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07/27/2012 03:36 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Scorpion is an overall suckish character. Sub-Zero has substance and is an interesting character.
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I think it's more like Scorpion is the clear creator pet and no one likes those types of characters.
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07/27/2012 04:56 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Scorpion is an overall suckish character. Sub-Zero has substance and is an interesting character.
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I think it's more like Scorpion is the clear creator pet and no one likes those types of characters.

Jr... Seriously. Scorpion is not an overall suckin player. He lacks story development but his gameplay is always fun and generally newbie friendly. Youre entitled to your opinions and god knows you will take full advantage of that but i respectfully call you dead wrong on this one. Scorpion has been ripped off of from so many other characters its not funny. If the fact that his originality spewed forth so many movesets makes him a suckish character... then the rest of the roster is pretty miserable as well. Im not a big scorpion fan but i know Hes not in the same league as characters such as hsu hao and drahmin. But Thats just my opinion
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07/27/2012 05:07 AM (UTC)
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AJBlue Wrote:
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I think it's funny that people have accepted Subby will win. So it's fine if Sub wins but not Scorpion? Hmmmmmmm

Guess I'm done voting for the rest of this contest.

I feel the same way.


Exactly,everyone was whining that it'd just be ninjas,and that'd it'd be sub vs scorpion at the end.Well you guys whined about it,then you still vote for sub hm....


You're generalizing here. Were there people who didn't want a Sub-Zero vs. Scorpion final? Yes.

Well as you can see, there isn't going to be a Sub-Zero vs. Scorpion final. Just because some didn't want that particular pair to be matched up doesn't mean they didn't want one or the other in the "final"against someone else. You can go back several pages to see people arguing why they prefer Sub-Zero over Scorpion (in most cases). Thus, one can infer from this that those people were more likely to vote for Sub-Zero and against Scorpion.

They're all individual characters. Some have links to one another, but a vote for Sub-Zero isn't also a vote for Scorpion. I guess I just don't see what the big deal is. This is just for fun. You could do a similar poll on a number of different sites and forums and get different results for each. For those complaining, if it was "so obvious" why are you guys even participating in the "tournament?"

It's not even over yet. If Sub-Zero takes out Raiden he still has to go up against Ermac or Noob Saibot., both of whom have strong followings. Plus you can add those voters who will simply vote against Sub-Zero.


Well i also said that people whined about the end being filled with ninjas,so can you explain that?
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07/27/2012 05:21 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Scorpion is an overall suckish character. Sub-Zero has substance and is an interesting character. It has nothing to do if they are poster boys or not. At least not to me.


Ahh,not you too J-R.Why can't you guy see scorpion like i do? He's an honorable man who's entire clan and family were slaughtered.Wouldn't you want revenge after that? I think that's a reason why we scorpion fans love the character so much.Also he's always had a pretty good array of specials,and some pretty good movesets(post mk4).Just watch his story segments again and instead of thinking "lame: while watching,just try to see why he has so much rage and is revenge driven.Thank you.and.....



GET OVER HERE! furious furious furious
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07/27/2012 07:57 AM (UTC)
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b-don Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Scorpion is an overall suckish character. Sub-Zero has substance and is an interesting character. It has nothing to do if they are poster boys or not. At least not to me.


Ahh,not you too J-R.Why can't you guy see scorpion like i do? He's an honorable man who's entire clan and family were slaughtered.Wouldn't you want revenge after that? I think that's a reason why we scorpion fans love the character so much.Also he's always had a pretty good array of specials,and some pretty good movesets(post mk4).Just watch his story segments again and instead of thinking "lame: while watching,just try to see why he has so much rage and is revenge driven.Thank you.and.....



GET OVER HERE! furious furious furious


Your opinion is definitely important, but since you don't seem to understand why half of us hate Scorpion (and I'm not included in this, I actually like him), allow me to explain. :)

They don't like Scorpion because it's always the same thing with him. "REVENGE." It's really NRS trying to make him look like a badass and instead making him look like a gullible, rage-driven idiot. Yes, we understand you want revenge, Scorpion. We get it. Didn't you already kill Bi-Han though? That wasn't cool, dude. Just give up and do something else for a change.

I understand that he wants to avenge his clan but he could have wanted to do that for like, two games and then decided that he was being stupid and doing something more productive. I wouldn't want Scorpion to ally himself with good or evil, since he really should stay neutral, but it would have been nice if he had done something other than talk about his revenge and plot his revenge and kill people for revenge and be angry because revenge.

I agree that Scorpion's movesets have been pretty solid. His recent one has a combo that's easy for noobs to spam, but, all of the characters do, really. It's not actually an avoidable thing.

Also, when I watched his story segments, I wasn't impressed.

Except for one scene that I still make fun of to this day. The one before the Scorpion vs Sektor and Cyrax. That was entertaining.

I do like Scorpion though! I think, overall, he's a character that has potential to be less of an annoying moron and more of a badass. He could totally be an awesome character. I just wish that NRS would back off of him a bit. I get that he's a creator favorite, but if I was Ed Boon or someone I wouldn't push Ermac everywhere because I like him. :P

In other news, thank you a lot for the compliment Baraka407. :) I must say, I enjoy your posts as well, you're one of the most thoughtful here.

( the above is a byproduct of the fact that I suck and can't figure out how to double-quote.)
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07/27/2012 11:13 AM (UTC)
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KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:
I just find it amusing that people are ok with Sub winning but not Scorpion. They are both the poster boys, so why is it ok if Sub wins but Scorp doesn't?


SCORPION RANT INCOMING!


While both of them are poster-boys, Scorpion is still much more shoved down our throats than Sub-Zero. Here are some examples that eventually all piled up and made me sick of Scorpion:

- Mortal Kombat 4 [PC version]:

#1 You put the disk into the drive and the auto-run starts. The installation menu pops-up and in the background image you have Scorpion in the Living Forest. What? Why? Is he the main character of MK4?

#2 When you're in the main menu of the game and the game is idle, character bios start showing up. Scorpion's bio is the last one to show up. Now, I wouldn't have a problem with that, but when Goro's bio (secret character!) shows up after all the other characters' bios EXCEPT Scorpion's I do have a problem with that. What's so special about Scorpion in MK4? Why is his bio "saved" for the end, even after Goro's? Why wasn't Shinnok's bio showed last (final boss) or Goro's (secret character)?


- Mortal Kombat Shaolin Monks:

I might be wrong here, but if I remember well Scorpion is the only character in the game you actually have to kill twice before finally getting rid of him. Why? What's so special about Scorpion in Shaolin Monks? Why is he so important that you have to kill him twice when you only have to kill once everyone else, including Shao Kahn (the final boss)?


- Mortal Kombat Armageddon:

I really enjoyed the Konquest mode of this game. So, you finally reach the last level, Edenia, and you expect to meet Sindel (the queen of the realm), Kitana (princess of the realm, the most prominent character from the realm), Jade (general) or Tanya (villain from the realm). BUT NO! Guess who's waiting for you in Edenia- Scorpion! Yeeeeehaaaaa! You would have expected him in the Netherrealm or something like that, but no, all of the sudden he's in Edenia because he wants REVENGE on the Elder Gods and he wants to kill Taven (lol). Wow! He just had to be the last character you fight before Daegon (the evil brother of Taven) and Blaze (the final boss). If I remember well, he was also the final character you fought in MKSM before the (sub)boss fights, unless you decided not to skip the secret battle before you enter Kahn's arena.


- Mortal Kombat Deception, Mortal Kombat Armageddon, Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe, Mortal Kombat (2011):

In each of these games Scorpion is the default player one choice on the character select screen. Okay, okay, he's the "poster boy", fan favorite etc., but really? Why couldn't it have been Raiden as the default choice in MKvsDC and in MK(2011), after all he's the main character/protagonist in those games and he sure as hell is iconic enough to get that spot. But no, Scorpion doesn't agree!


- Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe:

Game's main menu- you see Scorpion fighting Batman even though it was Sub-Zero who was advertised as Batman's counterpart the whole time. Woooooooow! Even Sub-Zero is not good enough, you're shoving Scorpion down our throats even over Sub-Zero? Really?


- Mortal Kombat (2011):

Yet again you get Scorpion in the main menu animation. Okay, this time Sub-Zero was there too, but guess what, he got punched in the face lol. If it wasn't enough that Scorpion already defeated Sub-Zero in the Kratos reveal trailer...


- NRS logo:

Guess who? Scorpion! Again! ^_^

/ RANT



Okay, now some of these things aren't that big of a deal, but when they all pile up after a while, you can get the idea why some (like me, for example) got really sick of Scorpion. And all this was happening during the time when his character starting sinking down the ocean story-wise and really wasn't deserving of all the "extra love".

I do want to say, even with all these issues I have with the character, I still appreciate Scorpion and his "phenomena". I do think he's overall good (great) for MK, no doubt about that. But can you blame me (and others) for becoming sick of him?

I guess my feelings towards the character are bitter-sweet at this point. I still voted for him over Moloch. I voted for Noob Saibot in the 2nd round, simply because I like Noob Saibot more. I put my Scorpion sickness aside. Had he been up against some other characters that won in round 2, he might have gotten the vote from me. For example, I certainly would have voted for Scorpion over Kano, Shao Kahn, Liu Kang and Goro.

Now it could be a mistake in my perception, possibly partly influenced by the fact that I simply like Sub-Zero more, but would you guys agree that Scorpion does get a noticeably bigger part of the spotlight than Sub-Zero? When you take the overall quality of both characters, do you think he deserves it?

With all that said, I'm aware that these two are fan-favorites and thus deserve to be the poster characters more than anyone else, but I would appreciate if the gap between these two and the others was a bit smaller.


I wanted to write something else, but now I forgot... confused
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07/27/2012 11:54 AM (UTC)
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hi
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Jaded-Raven
07/27/2012 12:21 PM (UTC)
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How fun that people always try to disprove my opinion about Scorpion.
Well, it's not going to happen. Nephrite and mintpuff have some good arguements though. ^^
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07/27/2012 01:45 PM (UTC)
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@ Nephrite

I can underatand if your sick of him. I have no qualms with that at all. But I still feel Sub gets a lot of facetime too. (Except for those instances you pointed out) Pretty much everytime you see Scorpion, Sub-Zero is right next to him. Only thing is, Scorpion is usually beating Sub's ass.

Hell Sub-Zero had his own spin off title.
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07/27/2012 02:04 PM (UTC)
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b-don Wrote:
AJBlue Wrote:
b-don Wrote:
annilation Wrote:
KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:
I think it's funny that people have accepted Subby will win. So it's fine if Sub wins but not Scorpion? Hmmmmmmm

Guess I'm done voting for the rest of this contest.

I feel the same way.


Exactly,everyone was whining that it'd just be ninjas,and that'd it'd be sub vs scorpion at the end.Well you guys whined about it,then you still vote for sub hm....


You're generalizing here. Were there people who didn't want a Sub-Zero vs. Scorpion final? Yes.

Well as you can see, there isn't going to be a Sub-Zero vs. Scorpion final. Just because some didn't want that particular pair to be matched up doesn't mean they didn't want one or the other in the "final"against someone else. You can go back several pages to see people arguing why they prefer Sub-Zero over Scorpion (in most cases). Thus, one can infer from this that those people were more likely to vote for Sub-Zero and against Scorpion.

They're all individual characters. Some have links to one another, but a vote for Sub-Zero isn't also a vote for Scorpion. I guess I just don't see what the big deal is. This is just for fun. You could do a similar poll on a number of different sites and forums and get different results for each. For those complaining, if it was "so obvious" why are you guys even participating in the "tournament?"

It's not even over yet. If Sub-Zero takes out Raiden he still has to go up against Ermac or Noob Saibot., both of whom have strong followings. Plus you can add those voters who will simply vote against Sub-Zero.


Well i also said that people whined about the end being filled with ninjas,so can you explain that?


Sure, and again I'll refer you to previous pages where this was discussed at great length. There are no "ninjas" left. Scorpion was the only ninja and he was eliminated a long time ago. They're also not even pallette swaps anymore as each character has his/her own unique costume and storyline.
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07/27/2012 05:20 PM (UTC)
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hi


Hi.

anyways both characters are awesome.
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07/27/2012 05:43 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Scorpion is an overall suckish character. Sub-Zero has substance and is an interesting character. It has nothing to do if they are poster boys or not. At least not to me.


Sub's a great character with a strong story, that is very true.

Hell, he's the only character in the series who's actually gotten older.

Still, it's no fun if the same person takes home the gold every time. What's the point of a competition?
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07/27/2012 05:48 PM (UTC)
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Raiden because seniority.
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07/27/2012 05:54 PM (UTC)
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@ Nephrite

I can underatand if your sick of him. I have no qualms with that at all. But I still feel Sub gets a lot of facetime too. (Except for those instances you pointed out) Pretty much everytime you see Scorpion, Sub-Zero is right next to him. Only thing is, Scorpion is usually beating Sub's ass.

Hell Sub-Zero had his own spin off title.


True, true. I just feel like Sub-Zero isn't as forced upon us as Scorpion is in the games where neither of them play a significant role story wise. I wouldn't mind Scorpion getting his own Mythologies game, although I do confess I'd prefer some other characters to get that kind of game first (Raiden, Kitana, The Great Kung Lao or maybe even some of the villains, like Shinnok for example). However, if they do make one for Scorpion, I'd still buy it and very likely enjoy it. I wouldn't mind him having the spotlight for himself then as after all the game would be about him, so that's fine.

Also, I hope my previous message didn't come off as aggressive towards you. That wasn't my intention. I just used your post to start the rant and share some of my issues with the character hoping it would help a bit to other members who were wondering about the lack of love for Scorpion from the members of this site.

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07/27/2012 05:56 PM (UTC)
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Raiden because seniority.


Explain.

Oh and Nephrite, I didn't think you were aggressive at all. You made some very good points and I respect that.
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07/27/2012 06:10 PM (UTC)
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Nephrite Wrote:

True, true. I just feel like Sub-Zero isn't as forced upon us as Scorpion is in the games where neither of them play a significant role story wise. I wouldn't mind Scorpion getting his own Mythologies game, although I do confess I'd prefer some other characters to get that kind of game first (Raiden, Kitana, The Great Kung Lao or maybe even some of the villains, like Shinnok for example). However, if they do make one for Scorpion, I'd still buy it and very likely enjoy it. I wouldn't mind him having the spotlight for himself then as after all the game would be about him, so that's fine.


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Sub-Zero was never really forced, like Socrpion has been; I must say Subby truly earned his time in the spotlight.

However, I think it's about time that spotlight was given to someone else. This is why I approve of the possible new array of characters in MK10, in the hopes every character will be recognized and new protagonists and stars will rise.

I think Mortal Kombat is way overdue for a new generation of kombatants.
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07/27/2012 06:16 PM (UTC)
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Raiden, of course.

Sub-Zero should had been out a long time ago, along side Scorpion.

As for all the comments about people being sick of Scorpion and Sub-Zero being shoved down our throats = YES.

Both have been equally exploited and shoved down our throats in practically everything. Scorpion a bit more than Sub-Zero, but, both have become just as annoying and tiresome in this department. MK9 was the game that did this the worst, more than any other.

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07/27/2012 07:33 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero was never really forced, like Socrpion has been.
What makes you think that? I think they were both promoted equally, not that I'm having a problem with that or anything....
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07/27/2012 07:50 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero because Raiden in MK9 Story Mode.
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07/27/2012 08:39 PM (UTC)
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Wtf with the poll ? How much more time ? This is annoying!
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07/27/2012 08:43 PM (UTC)
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You know how people are kinda getting sick and tired of the topic of who's a ninja and who isn't? It's the same thing with this Scorpion topic.

People, understand that Scorpion is a liked character throughout many different users. People here could mostly care less about his story, others do and still enjoy him. You're never going to get the majority to side with you if you constantly bring up how much you dislike and voice that it's your opinion. Everyone has them but you're not going to change their minds about it.

I am indifferent when it comes to that character. I don't mind him if he's in or not. It shouldn't make a difference who is liked and not just because majority of you users don't want a "ninja" vs. "Ninja" round.

Do note that there are silent voters too.

Just accept that there are Scorpion fans. You can continue constantly bring up the topic about how much you like or dislike, but in the end, you all are going to end up getting the same results.

Now, I have to go. There's an indoor trampoline place that's calling me and my boyfriend to play on in thirty minutes... have a nice day folks. And go ice man!!!
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07/27/2012 09:18 PM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
You know how people are kinda getting sick and tired of the topic of who's a ninja and who isn't? It's the same thing with this Scorpion topic.

People, understand that Scorpion is a liked character throughout many different users. People here could mostly care less about his story, others do and still enjoy him. You're never going to get the majority to side with you if you constantly bring up how much you dislike and voice that it's your opinion. Everyone has them but you're not going to change their minds about it.

I am indifferent when it comes to that character. I don't mind him if he's in or not. It shouldn't make a difference who is liked and not just because majority of you users don't want a "ninja" vs. "Ninja" round.

Do note that there are silent voters too.

Just accept that there are Scorpion fans. You can continue constantly bring up the topic about how much you like or dislike, but in the end, you all are going to end up getting the same results.

Now, I have to go. There's an indoor trampoline place that's calling me and my boyfriend to play on in thirty minutes... have a nice day folks. And go ice man!!!


If you track back to where the discussion started, you will see that it was not a matter of liking or disliking Scorpion, but more about people's reaction between Sub-Zero and Scorpion being different. There was some people questioning why people could like and applaud Sub-Zero and not do the same to Scorpion, or the other way around, since they are both poster boys. People have then tried to explain why, that it goes deeper than just being poster boys, and so the discussion rolled on.

So you see, it is not a matter of accepting if there are Scorpion fans or that there are people who dislike him. That wasn't the topic here.
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07/27/2012 09:51 PM (UTC)
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You know what?

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks about why anyone likes or dislikes Scorpion or Sub-Zero, because Pikachu is cooler than both of them.

Checkmate.
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07/27/2012 09:58 PM (UTC)
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You know what?

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks about why anyone likes or dislikes Scorpion or Sub-Zero, because Pikachu is cooler than both of them.

Checkmate.


Another poster boy character, Riya? Cereally? *scoffs* ;P
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07/27/2012 10:41 PM (UTC)
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