Sub-Zero hasn't look Chinese since his Mortal Kombat 2 ending.

And he's not a Mary Stu.

Marty Sue.

Nah, the importance of the characters and story varies from person to person. It's safe to say that a lot of people value it more than you do. My favorite character before I got into the story was Cyrax because of his look and net move (during MK3), but when I got into the story and learned that Liu Kang was the hero he became my favorite and I learned to used him, and now he's my main.

Obviously Kuai Liang fans care a lot about him as a character. If I didn't care about the story I'd probably be with you on this, but when I think back on all that Kuai has done as a character and all the potential he has, I agree with the Kuai Liang fans.

I was jokingly correcting him, not saying he was one.

The proper term is Gary Stu for male characters. Not that it matters.

Thats pretty much what ive been trying to say, some of us really care for the story, and love the character. Then you have people just for sake of being dicks label you as a fanboy or whatever else for liking a character. Anyway i am excited to have more stuff revealed about the game within the months to come.

Believe, what you want Su....hm, that not about one you like.

Anyway, let me explain something simple to you: I am not against people having favorite characters. I have my favorite characters too. But, I am against people being whiny joykills about it. You like Sub-Zero? OK, but there is no need to make some sort of crazy cult about it, making angry topics, when there is not much to be angry about (just yet), going into other threads and turn them into wet blankets, with your tears about how you "subby-wubby" (disgusting) is supposedly mistreated once more.
Keep it to yourself or at least be moderate about your...favorite character. Everyone will benefit from it. Passion is good in moderation and when its not being spilled on the others in enormous quantities. Then its annoying.


Yeah, I wouldn't give it much thought, knowing NRS talents in modelling faces. Besides, Kuai Liang is still chinese, according to MK9, so how does this work is anyone guess. But whatever...I've seen people belived in more unprovable stuff.
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I explained why I don't share this view in precise detail above. If everything you can say about it is just plain denial, without arguments, I don't think I can count it as a valuable piece of information.
With the same amount of confidence I can say that sun is green.

See, what I don't understand is that most people don't flood other topics with Sub-Zero shit. It STAYS in the discussion at hand. Like this thread. It's a thread about worrying over Sub-Zero's storyline. So, naturally, the discussion will have fans discussing Sub-Zero.

So, then you come in and bitch about Sub-Zero fans being mad, which is so dumb. I mean just stay out of the thread, simple enough?

However, nearly every Sub-Zero thread you have to show up. You DON'T have to. You do every time though. Every time.

Several people have pointed out you're a borderline troll. I really have no idea why nobody has taken notice of you.

At this point, I'm honestly curious to see what NRS will come up regarding Sub.

Think of it this way - after MK9, the only way for him to go is up, really.

Sub-Zero would probably be my favorite character, wasn't it for the fact that Ed Boon chooses this one as his second lovechild, millions of others like him too much, he often gets too much attention and there are like 10.000 versions of him already, one being a cyborg, one being an older brother, and another being a female...

Still waiting for a Sub-God, Sub-Shokan and Sub-Boss...


Sub-Zero is a victim of overusedelness, a curious disease that made me like him less than I otherwise would.

he was by far my favorite in MK 1...

Because people like, yourself included, did it back in MK9, when almost every thread about characters, storyline and, sometimes, something else, turned into "Sub-Zero's depressed fans club". And this nearly happened again now.
All I am doing is trying to convince people to be more openminded and keep their emotions, regarding fictional characters, in check.


Considering how other people act around here sometimes, I am not very noticeable person by any margin.

Well i agree maybe i take it overboard sometimes, like Ive told you before i just care for the character, the game, and the story for personal reasons. If i went overboard it's not with the intention of pissing anyone off believe me.

But when you do post something or reply, it is usually to piss on others though. You've done that to me several times, for example. It would be nice if you tried to be nice to people and added something to the discussion instead of only responding to people you disagree with and piss all over their posts and opinions. It would make you a more pleasant person to discuss with and then you wouldn't get into these feuds with other people who from then on starts to consider you a troll and aren't going to consider anything you have to say as worth anything.

We're all part of the community here. Me, you, and all the others on this forum. We all have a right to be here and we all share the same passion and interest in Mortal Kombat. It is why we're here! And personally, I'd love to lead a good conversation with you and share your thoughts and opinions without getting insulted by you, because you disagree with me.

Mutual respect. Can we do that?

Nope, it wasn't every story discussion. There were several discussions back then discussing Sub-Zero/Cyber Sub-Zero. You showed your face in all of them. Even cyber sub hate threads you would jump in and you like him. So, no it wasn't us hijacking EVERY thread. It's YOU hijacking EVERY Sub-Zero thread. That's why I say you don't have to enter the thread.

I don't have to explain anything because he's not a Mary Sue. Sub-Zero isn't perfect, he has flaws. Mary Sues are like that, they can over come every single obstacle just like that, and no Sub-Zero is no where near that. Yeah, he's gotten stronger, whoopty do, it was explained HOW and WHY his powers got stronger. They evolved, it's clear as glass on how noticeable that is in the series. If he was a Mary Sue, he'd be the Champion of Mortal Kombat in every single game. Mary Sues also are unoriginal, uninspiring, completely bland... Except, Sub-Zero has been the most developed character, has the most things happen to him whether or not people think it's interesting to see what they've put him through.

Not to mention, if he was a Mary Sue, he wouldn't have gotten himself transformed into a cyborg and got killed by a punch in the head.

Thus, he's not. I'm assuming you're going to have some ignorant response seeing how every post you've made in this thread has gotten some one pissed off at you. Don't reply unless you can actually, for once, be nice for a change. Am I asking too much here?

Ive actually tried having a somewhat normal convo with him, hes changed his tone slightly, but i agree Sub is by no means a marry he never was king of the world or fell ass backwards into power hes earned, and learned about his history.

Ice baby i have wanted to ask you this for a long time now, are you a Frost fan? i know its off topic, but i have always wondered.

What is this, reddit?

Even though Sumac's posts rustle my jimmies on occasion, they never really cross the line into outright trolling, and this is coming from a card-carrying member of "Sub-Zero's depressed fans club", as he puts it.

Hell, and even assuming they do, it's fine with me, because I actually enjoy having my opinion challenged. Which would be impossible if this place was a fucking emotional hugbox.

No, but you can get your point across without being an asshole. You don't have to go from one extreme to another, there's a middle ground.

It's basically in the rules of this forum:

Who is Mary Sue?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue

I get it now. Thanks

Or just see any GI Joe fanfic that has an OC and Snake Eyes immediately having the hots for each other.

Well, I have ignorant arguments, I hope its OK with you?

Mary Sues are not neccessarily should adhere to all of the usual traits. In case of Sub-Zero he was becoming more and more powerful, but...even if it was explained it was never part of the main story. So in the end, Sub-Zero was getting more powerful, just because. There was no use of his powers in the story, it was not related to the core plot, his development and upgrades all were in vain.

So, what we have in the end? A good natured character, with unchallenged views, an ideal hero, getting upgrades for no reason, other than becoming more powerful, without actual role in the core story arc...sounds a bit like wish-fulfillment.

If Sub-Zero was actually used somehow in the stories of MKDA-MKD, other than existing somewhere, I would have another opinion, of course.

Even Scorpion, who usually receives a lot flac for his one-dimensional character, had more relation to the core story and his upgrade was actually part of it.

Man guys, I have to say this worries me that it's Bi-Han. Watch this video.

Whoever this Sub-Zero is call Scorpion "Shirai Ryu Scum". Definitely not Kuai Liang like.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AfjsjphU7y8