I never said it did, all I said is those are the reasons DA and Deception are my favorite MK games. And this topic isn't about gameplay anyway, so what's your point?

Anyway...Goro.

I like the Shokan race, but I hate Goro. His design is bland, his moves have gotten stale, and his character is too inconsistent, the way he constantly flip-flops between good and evil. He should've stayed dead and Kintaro should've been in Deception instead.

Point taken.

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Did I mention I like Sheeva? Sheeva's boss.

When did this 'constant flip-flopping' occur? He was a bad guy up to Deadly Alliance, a game he wasn't even in, and in fact "died" before the events of. Once he was brought back he was bad again, but for vague reasons. Being a good guy once, in a thing you barely appear in is hardly constant.

And yes, Goro needs to come back. He's one of the series' most iconic characters (certainly on a par with the ninjas) and the gold standard for "monsters" in fighting games.

He's a completely willing henchman of Shang and Kahn in 1, suddenly turns into a Klingon-like honorable warrior and makes peace with Kung Lao and Kitana at the end of 4, tells honor to fuck off and joins forces with Kahn again in Deception.

Over four appearances in the series, he changed allegiance twice in a row. Going from evil to good or good to evil is character development. Changing back again, especially that fast, is goddamn flip-flopping.
Why ya gotta keep arguing with me, man? You ain't won one yet.

So shifting allegiences to suit your own purposes is flip-flopping? It's not changing sides, it's doing what's most advantageous for yourself. As of MK4, Kahn's lost three for three. You can go down with the ship, or jump off. Goro jumped off. I would question his loyality toward any of the rulers or factions he's been associated with.

The end of Deception / ramp up to Armageddon is still a bit of a mess, so I'm willing to cut my losses with that until something concrete comes along (like never).

By the by, I keep arguing with you 'cause you keep saying things I disagree with. So far as not having "won one" yet is concerned, I have no problem conceding that you know more about a fighting game storyline than I do. Congratulations, you are truly the king of Mortal Kombat trivia and minutiae.

i am shaking my head again reading this stuff...it seems like there are one or two people on this site that clearly start trouble and i think they need to tone it down and show some respect to the thread posters before they get closed. there is an IM feature ya know.

anyways...welcome back icey. hope your V-day was good. shall i get on topic here

Goro...i really want him to stay but i think maybe there should be maybe a new younger shokan brought in to the mix. as much as i like goro i think he needs a gimmick or he needs to go.

Goro is exhausted as far as the storyline goes. It made a kind of cute sense to bring him back for MK4, as Liu Kang is not the king to kill his opponent, and defeating Goro in MK1 would have shamed him just enough to make sure we never saw Goro again. I also liked how in MK4, it seemed like he wasn't even connected to Shinnok, but was just a sub-boss on his own mission -- kill Liu Kang.

Being killed by Noob Saibot in the going-ons between MK4 and Deadly Alliance would have been fine. Kintaro would have fit the nostalgic feel of Deception a lot better. That character never really got the chance that Goro did.

I just can't see Goro being effective as a playable character, nor do I see the point in bringing him back as the sub-boss for a third time. Let Goro die, but don't neccessarily ditch the Shokan. It would be interesting to see the power vacuum, or a new Shokan character show up -- not neccessarily a regal one. I mean, we've seen human/dragon; human/tiger; what other kind of Shokan blends are there? Human/spider? That could be...interesting.

i have thought about that spider idea myself^^
i think a spider mix for a Shokan would be neat but i was also thinking maybe a Skokan crossed with a Tarkatan or if you want to stick to animalistic features maybe make a more hairy Shokan that looks like hes crossed with a gorilla and make him enormous. MK has always looked towards movies for ideas and King Kong came to my mind as something iconic to mix a large Shokan character with.

I think Goro is best as an unplayable boss.
Like Icebaby said he has lost his scaryness.
I liked the idea of him being a really tough guy that would destroy you in seconds but its not like that any more.
He looks how he should look IMO. Should maybe lose the Sai tho.

I say STAY but only as an unplayable boss/sub-boss.

I know I came of a bit off-topic. I just find it a bit odd you would like MKDA-MKD soley on the storyline, and presentation. I normally dont think of this too much when playing a fighting game. I play MK games for the gameplay, which I thought lacked badly in MKDA-MKA.

But whatever....carry on with the thread.

Part of my reason for why goro should stay is that he should be a playable character. We only got to play him once in MKA and that didn't do him justice. The next MK should have a lot of the old fighters and should be back to basics. There have only been a few times in MK were you could play as a big guy. Most fighting games have one or two big guys that play a lot differently than anybody else. So why not have Goro be playable?This would make room for a new sub-boss, and it would add a new layer of gameplay, and what better way to do it than with an icon.

uhh i say no. im tired of shao kahn and goro. i want new bosses. and make them regular people instead of big giant monsters. goro is an icon so let him take a LONG rest before bringing him or somone like him back into the series. i believe icons should never be killed off all the way thats why.

I once had a thought that maybe the different Shokan ethnicities should follow the Chinese Zodiac since Dragon (Goro/Sheeva), Tiger (Kintaro), and Horse (the Centaurs) are all on there. But upon review of the animals available, the only one that'd be any good in a fight is Ox, just give a Shokan giant horns, or maybe Dog if you went for kind of a werewolf look.

I've also wanted to see a human/spider type character, but I don't think it would fit as a Shokan, they're all very tall and bulky and spiders are small, thin, agile creatures. It'd have to be either a female like Sheeva or a new race altogether.
I imagine, since spider legs are covered in tiny spikes, you'd end up with something that looks like more horrific Tarkatan covered in black fuzz. And with extra arms, of course. Maybe the creature could be one of Shang's cloning/crossbreeding experiments, escaped from the Flesh Pits.

Goro should stay as a hard sub-boss or otherwise Motaro should be that sub-boss and have Goro not be in the next game.

Only the ox, are you kidding? Clearly you've never lived on a farm! A humanoid rooster sub-boss would totally fuck you up, and it'd be AWESOME.

Agreed. Considering all the parallels between MKII and Deception, Kintaro should have been the gamecube bonus character, not Goro.

Though I'm not sure if agree that Goro can't be an effective playable character. I guess it just depends what you mean, but if Namco can balance Astaroth in Soul Calibur, I think there's hope for Goro.

Hey, birds are the raptors of the modern world, after all.

I do NOT want to in any way glorify or condone cockfighting, but just to provide an example of what I'm talking about, imagine fighting one of these that was not only your size but BIGGER than you:



If boss battles aren't annoying enough now, imagine getting beat by a badass chicken over and over again.

Wasn't there a goro discussion going on here?

This is relevant to the Goro discussion. We're talking about potential other breeds of Shokan 'cause the big G is boring and his race needs better representatives. Apparently Cyan greatly favors the idea of a giant four-armed chicken-man.

Of course. Under discussion is one of Goro's eleven theoretical half-cousins, aren't you paying attention?

Sorry for the tangent, carry on.

Hey, you gotta admit, a four-armed chicken god might be a lot of things, but boring isn't one of them! Goro could learn a thing or two.

As far as Goro relatives are concerned, it's not like they really HAVE to look at all like the animal. Does goro look like a cross between a human and a dragon? No, he looks like a cross between a four armed claymation figure and Tong Po from Kickboxer.

To make a half man/half chicken shokan, all you'd have to do is give a guy a short red mohawk and black tribal looking feathers tattooed on his arms and back and that's about it.

At least that sound a helluva lot more plausible than a giant goro with a beak and big wings coming out of his back. Oh that just sounds horrible lol.

Havik: This is a hard decision for me. I don't like how he looks, and I don't know where they could take his story. I don't really like how there is so many realms so I really don't care about anything involving chaosrealm.
However, I like his character, and I like his moves so if they give him a new design then I say STAY.