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07/28/2012 05:24 AM (UTC)
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I'll gladly give you that one- Scorpion has always had the worst attitude toward his life/afterlife, but his personality never changed. And I like the "I'll kill you for my family and clan" thing, it's been something I've enjoyed for a while, it feels like it directs towards me- vengeful. It's not something I can, want to, or will help.


If what you're saying is that you are as vengeful as Scorpion, then you should be locked up in a cell with pink rubber walls while wearing a white strap-jacket.

Also, comparing yourself to Scorpion? That's the worst character you could compare yourself to. Even if you had lost your family to some murderer, there are lots of other characters you would be better off aspiring to be like.



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I'll gladly give you that one- Scorpion has always had the worst attitude toward his life/afterlife, but his personality never changed. And I like the "I'll kill you for my family and clan" thing, it's been something I've enjoyed for a while, it feels like it directs towards me- vengeful. It's not something I can, want to, or will help.


And you don't see anything wrong with the fact that after 20 years of wanting revenge, it hasn't gotten him anywhere, literally?

You haven't noticed that his thirst for vengeance has only led to more pain and misery?

And you identify this with yourself?

Are you really okay with this?



Why are we not allowing folks to identify with whatever character they want? I identify with a God character...I'm sure there's plenty you could say about Raiden, Fujin, or even Shinnok fans.

Jus' sayin'...he likes Scorpion. He gives reasons for why he likes Scorpion. So what?

(not that he needs my help arguing because he obviously doesn't but...I usually see you two guys trying to help liberate people from "suppressive" comments or behavior on this site. You're doing the exact opposite right now... You should stop that part.)
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07/28/2012 05:27 AM (UTC)
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It's not that he identifies himself with a character or that it is specifically Scorpion... it is because of the whole vengeful aspect. It worries me that someone feels that it is alright to go on a slaughtering rampage, because the feel of revenge "justifies" it. I really don't find that okay.
In a video game, in a movie, in any fictional media, it is alright though, because it creates an interesting story and aspect (when not overused and abused as much as with the case of Scorpion though)... but not in the real world.
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07/28/2012 05:38 AM (UTC)
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Oh, Elder Gods. I should've really clarified that. I just love to get back at people when they piss me off, but NOT in the Scorpion way. I am nothing near Scorpion's level, I'll just pull a prank on somebody or just do the equivalent, like if somebody wakes me up in the middle of the night for fun, I put their hand in a bowl of warm water the next night. But nobody has slain those close to me and I do NOT chase people down relentlessly in an attempt to claim vengeance for the destruction of those close to me. That's just unreal. I definately should've gotten a bit more deep with the meaning of comparing myself to Scorpion, loyal, vengeful, and always the same person. There's plenty of other ways I can compare myself to other characters, just as you all could compare yourself to a character you like. I really do enjoy how Scorpion stays the same person, it's predictable,, but he doesn't need much inner conflict crap, though he gets it. Man, I really jacked that up.
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07/28/2012 05:38 AM (UTC)
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ThePredator151 Wrote:


I'm neither judging or condemning his choice to or reasons for liking Scorpion.

However, I do have the right to state if I don't understand it, and I happen to have a genuine concern for those who - as it seems in his case - lives life with a vengeful heart, as I know from experience how terrible it can be.

I know it's none of my business whether or not he wants revenge against someone, but I can't help feeling empathetic. I'm naturally empathetic.



Legoslayer10, I hope my concern does not offend you, and I apologize if it does.
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07/28/2012 05:43 AM (UTC)
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Oh, no, it's fine, I'm unoffended, I can totally see why people would be wierded out by me comparing myself to Scorpion without proper explanation. Anyway, I actually enjoy you voicing your opinion. It's just you being yourself, you showing who you are. It doesn't offend me, it's actually quite a good thing in my eyes. i do know from my past that deep vengeance is not the road to travel, but just getting back at your friends in little prank wars, you know, the kinda "fun" kind of revenge. I really should have further explained to you all.
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07/28/2012 05:52 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
It's not that he identifies himself with a character or that it is specifically Scorpion... it is because of the whole vengeful aspect. It worries me that someone feels that it is alright to go on a slaughtering rampage, because the feel of revenge "justifies" it. I really don't find that okay.

In a video game, in a movie, in any fictional media, it is alright though, because it creates an interesting story and aspect (when not overused and abused as much as with the case of Scorpion though)... but not in the real world.


Riyakou Wrote:


I'm neither judging or condemning his choice to or reasons for liking Scorpion.

However, I do have the right to state if I don't understand it, and I happen to have a genuine concern for those who - as it seems in his case - lives life with a vengeful heart, as I know from experience how terrible it can be.

I know it's none of my business whether or not he wants revenge against someone, but I can't help feeling empathetic. I'm naturally empathetic.



Legoslayer10, I hope my concern does not offend you, and I apologize if it does.


*nods* Understood.
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07/28/2012 05:56 AM (UTC)
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Oh, no, it's fine, I'm unoffended, I can totally see why people would be wierded out by me comparing myself to Scorpion without proper explanation. Anyway, I actually enjoy you voicing your opinion. It's just you being yourself, you showing who you are. It doesn't offend me, it's actually quite a good thing in my eyes. i do know from my past that deep vengeance is not the road to travel, but just getting back at your friends in little prank wars, you know, the kinda "fun" kind of revenge. I really should have further explained to you all.


Well hey, I love a good prank as much as the next guy.

I prank my mom and little brother almost everyday, though only verbally.

As for Scorpion, I always ask myself what he would do if he had no one to seek revenge after. Would he waste away? Would he rest in peace? Would he finally grow the hell up?

I've always felt that NRS has left him this way because without vengeance he has no purpose in Mortal Kombat, which is quite sad if the same thing you've been doing for 20 years is the only thing you'll ever be good for.

However, as much as I hate Scorpion, I do have hope that he'll move on.
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07/28/2012 06:08 AM (UTC)
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Hm, Scorpion obtaining ultimate revenge...
I'd suppose it would be like in MK4, when he just says "You're free, I'm a demon, and he's gonna suffer." I'd just suppose he'd wander the Netherrealm and the other realms to just live, or whatever wraiths do.

Maybe he'd actually listen to Raiden- I don't know. It's impossible to tell withot it happening. Though, Quan Chi is alive and Scorpion could become the next big guy...

As if we need Scorpion shoved deeper down our throats. I hate the big posterboy crap. Sorry to bring that back up.
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07/28/2012 07:06 AM (UTC)
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AJBlue Wrote:
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I think it's funny that people have accepted Subby will win. So it's fine if Sub wins but not Scorpion? Hmmmmmmm

Guess I'm done voting for the rest of this contest.

I feel the same way.


Exactly,everyone was whining that it'd just be ninjas,and that'd it'd be sub vs scorpion at the end.Well you guys whined about it,then you still vote for sub hm....


You're generalizing here. Were there people who didn't want a Sub-Zero vs. Scorpion final? Yes.

Well as you can see, there isn't going to be a Sub-Zero vs. Scorpion final. Just because some didn't want that particular pair to be matched up doesn't mean they didn't want one or the other in the "final"against someone else. You can go back several pages to see people arguing why they prefer Sub-Zero over Scorpion (in most cases). Thus, one can infer from this that those people were more likely to vote for Sub-Zero and against Scorpion.

They're all individual characters. Some have links to one another, but a vote for Sub-Zero isn't also a vote for Scorpion. I guess I just don't see what the big deal is. This is just for fun. You could do a similar poll on a number of different sites and forums and get different results for each. For those complaining, if it was "so obvious" why are you guys even participating in the "tournament?"

It's not even over yet. If Sub-Zero takes out Raiden he still has to go up against Ermac or Noob Saibot., both of whom have strong followings. Plus you can add those voters who will simply vote against Sub-Zero.


Well i also said that people whined about the end being filled with ninjas,so can you explain that?


Sure, and again I'll refer you to previous pages where this was discussed at great length. There are no "ninjas" left. Scorpion was the only ninja and he was eliminated a long time ago. They're also not even pallette swaps anymore as each character has his/her own unique costume and storyline.


Sure technically they're not ninjas,but in this series they still count as ninjas.Anyway you should know what i was talking about.
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07/28/2012 07:18 AM (UTC)
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Scorpion is an overall suckish character. Sub-Zero has substance and is an interesting character. It has nothing to do if they are poster boys or not. At least not to me.


Ahh,not you too J-R.Why can't you guy see scorpion like i do? He's an honorable man who's entire clan and family were slaughtered.Wouldn't you want revenge after that? I think that's a reason why we scorpion fans love the character so much.Also he's always had a pretty good array of specials,and some pretty good movesets(post mk4).Just watch his story segments again and instead of thinking "lame: while watching,just try to see why he has so much rage and is revenge driven.Thank you.and.....



GET OVER HERE! furious furious furious


Your opinion is definitely important, but since you don't seem to understand why half of us hate Scorpion (and I'm not included in this, I actually like him), allow me to explain. :)

They don't like Scorpion because it's always the same thing with him. "REVENGE." It's really NRS trying to make him look like a badass and instead making him look like a gullible, rage-driven idiot. Yes, we understand you want revenge, Scorpion. We get it. Didn't you already kill Bi-Han though? That wasn't cool, dude. Just give up and do something else for a change.

I understand that he wants to avenge his clan but he could have wanted to do that for like, two games and then decided that he was being stupid and doing something more productive. I wouldn't want Scorpion to ally himself with good or evil, since he really should stay neutral, but it would have been nice if he had done something other than talk about his revenge and plot his revenge and kill people for revenge and be angry because revenge.

I agree that Scorpion's movesets have been pretty solid. His recent one has a combo that's easy for noobs to spam, but, all of the characters do, really. It's not actually an avoidable thing.

Also, when I watched his story segments, I wasn't impressed.

Except for one scene that I still make fun of to this day. The one before the Scorpion vs Sektor and Cyrax. That was entertaining.

I do like Scorpion though! I think, overall, he's a character that has potential to be less of an annoying moron and more of a badass. He could totally be an awesome character. I just wish that NRS would back off of him a bit. I get that he's a creator favorite, but if I was Ed Boon or someone I wouldn't push Ermac everywhere because I like him. :P

In other news, thank you a lot for the compliment Baraka407. :) I must say, I enjoy your posts as well, you're one of the most thoughtful here.

( the above is a byproduct of the fact that I suck and can't figure out how to double-quote.)


He was also trying to avenge the murder of his wife and child. Sad thing is the guys that wrote for mortal kombat legacy understand the character better than nrs do at this point.Well they know how to show another side of him,at least.If you forgo the so-so interpretation of sub-zero in the scorpion sub-zero episodes then you'll see what scorpion's all about really.There's been more story exposure for Sub-Zero because of his lone game which(and please correct me if i'm wrong) shows what he was doing before mk1,which i think help fans love him more.The most(and only) things that come close to that is the sub/scorpion episodes of legacy.Kevin Tancharoen should help Nrs with the scorpion story segments of their(inevitable) mk sequel.
Oh and if you haven't seen legacies it's great(mostly) you can watch all the episodes on youtube. PS. i'm no sub-zero hater.
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07/28/2012 09:43 AM (UTC)
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After twenty years of Mortal Kombat, we ask the definitive question: Who is the Supreme Mortal Kombat Champion? Four intense rounds have whittled away challengers from three decades, bringing us to the Semi Finals and the final step before we name our Supreme Champion!

Ermac, damned souls enslaved under the dark magic of Shao Kahn! Noob Saibot, the fallen Lin Kuei assassin turned wraith by the Netherrealm! Only one of these titans of the series can progress. Now you must decide - who is worthy?

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07/28/2012 10:48 AM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:

After twenty years of Mortal Kombat, we ask the definitive question: Who is the Supreme Mortal Kombat Champion? Four intense rounds have whittled away challengers from three decades, bringing us to the Semi Finals and the final step before we name our Supreme Champion!

Ermac, damned souls enslaved under the dark magic of Shao Kahn! Raiden, the fallen Lin Kuei assassin turned wraith by the Netherrealm! Only one of these titans of the series can progress. Now you must decide - who is worthy?



Just a little heads up...Raiden is Noob, It should read Noob Saibot, The fallen Lin Kuei...

MOD EDIT: Mistake fixed, thanks! smile
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07/28/2012 11:07 AM (UTC)
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Just like it was the case with Kung Lao, once again Noob Saibot (a character just outside of my Top 10) meets a character that is in my Top 10. So, my vote goes to Errrrrrrrrrrrrrmac!
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07/28/2012 12:17 PM (UTC)
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Shall I be a rebel and vote for Ermac?

YES!
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07/28/2012 12:28 PM (UTC)
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Ermac because superiority.
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07/28/2012 01:11 PM (UTC)
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Scorpion is a tragic guy who is living in a wide awake nightmare. His only release is through vengeance, but his lust for revenge only adds to his agony and personal anguish. It adds to the tragedy. That's why I like Scorpion, because I can truly sympathize with a guy who despite his best efforts, only makes things worse.
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07/28/2012 01:25 PM (UTC)
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My God... Sub-Zero, Ermac, and Noob Saibot.

All three are my favorites

Voting for my avatar of course.
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07/28/2012 01:37 PM (UTC)
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Only thing I'll contribute to the Scorpion discussion at this point is that I was very, very surprised that Raiden nearly managed to convince him to spare Bi-Han's life in 2011. We knew what to expect from Scropion during this time period, but to have his whole drive shaken like that was a little unprecedented. I think it shows that NRS are aware of the complaints over Scorpion's one-dimensional nature, and are trying to show us he doesn't just see red all the time.

I'm disappointed that anti-votes contributed so much to his early loss because I think he's honestly a decent charater, even if he's over-exposed. I expect good things from him next time.

Going for Ermac this time through. His new potential background and showcasing as a powerhouse in Story give him an edge over Noob who, while awesome as usual, didn't get up to too much.
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07/28/2012 01:42 PM (UTC)
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Looks like I'm not voting in this. i will not vote fo r any ninja-cloaked character. But...
Ermac really isn't one of these so-called ninja characters anymore, he isn't even dressed like one. He's more like a sorcerer, maybe even as to go as far as wraith-like. So I will vote. Against the character who defeated Kung Lao! Noob-you will not get my vote, wraith. Ermac FTW!
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07/28/2012 01:47 PM (UTC)
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Bi-Han is one of the only people in this tournament who can beat his annoying brother...let's go Noob!

Also, just perusing through the last page of this, it cracks me up when I see people talking about these characters as if they're real people. Scorpion has not been seeking revenge for "20 years" and it has not gotten him nowhere. The games have a floating timeline for one. And for two, that defines his character. Everyone in MK is an archetype.

Also, I don't think the people who say all he does is try to get revenge left and right actually payed any attention to MK9's story. He GOT his revenge on Bi-Han early on and then stepped out. The only other times we see him after that is

A: when Kuai Liang, looking for revenge himself (!) picks a fight with HIM and

B: when he's playing bouncer for Quan Chi when Raiden comes calling.

That's it.

Also, are people really downplaying Scorpion's thirst for revenge as if the bad guys don't deserve it?? Even if he was willing to overlook his own murder (NBD right?), he lost his WIFE, young SON and entire clan. It's not as if this all started because Scorpion and Sub-Zero bumped into each other in the street one day and Zero scuffed his shoes or something here. To hear some of you guys tell it, Scorpion should just get over it and he has nothing to be really mad about.
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07/28/2012 01:58 PM (UTC)
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Even if he was willing to overlook his own murder (NBD right?), he lost his WIFE, young SON and entire clan...
get over it and he has nothing to be really mad about.
Nothing to be mad about? If somebody massacred everybody close to you, would you be angry or just sit around on the couch and say "well, now what do I do?" I would be pretty angry if somebody killed my family and friends, and wouldn't want their killer to just get off clean. It's just a little odd to hear that Scorpion has nothing to be angry about. He was lead to believe Sub-Zero killed his family and clan by Quan Chi, then he got angry at Quan Chi for decieving him and the latter. I'd be pretty pissed after that stuff happened to me.
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07/28/2012 02:07 PM (UTC)
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You know how people are kinda getting sick and tired of the topic of who's a ninja and who isn't? It's the same thing with this Scorpion topic.

People, understand that Scorpion is a liked character throughout many different users. People here could mostly care less about his story, others do and still enjoy him. You're never going to get the majority to side with you if you constantly bring up how much you dislike and voice that it's your opinion. Everyone has them but you're not going to change their minds about it.

I am indifferent when it comes to that character. I don't mind him if he's in or not. It shouldn't make a difference who is liked and not just because majority of you users don't want a "ninja" vs. "Ninja" round.

Do note that there are silent voters too.

Just accept that there are Scorpion fans. You can continue constantly bring up the topic about how much you like or dislike, but in the end, you all are going to end up getting the same results.

Now, I have to go. There's an indoor trampoline place that's calling me and my boyfriend to play on in thirty minutes... have a nice day folks. And go ice man!!!


If you track back to where the discussion started, you will see that it was not a matter of liking or disliking Scorpion, but more about people's reaction between Sub-Zero and Scorpion being different. There was some people questioning why people could like and applaud Sub-Zero and not do the same to Scorpion, or the other way around, since they are both poster boys. People have then tried to explain why, that it goes deeper than just being poster boys, and so the discussion rolled on.

So you see, it is not a matter of accepting if there are Scorpion fans or that there are people who dislike him. That wasn't the topic here.


I don't really care if that wasn't the topic. It always suddenly peeks through during a conversation about him and guess what... it did.

I'm voting for Noob.


My vote goes to Noob.
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07/28/2012 02:14 PM (UTC)
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Even if he was willing to overlook his own murder (NBD right?), he lost his WIFE, young SON and entire clan...
get over it and he has nothing to be really mad about.
Nothing to be mad about? If somebody massacred everybody close to you, would you be angry or just sit around on the couch and say "well, now what do I do?" I would be pretty angry if somebody killed my family and friends, and wouldn't want their killer to just get off clean. It's just a little odd to hear that Scorpion has nothing to be angry about. He was lead to believe Sub-Zero killed his family and clan by Quan Chi, then he got angry at Quan Chi for decieving him and the latter. I'd be pretty pissed after that stuff happened to me.


Might I suggest you re-read what Shadow Preacher wrote. You're essentially saying the same thing.
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07/28/2012 02:19 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven, it really doesn't "go deeper" than them both being poster boys, much as you would love to spin it.

I don't care who likes who, everyone has their own opinion and should like and dislike whoever they want. It's the reasons for dislike I take issue with. And the fact is this:

If someone dislikes Scorpion explicitly because he is popular or shoved down our throats, or even say, actively campaigns against him? Constantly? And then turns around and votes for Sub-Zero,who is equally popular and shoved down our throats? Then that person is being a hypocrite. But hey if you're cool with being a hypocrite, more power to you.

And spare me the whole "but but REVENGE....character development....it's different...but but". No. If your reason for Scorp dislike is his popularity? Hypocrite.
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07/28/2012 03:08 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven, it really doesn't "go deeper" than them both being poster boys, much as you would love to spin it.

I don't care who likes who, everyone has their own opinion and should like and dislike whoever they want. It's the reasons for dislike I take issue with. And the fact is this:

If someone dislikes Scorpion explicitly because he is popular or shoved down our throats, or even say, actively campaigns against him? Constantly? And then turns around and votes for Sub-Zero,who is equally popular and shoved down our throats? Then that person is being a hypocrite. But hey if you're cool with being a hypocrite, more power to you.

And spare me the whole "but but REVENGE....character development....it's different...but but". No. If your reason for Scorp dislike is his popularity? Hypocrite.


Well, that's not MY reason for disliking him. Scorpion's popularity doesn't bother me, just like Sub-Zero's popularity doesn't bother me. And Nephrite has already explained how much more Scorpion is "shoved down our throats" than Sub-Zero, so if people dislike Scorpion more because of that, I understand. That's not my issue with him though. I don't expect for you to WANT to understand that, because if you can find some way to call people personal names by ignoring their arguements, then you usually seize it. I guess it can't be helped.

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Anyways, I am voting for Ermac. ^^
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