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Ermac Combos:

Choy Lay Fut, ground:
1,u1 .. CS 1,3, .. Teleslam .. CS 1,1,2 .. Telethrow 41%
1,u1 (miss first hit) .. CS 1,3,4 .. Teleslam .. CS 1,1,2 .. Telethrow 45%

Choy Lay Fut, ground+air:
1,u1 .. 1,1 .. Teleslam .. jump , 1,1,2 .. CS 1,1,3,4 33%
maybe you can air cancel here to go on....

Axe, ground:
u2 .. 1,3,4 .. Teleslam .. CS 1,1,2 .. Telethrow 45%
d2 .. Teleslam .. 1,3 .. Teleslam+CS .. 112 .. Telethrow 49%
(posted the last one earlier)

Axe, ground+air:
u2 .. 1,3,4 .. Teleslam .. jump .. 1,1,3,4 37%
u2 .. 1,3,4 .. Teleslam .. CS, jump, 1,1,2 .. CS 1,1,3,4 -- is this possible?
if so, ground cancel can be done as well...

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Kenshi Wins-Fatality!

 •11/06/2006 08:12 PM (UTC) •
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Versatile Wrote:
"Anyway, does anyone have any tips on how to use Shang Tsung?"

Yeah, pick him and lose. He's by far the worst character in the game and lacks any kind of tools that would help him win series vs anybody.

He makes MKD Kira look good. It's a shame, one of the cooler MK characters done so badly for his possible last game.


I do see how Shang can be so bad, but what's with people like Konqrr and rayrokka saying that Shang is good? I don't understand. So that's why I'm asking about him.

If he truly is the worst, would you say that he's even worse than Kai and Shujinko?



Anyone who says Shang is the worst in the game is on drugs. Hes not high tier obviously but he is good. I can rack up i spose a 38-42% combo sometimes not to mention that his teleport is one of if not the best teleport in the game
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Kenshi Wins-Fatality!

 •11/06/2006 08:14 PM (UTC) •
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does anyone agree with me when i say that Kenshi has been FUCKED OVER in this game yet again
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 •11/06/2006 08:30 PM (UTC) •
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Experimenting with Sub-Zero:
Shotokan - 3, b+2 (juggles) 1, 1, 3, CS - 26% Damage
Shotokan - b+2 (juggles) 1, 1, 3, CS - 27% Damage
Shotokan - 1, 2, b+2, (juggles) 1, 1, 3, CS - 29% Damage
Kori Blade - b+2, b+2 (juggles) 1, b+1 - 25% Damage

Just noticed that if you setup by using Subbies Freeze, it takes away some of the damage from the combo's
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 •11/06/2006 08:42 PM (UTC) •
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skysantosh -

Both of your posts are just untrue.

Shang has nothing.

Combos are just a tiny bit of how a character is rated.

For the most part, he has no mid juggles, and his throw sucks.

Give me a list of his best moves, see if you can find one.


Kenshi on the other hand is top 20.


With all due respect, online top players knows this stuff..... Don't judge by playing with friends / cpu.
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 •11/06/2006 08:53 PM (UTC) •
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Sky, you don't know what you are talking about. Shang is trash, and Kenshi is top 20 at the very least.
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 •11/06/2006 08:58 PM (UTC) •
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HJS,

The Scorpion combo 2,3,u+4, 2,3,cs - 30%, if you setup with spear first, that would add an additional 5% damage

Hapkido - b,f+1, 2, 3, u+4, 2, 3, CS - 35%
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Kenshi Wins-Fatality!

 •11/06/2006 09:01 PM (UTC) •
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Seriously! Kenshi is good im not doubting that, BUT, it seems to me as if hes been gettin worse since DA, he was best then, anyway moving on...

Shang isnt trash! i dont know much about mids and stuff but i do know that hes pretty good when i use him online. I understand what ur saying tho, i dont reeli understand this stuff much anyway, u know the mids and things.

But u cant argue that shangs teleport is good tho!
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Kenshi Wins-Fatality!

 •11/06/2006 09:03 PM (UTC) •
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Kenshi's ma fav character anyway and i still open a can of whoop ass online with him using the old U+2 in katana and then some tele slams along the way...

Is ermac better than kenshi in the game according to u guys?
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 •11/06/2006 09:05 PM (UTC) •
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skysantosh Wrote:
Seriously! Kenshi is good im not doubting that, BUT, it seems to me as if hes been gettin worse since DA, he was best then, anyway moving on...

Shang isnt trash! i dont know much about mids and stuff but i do know that hes pretty good when i use him online. I understand what ur saying tho, i dont reeli understand this stuff much anyway, u know the mids and things.

But u cant argue that shangs teleport is good tho!


Shang's Tsung Teleport is a good move but it requires some space to apply it.
And the moment you see Shang running toward, you know its time to duck and block.
Also, Shang is vulnerable during his dash toward you, so any attack that connects before Shang even teleports causes Shang to take a beating.

Shang's only decent special is the soul steal, and perhaps the best mid he has is b+4, but ive not tested if its mid, though i believe it is. I dont think its a safe one either.

Not sure about back + 3 either if its a mid or not
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Kenshi Wins-Fatality!

 •11/06/2006 09:08 PM (UTC) •
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his telport is a bit slowish i spose......surely hes not as bad as kai tho....surely?
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Kenshi Wins-Fatality!

 •11/06/2006 09:10 PM (UTC) •
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i dnt know why it double posted, ignore this
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 •11/06/2006 09:16 PM (UTC) •
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have no idea - from what i heard about Kai - he maybe the worst character in the game.
Shang's 4 in Snake is good, but the only thing with it is the fact that we cant follow up
His teleport attack is not overly slow, it can catch ppl out when they least expect it. the key is it use it now and again as opposed to abusing it.
I'm not sure if anyone has experimented with Shangs Weapon style, that maybe Shangs saving grace i dunno.
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 •11/06/2006 09:21 PM (UTC) •
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Just tested Shang Tsungs Snake out.
He only has 2 mids in Snake:

B+4 is mid.
4 is a Mid also.

B+3 is a high

I reckon his best combo is 2, B+4, mix that up with 1, 1, 2, b+4, and play around with soul steal, that could be a decent strat for him, if you can call that one. d+4 is a good low
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 •11/06/2006 10:40 PM (UTC) •
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i think onaga is the cheapest. in the right hands (or in anyone hands for that matter) you cant even get near him.

all you can home for is projectles. and thats a lucky shot, lol.
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 •11/07/2006 12:10 AM (UTC) •
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skysantosh Wrote:
does anyone agree with me when i say that Kenshi has been FUCKED OVER in this game yet again


As HJS and Vers have already pointed out to you, in the right hands Kenshi is a demon!

When Checks' video comes out you will see (I know he's got over 70% with Kenshi)

Plus if your opponent is out of breakers you can easily take away half his energy bar with one combo! So NO I don't agree with youwink
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 •11/07/2006 12:13 AM (UTC) •
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nindz Wrote:
Experimenting with Sub-Zero:
Shotokan - 3, b+2 (juggles) 1, 1, 3, CS - 26% Damage
Shotokan - b+2 (juggles) 1, 1, 3, CS - 27% Damage
Shotokan - 1, 2, b+2, (juggles) 1, 1, 3, CS - 29% Damage
Kori Blade - b+2, b+2 (juggles) 1, b+1 - 25% Damage

Just noticed that if you setup by using Subbies Freeze, it takes away some of the damage from the combo's


Hey nindz. Good to see ya around here.

About Sub-Zero's Freeze, it's some weird error. While the damage read is lower, it seems to me that the actual damage on the bar is still the same.
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 •11/07/2006 12:20 AM (UTC) •
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Funny glitch,

If you try to break Sub Zero's throw you will break but you'll stay frozen.
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 •11/07/2006 12:25 AM (UTC) •
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Hey nindz. Good to see ya around here.

About Sub-Zero's Freeze, it's some weird error. While the damage read is lower, it seems to me that the actual damage on the bar is still the same.


I'm thinking is this the same with Sektor's flame on as well?
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 •11/07/2006 12:26 AM (UTC) •
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Funny glitch,

If you try to break Sub Zero's throw you will break but you'll stay frozen.


Wow...wow

Anyway, what makes Kenshi one of the top 20 characters, iyo?
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 •11/07/2006 02:23 AM (UTC) •
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Sky, I agree with you about Kenshi.He was a beast in MK:DA and then toned down in MK:D and in MK:A.He's still not bad, he's just not nearly as powerful as he used to be.Not to mention losing the powerup....


BTW, since not a lot of people know but Jarek and Fujin are very good characters.Jarek is a top tier in the right hands, I've taken down Sareenas, Mavados and Noobs online.The other top tiers.

Trust me, he's good for those of you who think he sucks.I believe he's top 10 no doubt.

And he's got that 55% that I posted a few pages back among a few OTG's with the TS and FT's of Ermac's Axe since it's the same style just called Kickaxe.

From a far, Fujin and Jarek are gods if you know how to use them.

BTW, does anyone else here feel that it's messed up for Quan-Chi to steal your weapon the whole round from you? lol I played this one guy once when I was Ermac... lol man it sucked not having my Axe, but I still won fortunately with Choy Lay Fut.Not easily though...


Although, I can see this useful against Scorpion sword whores who make love to F+1.
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just wanted to say, very nice find raymond... youve helped make this combo video even better...

its going to be delayed now for a few days till i get one wall one midscreen for everyone using this.

but congratulations on cracking the games biggest secret to the biggest combos.

note: i use 11cs4 twice on first pop up, anything after that is only once. 2 reps, 3 at most with wall, not trying to get too crazy here

peace, excellent work

now the game has over 100 infs, sad
True man, but nobody does them or attempts them dude.Well, at least not on xbox and trust me there's those losers who infinite, pull and mod.People just avoid them that's all.But majority don't even try it. And a lot of this stuff is fortunately escapable and only as you said some work online, others not.Lag is also an issue lets not forget....I think the air kombat is overrated personally in this game, I hardly even do "fancy" combos when I play online and I do very well without that.I do...do combos but I don't spend a good amount of time in the air combos.My view.
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 •11/07/2006 02:56 AM (UTC) •
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Doesn't Jarek's Dragon style suck? Last I checked it has NO mids whatsoever. Everything is either high or low. Does his axe style *really* make him that good?

His lasso special seems slow as crap also. How are you guys even hitting people with it?
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Kenshi Wins-Fatality!

 •11/07/2006 08:12 AM (UTC) •
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Lasso Special is NOT CRAP! It along with fujins tornado i believe, increase damage for any combo done after it. Jareks ground pound thing is also really good. Its quite fast and can catch u out.
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 •11/07/2006 08:30 AM (UTC) •
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Quan Inf In Corner

BroadSwords

114, throw, 114, throw...

juggling 114 off throw and 4 is a free throw, so there.

2 more days and the vid should be done, just did the last combo tonight. just gonna run thru everyone again and then start capping everything

again, HUGE THANKS to raymond for finding that CS glitch, cant thank you enough for that, love it grin

peace
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 •11/07/2006 08:31 AM (UTC) •
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mkflegend Wrote:
Sky, I agree with you about Kenshi.He was a beast in MK:DA and then toned down in MK:D and in MK:A.He's still not bad, he's just not nearly as powerful as he used to be.Not to mention losing the powerup....


BTW, since not a lot of people know but Jarek and Fujin are very good characters.Jarek is a top tier in the right hands, I've taken down Sareenas, Mavados and Noobs online.The other top tiers.

Trust me, he's good for those of you who think he sucks.I believe he's top 10 no doubt.

And he's got that 55% that I posted a few pages back among a few OTG's with the TS and FT's of Ermac's Axe since it's the same style just called Kickaxe.

From a far, Fujin and Jarek are gods if you know how to use them.

BTW, does anyone else here feel that it's messed up for Quan-Chi to steal your weapon the whole round from you? lol I played this one guy once when I was Ermac... lol man it sucked not having my Axe, but I still won fortunately with Choy Lay Fut.Not easily though...


Although, I can see this useful against Scorpion sword whores who make love to F+1.

Check Wrote:
just wanted to say, very nice find raymond... youve helped make this combo video even better...

its going to be delayed now for a few days till i get one wall one midscreen for everyone using this.

but congratulations on cracking the games biggest secret to the biggest combos.

note: i use 11cs4 twice on first pop up, anything after that is only once. 2 reps, 3 at most with wall, not trying to get too crazy here

peace, excellent work

now the game has over 100 infs, sad


True man, but nobody does them or attempts them dude.Well, at least not on xbox and trust me there's those losers who infinite, pull and mod.People just avoid them that's all.But majority don't even try it.

And a lot of this stuff is fortunately escapable and only as you said some work online, others not.Lag is also an issue lets not forget....I think the air kombat is overrated personally in this game, I hardly even do "fancy" combos when I play online and I do very well without that.I do...do combos but I don't spend a good amount of time in the air combos.My view.


infinites suck :(. i asked a question reguarding infinite combos during fight night, but it didnt get answered. i guess they only answer questions about quan chi and his amulet.

oh, and air kombat is overrated. i only use it around 10% of the time (thats excluding jumpkicks of course, lol)
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