's little messenger/protector/enforcer the entire time in the new game. Disappointing. I'm sure that was done simply to put Scorpion on the 'winning' side. Lame lame lame. He's extremely submissive, although it's in return for something he wants, he does stupid things all the time.


That's a proper contribution to the extent of Quan Chi's power (dark arts/ necromancy). I wouldn't count that against Scorpion.


I found it questionable whether it was Quan Chi's necromancy or Scorpion's will. I believe it might be a mixture of both.
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07/28/2012 03:23 AM (UTC)
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@JR the argument was that raiden, not the elder Gods, couldn't or wouldn't help scorpion out of the neatherrealm. By that time he was able to leave(Again thanks to quan chi for leaving the portal open during his escape).


And you have yet to prove to me that Raiden wouldn't help Scorpion. You said it was because the Elder Gods didn't care, right? You're the one who took the Elder Gods into the discussion. Also, Raiden said he would talk with the Elder Gods about resurrecting his family and clan, he never promised it would happen.
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07/28/2012 04:13 AM (UTC)
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Are you guys kidding? Scorpion is monickered "The Vengeful Ninja Spectre". Revenge is his thing. I love being able to play as somebody who suits me- loyal, insane, and loves his vengeance! Just really look at how Scorpion has grown over the years- not at all. Scorpion has had the same mindset throughout every game- get revenge. Not like Raiden who has been seen as ultimately loyal (MK1- MKDA), an "I-Don't-Care" character (MKD-MKA), perfectly wise (MKVDCU), and freakishly stupid (MK9), among other characters. He has always been the same character, with no need to change.


Yeah, 'cause living an enternity with a pointless cause is much better than growing the hell up.

Scorpion is a whinny ass bitter bastard who refuses to acknowledge that his and his family's fates have been sealed, and no amount of killing will change that.

For the little bit of time after Raiden spoke with Scorpion, when Scorpion decided to turn a new leaf and seek peace instead of vengeance, I started to like him again. But for some reason NRS just doesn't want him to grow.

The crazy thing is, with all the hoopla over "My family is gone! WAAAAAAAAAAAH!", he could've just asked Quan Chi to bring back his wife and son, and get on with his life. But no, Scorpion apparently doesn't need to change.

What mess.
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07/28/2012 04:16 AM (UTC)
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@JR I gave you plenty of proof wdy meanconfused
Why should raiden help Hanzo. I brought the elder gods into the discussion to back up my proof. Since Raiden, Shao Kahn, Jerrod, and all of those beneath them answer only to the elder gods. If they damned Scorpion then what gives Raiden the say so to get him out

Quan Chi wouldn't be able to do so had it not been for the amulet, which truly belongs to Shinnock who is a fallen Elder God. I takes the power of an Elder to do such a thing, and this power can be distributed in many ways EX: minor gods, artifacts, or champions.

Tell me how and why would Raiden help Scorpion out of hell as of now. I'm not dwelling on the past nor the future since one is altered and therefore making the other unpredictable...
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07/28/2012 04:42 AM (UTC)
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legoslayer10 Wrote:
Are you guys kidding? Scorpion is monickered "The Vengeful Ninja Spectre". Revenge is his thing. I love being able to play as somebody who suits me- loyal, insane, and loves his vengeance! Just really look at how Scorpion has grown over the years- not at all. Scorpion has had the same mindset throughout every game- get revenge. Not like Raiden who has been seen as ultimately loyal (MK1- MKDA), an "I-Don't-Care" character (MKD-MKA), perfectly wise (MKVDCU), and freakishly stupid (MK9), among other characters. He has always been the same character, with no need to change.


Yeah, 'cause living an enternity with a pointless cause is much better than growing the hell up.

Scorpion is a whinny ass bitter bastard who refuses to acknowledge that his and his family's fates have been sealed, and no amount of killing will change that.

For the little bit of time after Raiden spoke with Scorpion, when Scorpion decided to turn a new leaf and seek peace instead of vengeance, I started to like him again. But for some reason NRS just doesn't want him to grow.

The crazy thing is, with all the hoopla over "My family is gone! WAAAAAAAAAAAH!", he could've just asked Quan Chi to bring back his wife and son, and get on with his life. But no, Scorpion apparently doesn't need to change.

What mess.
I'll gladly give you that one- Scorpion has always had the worst attitude toward his life/afterlife, but his personality never changed. And I like the "I'll kill you for my family and clan" thing, it's been something I've enjoyed for a while, it feels like it directs towards me- vengeful. It's not something I can, want to, or will help.
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07/28/2012 04:42 AM (UTC)
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I gave you plenty of proof wdy meanconfused
Why should raiden help Hanzo. I brought the elder gods into the discussion to back up my proof. Since Raiden, Shao Kahn, Jerrod, and all of those beneath them answer only to the elder gods. If they damned Scorpion then what gives Raiden the say so to get him out

Quan Chi wouldn't be able to do so had it not been for the amulet, which truly belongs to Shinnock who is a fallen Elder God. I takes the power of an Elder to do such a thing, and this power can be distributed in many ways EX: minor gods, artifacts, or champions.

Tell me how and why would Raiden help Scorpion out of hell as of now. I'm not dwelling on the past nor the future since one is altered and therefore making the other unpredictable...


There's no proof. Only statements.
Raiden offered Scorpion to talk to the Elder Gods about resurrecting his family and clan, but as I mentioned in the above post, he never promised Scorpion that it would happen. He could never guarantee their resurrection and he never gave such promise. However, what you say is that Raiden won't even try, and you say this without anything to back up your claims. And now you say Raiden doesn't have the power to resurrect, that Quan Chi was only able to resurrect Scorpion because of the amulet... but I have never said Raiden could do so, nor was that what Raiden said to Scorpion, so I am not sure why you are trying to twist that into the discussion.

We don't know if the Elder Gods would resurrect Scorpion's family and clan. If it were, I'm sure Scorpion would have to do something to redeem himself and prove his worth before they would do such a thing, however, when all comes to all, we don't know.

The Elder Gods didn't damn Scorpion. Scorpion becoming what he is was not the Elder Gods' fault. That's Quan Chi's fault. So I am not sure what you are trying to say with that either.

It sounds like you either have misunderstood alot of the lore about Scorpion and MK, or you are deliberately making stuff up.

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I'll gladly give you that one- Scorpion has always had the worst attitude toward his life/afterlife, but his personality never changed. And I like the "I'll kill you for my family and clan" thing, it's been something I've enjoyed for a while, it feels like it directs towards me- vengeful. It's not something I can, want to, or will help.


If what you're saying is that you are as vengeful as Scorpion, then you should be locked up in a cell with pink rubber walls while wearing a white strap-jacket.

Also, comparing yourself to Scorpion? That's the worst character you could compare yourself to. Even if you had lost your family to some murderer, there are lots of other characters you would be better off aspiring to be like.
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07/28/2012 04:56 AM (UTC)
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mintpuff Wrote:
Yeah... exactly. We see him being Quan Chi's little messenger/protector/enforcer the entire time in the new game. Disappointing. I'm sure that was done simply to put Scorpion on the 'winning' side. Lame lame lame. He's extremely submissive, although it's in return for something he wants, he does stupid things all the time.


That's a proper contribution to the extent of Quan Chi's power (dark arts/ necromancy). I wouldn't count that against Scorpion.


I found it questionable whether it was Quan Chi's necromancy or Scorpion's will. I believe it might be a mixture of both.


Scorpion's sheer will is revenge. Quan Chi controls the physical (and I would argue mental, on a case by case basis) aspect of dead things. Scorpion is a dead thing.

Anytime Scorpion is stopped (Quan Chi) or manipulated (Raiden), it would have to come from a greater force than revenge. Raiden's pure force is divinity. Quan Chi's pure force is necromancy, or dark arts, or "evil".

I don't think there's anything questionable about Scorpions behavior anymore. I actually think they fixed how senseless alot of Scorpion's past actions and the motivation for them have been in the past...

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Yeah, 'cause living an enternity with a pointless cause is much better than growing the hell up.

Scorpion is a whinny ass bitter bastard who refuses to acknowledge that his and his family's fates have been sealed, and no amount of killing will change that.

For the little bit of time after Raiden spoke with Scorpion, when Scorpion decided to turn a new leaf and seek peace instead of vengeance, I started to like him again. But for some reason NRS just doesn't want him to grow.

The crazy thing is, with all the hoopla over "My family is gone! WAAAAAAAAAAAH!", he could've just asked Quan Chi to bring back his wife and son, and get on with his life. But no, Scorpion apparently doesn't need to change.

What mess.


You don't think that's the point?

Vengeance doesn't grow....it festers. The tragedy of Scorpion is that he died with that vengeance and so, that's the only motive now as a spectre he was re-born with. He is stuck there, eternally....that's Scorpion's hell.
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07/28/2012 05:04 AM (UTC)
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legoslayer10 Wrote:
Riyakou Wrote:


Yeah, 'cause living an enternity with a pointless cause is much better than growing the hell up.

Scorpion is a whinny ass bitter bastard who refuses to acknowledge that his and his family's fates have been sealed, and no amount of killing will change that.

For the little bit of time after Raiden spoke with Scorpion, when Scorpion decided to turn a new leaf and seek peace instead of vengeance, I started to like him again. But for some reason NRS just doesn't want him to grow.

The crazy thing is, with all the hoopla over "My family is gone! WAAAAAAAAAAAH!", he could've just asked Quan Chi to bring back his wife and son, and get on with his life. But no, Scorpion apparently doesn't need to change.

What mess.
I'll gladly give you that one- Scorpion has always had the worst attitude toward his life/afterlife, but his personality never changed. And I like the "I'll kill you for my family and clan" thing, it's been something I've enjoyed for a while, it feels like it directs towards me- vengeful. It's not something I can, want to, or will help.


And you don't see anything wrong with the fact that after 20 years of wanting revenge, it hasn't gotten him anywhere, literally?

You haven't noticed that his thirst for vengeance has only led to more pain and misery?

And you identify this with yourself?

Are you really okay with this?

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