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09/06/2006 03:53 AM (UTC)
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Nice!

Yeah, Subzerothe7th yeah man, me too.Cyrax HAS to get it back now that I'm thinking about it for a few reasons.

One, Darrius is getting back that kick move that Cyrax originally had, that means Cyrax isn't getting back that move again.It would be dumb for two characters to literally share the same exact move.

I'm guessing Cyrax get either A.teleport back or B.his Net, the net is more logical obviously but hey perhap's he'll get back both?

We'll see, I'll play with him regardless if he's the low tier again lol in a MK game I'll be disappointed but will still play him as much as my other favs.

Anyway, skaven I agree man.This game looks like the UMK3 of the 3D world of MK, know what I mean?

More balanced, better gameplay, faster gameplay, crossovers are back and will play a role, pokes to play a big time role, all of these defensive elements added will add LOTS of mind games and longer matches for sure then before lol.

This game is going to own IMO.grin

Hey, Malone hehe I'll be looking forward to taking on your Mileena with parries now lol, looks like I'll have to play you even more defensive then before.

BTW, I don't know why but I'm liking Chameleon a bit.His weapon plays similar to Kenshi's in MK:DA, did you guys see some of the same moves as I did?

Anyway, another KEY element that I haven't really seen much talk about here is this.

Have you guys noticed that there's NO MORE CROWDING AFTER A ROUND?!?!?!?

Meaning, when one guy beats the other guy and he's near him he backpedals before the round begins.

This is AWESOME! Midway that was good thinking seriously because I hated starting a round 2 or 3 with my opponent right next to me, lets see throw or 50/50?
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09/06/2006 07:10 AM (UTC)
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To tgrant: Like I've said before, I would've liked her with both Tong Bei and Yuan Yang. I mean, she really doesn't need those Daggers of hers, especially since they seem to be crap anyway.


I can't believe Kira has Yuan Yang. Give it to Frost, please! sad I wouldn't mind her losing the daggers and having both Tong Bei and Yuan Yang. The combos would probbaly be more powerful for it.

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tgrant, i really dont remember MKDA too well, i do remember she was one of my earliy weaknesses but i was able to conquer, same as shang. i would imagine both not being any different, but from what i saw, she looks good, not in a fighting sense, in a broken sense. but if she is any different than she was in MKDA, she will be a walk in the park tongue no offense.
she had a freeze ball too, correct? but as m2dave said, if her freeze puddle works any way like bos puke ( tough to sidestep at close range ), well, dave is the master of the puke and he can destroy my dairou with that move alone., her slide is the last thing im worried about. espicially when it comes to blocking.


Friost never had a Freeze Ball. It was said why on Konquest. She just had the Ground freeeze and the Slide.

I was like you as well. she was a pain to fight when starting out on DA but it became a walk in the park beating her once you got used to her tactics.

She'll be good no doubt.
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09/06/2006 12:50 PM (UTC)
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She's didn't have ice because she couldn't concentrate her power to that level yet, right?

Anyway, throw breaks will be fine, but since every char only has one throw you can expect this shit to be defensive beyond believe: not even throws are guaranteed if one high blocks anymore.

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09/06/2006 03:00 PM (UTC)
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lol hi scorpio - it is a long time no see :)

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Nindz worte:i think shang tsung has a very safe throw
I am not too sure sometimes in DA some weird thing happen that id escape the throw but likely not to happen in armageddon.
Btw, that kitana vs mileena video had some sick shit in it kitana does like a 10 hit combo in the airgrin


shang actually does this throw 3 times, all with the same results.
its not weird, the actually distance him from his enemy after the throw, which i suppose is one benefit, considering they stopped him from having crane

i agree with versatiles post on page 3 about subzero being a defensive character, he will definetly be high tier - i will look forward to playing as him
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09/06/2006 03:08 PM (UTC)
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I'm really hoping they don't "copy and paste" Ashrah like what they pretty much did to the rest of the Deception characters.

I think they should give her new moves. And I hope they FIX HER THROW! That throw was ridiculous.

Since Kitana has Ba Gua, Ashrah will probably have Chao Jiao and The Kriss as her styles.

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09/06/2006 04:36 PM (UTC)
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In one of the vids Ashrah had Chao Jiao, but they never showed her second stance. It very well may be Kriss, but I could understand if they took it out and replaced it with something else, storywise.
Ash will probably have an overhead toss. That seems to be what is replacing a lot of the juggle throws.
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09/06/2006 06:30 PM (UTC)
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Subzero2: Um, I already posted that video....

mkflegend: Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if some characters share the same moves (e.g. Raiden and Shujinko with the Torpedo, Sub-Zero and Chameleon with the Cold Shoulder). I would like to see Cyrax with BOTH his Energy Net and Teleport back. I still plan on playing as Cyrax, though I'm still going to be disappointed with him having "Ninjitsu".

Anyway, yeah, this does look like it's going to turn out to be the UMK3 of the 3D MK games.

tgrant: Yeah, I can't believe it either, but then again, things are definitely not finalized in terms of styles.

seltzer3: Yeah, Ashrah's throw was way too good and should be fixed or given a new throw. Btw, her style is Chuojiao. wink
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09/06/2006 09:49 PM (UTC)
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The gameplay will be better, now with the new breaker, (forgot what its called) and the ariel kombat. And ITS 64 CHARACTERS WITH HUNDREDS OF KOMBOS!!! Cant wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow
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09/06/2006 10:24 PM (UTC)
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any one else notice that that character video at ign that multiple characters had hapkido scorpion taven etc.

i also noticed that frost, nitara and daegon all had FJP.

scorpion and sindel had Zha chaun.

tanya and sareena had Yue chaun.

there were others also.

i know its wishful thinking but im hoping that we are allowed to choose between 3-4 fighting styles for our 2 fighting styles on the select screen.

we can choose to have 2 hand styles or one hand (one of 2 or 3) one weapon style or 2 weapon styles.

again i know its wishful thinking but one canhope that sindel and kitana could still have the choice of using Eagle claw and FJpai.




Skaven13~one of your posts i think you mentioned this game having the feel of the 2d ones. i feel the same way to me it feels like MK2 meets MKD smash them together and you get MKA w/ a few new elements.
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09/06/2006 11:20 PM (UTC)
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danadbab Wrote:
any one else notice that that character video at ign that multiple characters had hapkido scorpion taven etc.

i also noticed that frost, nitara and daegon all had FJP.

scorpion and sindel had Zha chaun.

tanya and sareena had Yue chaun.

there were others also.

i know its wishful thinking but im hoping that we are allowed to choose between 3-4 fighting styles for our 2 fighting styles on the select screen.

we can choose to have 2 hand styles or one hand (one of 2 or 3) one weapon style or 2 weapon styles.

again i know its wishful thinking but one canhope that sindel and kitana could still have the choice of using Eagle claw and FJpai.




Skaven13~one of your posts i think you mentioned this game having the feel of the 2d ones. i feel the same way to me it feels like MK2 meets MKD smash them together and you get MKA w/ a few new elements.


Eh, even if that were to happen, I think that'd be too messy.

I wish Jade would have Fu Jow Pai, and not because I think it fits her either...
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seltzer3
09/07/2006 12:42 AM (UTC)
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Some notes.

-Ashrah's upward projectile...seems slightly faster.
-Tanya has the Tonfa (huh?) as her weapon.
-Hotaru has this charged up fist move.
-Kung Lao's hat throw looks pretty fast as well.
-Meat has this head rolling projectile. He takes off his head and rolls it at his opponent. It goes really fast.
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09/07/2006 12:57 AM (UTC)
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seltzer3 Wrote:
Some notes.

-Ashrah's upward projectile...seems slightly faster.
-Tanya has the Tonfa (huh?) as her weapon.
-Hotaru has this charged up fist move.
-Kung Lao's hat throw looks pretty fast as well.


Tanya has the Tonfa like Jax does? Wtf?

It's one thing for two characters to share the same weapon style with almost to all of the same moves and combos, but three?? Bleh...

Charged up fist move for Hotaru?

Glad to hear Kung Lao's hat throw is faster...
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09/07/2006 02:33 AM (UTC)
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Subzero2: Um, I already posted that video....


Sorry, didnt see it. But the reason I posted it was different then yours. I was showing how the Ice Clone hasn't changed and you were showing how the Icy pillar is blockable wink
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09/07/2006 06:33 AM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
seltzer3 Wrote:
Some notes.

-Ashrah's upward projectile...seems slightly faster.
-Tanya has the Tonfa (huh?) as her weapon.
-Hotaru has this charged up fist move.
-Kung Lao's hat throw looks pretty fast as well.


Tanya has the Tonfa like Jax does? Wtf?

It's one thing for two characters to share the same weapon style with almost to all of the same moves and combos, but three?? Bleh...

Charged up fist move for Hotaru?

Glad to hear Kung Lao's hat throw is faster...


Yeah, Tanya as Tonfa.

And that charged up fist move - Hotaru's hand glows and he charages at the opponent (think similar to Kobra's burning fist). When it connects, the opponent goes forward, and Hotaru slides backwards.
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09/07/2006 02:02 PM (UTC)
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well, i think the ign vids, and the latest ones from the midway boards are a little dated compared with the ones from the german convention.

anyone else think the counterhit light should be taken out? kinda pointless to have, since you arent actually rewarded for a counter hit.
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09/07/2006 04:01 PM (UTC)
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K some new info from the vids.

Kung Lao -

The dude will be crazy.

Shaolin Fist was one of the best styles in MKD.

d+1 f+1 1,4 / 1,4,4 is all you need.

He also has Broadsword.

The big news about him is that b+3 (the 2 lows spinning moves) juggles!!!

He also has a chain combo into b+3 1,2,4,cs


Can you imagine the mix ups between f+1 and SF and b+3??? Kung looks good...........

His hat is still fairly slow compared to other projectile.

With a good throw and good specials Kung will be high tier.

Bo Rai Cho -

He kept his throw. It was good in MKD with glitches, if glitches have been fixed it will be ok.......

btw, it's still looks like he recovers before the opponent landed and you can f+3 and it will hit him. I reaaly hope Midway don't fuck this up.

Chameleon has Jade's MKD throw, Deagon has FJP, this was a great style in MKD.

Aerial Kombat -

wow, they said theres a special block in the air, I wonder if you can just block or we'll get a new feature.........


If there are no glitches, MKA will fucking rock.

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09/07/2006 07:07 PM (UTC)
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What do you mean by b+3 with Kung Lao? What move are you referring to?

I bet KL is gonna be great.
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09/07/2006 08:12 PM (UTC)
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Lao will own! That is all! tongue
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09/07/2006 08:29 PM (UTC)
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hjs-Q Wrote:
K some new info from the vids.

Kung Lao -

The dude will be crazy.

Shaolin Fist was one of the best styles in MKD.

d+1 f+1 1,4 / 1,4,4 is all you need.

He also has Broadsword.

The big news about him is that b+3 (the 2 lows spinning moves) juggles!!!

He also has a chain combo into b+3 1,2,4,cs


Can you imagine the mix ups between f+1 and SF and b+3??? Kung looks good...........

His hat is still fairly slow compared to other projectile.

With a good throw and good specials Kung will be high tier.

Bo Rai Cho -

He kept his throw. It was good in MKD with glitches, if glitches have been fixed it will be ok.......

btw, it's still looks like he recovers before the opponent landed and you can f+3 and it will hit him. I reaaly hope Midway don't fuck this up.

Chameleon has Jade's MKD throw, Deagon has FJP, this was a great style in MKD.

Aerial Kombat -

wow, they said theres a special block in the air, I wonder if you can just block or we'll get a new feature.........


If there are no glitches, MKA will fucking rock.



I am by no means a high level MK player, but I understand the high level mechanics of fighting games (Tekken and DOA primarily). Are safe moves just a non-issue in MK? Or is it just that the computer can punish things that normal humans can't?

The reason I ask is because it doesn't look like any of the attacks you've listed that would potentially make Kung Lao top tier are safe. I'm referring to f+1 from both styles, b+3 from Broadswords and 1,4 / 1,4,4 from SF. Were they safe in MKD because they don't look safe in MKA as far as I can tell.
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09/07/2006 09:03 PM (UTC)
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versatile b3 he is referring to is like dairous b3 in weapon, kung lao also has this in mkd with a codebreaker to play as him

to dan and skaven talking about the 2d feel, this is very true and one important thing to note is....

QUICK UPPERCUTS ARE IN THE GAME!!!!!! something that made mkt fun as all hell and had properties

at the end of the first ign vid, taven catches daegon in the air with a anti air uppercut that looked juggleable ( lol ) afterwards.

if thats true, forget it, in air will be rape, and this will be an important factor to mka just as it was in the 2d games, only without the combo afterwards ( except in mkt tongue ) MASTER YOUR UPPERCUTS! ; )

to players who have mkd and action replay or gameshark, let us know if kung laos b3 hit high or hit low, i will ask my friend when he signs back on later. he looks good, but not that different than anyone else

i also like the idea of both players jumping up in the air together and starting a combo in the air, but who will get the priority first? depending on move, or depending who does it first? in mk3 in went hk > lp, lp >lk, etc ( i think ) i bring this up because it reminds me of running in and doing a combo in mk3 and seeing who will get it first!! another 2d trademark ( unless ur a throw whore, which nobody likes)

all in all, i gotta say, i dont think mka will be that good, 2 things in mka will be
1) KAK
2) MOTOR KOMBAT

just my 2, carry on
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09/07/2006 10:57 PM (UTC)
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ill make a vid and show you guys what HJ is talking about.

check~yea you can combo after a uppercut, this is old news. ed boon said it in a interview a long time ago. your right uppercuts will be useful in MKA unlike MKD's uppercuts.
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09/07/2006 11:06 PM (UTC)
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Yeah, I knew Kung Lao was going to own due to Shaolin Fist, but I had no idea the Broadsword would be very good too. I hope they'll give him his Teleport, Whirlwind Spin, and Dive Kick. He better have F + 1 and D + 1 from the MKD version of Shaolin Fist or I'm gonna be pissed off.
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09/07/2006 11:46 PM (UTC)
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ill make a vid and show you guys what HJ is talking about.


I don't know if this was directed at me or not, but I'm very well aware of what he's talking about. My question is more about the attacks being safe than anything else. If the attacks mentioned are not safe, then would Kung Lao still be considered top tier based on these facts?
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09/08/2006 12:03 AM (UTC)
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kung laos weapon in MKD

the video shows kung w/ his weapon doing the b+3 attack. the weapon looks different but its the same thing.

B+3 hits HIGH. it doesnt hit mid or low, even if your just crotching low it wont hit.

this is good cause that would just make him a bit to good. right now hes just a decent character nothing to get all hyped up about.

so simma down boys, im a kung lao fan too.

the weapon is almost like Dairous but the B+3 works different for each guy. theres another attack that dairous has that kungs doesnt but i forget.

f+3 hits mid like Dairous.

DrDogg Wrote:
danadbab Wrote:
ill make a vid and show you guys what HJ is talking about.


I don't know if this was directed at me or not, but I'm very well aware of what he's talking about. My question is more about the attacks being safe than anything else. If the attacks mentioned are not safe, then would Kung Lao still be considered top tier based on these facts?
Your not the only one posting in this thread wink
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09/08/2006 01:55 AM (UTC)
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I agree with slimjim Slim you are one smert fuck


















Damn Ho, bitch came out of nowhere!!???!
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