At the end of the day, does it really matter who Sub-Zero is?

You all get on the game to fight, right? Whoever this Sub-Zero is, will you not use him just because he is Bi-Han and not Kuai, or vise-versa? ..I highly doubt that. They all fight the same in the end, at least he is in the game. Some people characters will never return, and probably, their special attributes won't be passed on to new characters either.

Just wait for the game to come out to see who the hell it really is.

My post got completely ignored. XD
I'll try again:

It does matter, it matters alot, especially for those of us who love the story of MK. It's not just another fighter, i for one love mk for it's mythos, and story (even tho they fucked up mk 9 and have so many issues the story has a lot of potential)

Did you read the whole thing?

It also says that Cyber-Sub (Kuai Liang) was re-transformed back to his human form.

Yes, and like I said before, that whole last part reads more like an assumption on their part, that Kuai Lang somehow returned from the dead.

I didn't even see this post. But very good points. I was like "at least your character is always in" at first but then I kind of understood where they're coming from.

on a side note World BOX FINALLY released him, had it pre-ordered since last October. http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/hydro21188/WOB10005.jpg

can't wait for him to arrive. not sure how to make the link appear in my message, but you can copy it and check it out.

Ooooh, awesome! :D

I was excited walking after work on friday the 13th no less :P, and got an email hes arrived, got him on the spot. Cost a pretty penny too $150 bucks.

Sorry if somebody posted this already but there's a theory about Shao Kahn being in Sub-zeros body. Check out this video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYDyzfrAjnA#t=59

Skip to 0:59 and look at Sub-zeros winning pose

people think hes shao kahn now too.. really?

Ya I don't think NRS would go that far but it is an interesting theory

Interesting as in.... stupid? Then yes; it is VERY fucking interesting.

Lol something like that. My opinion is that the sub-zero is Kuai Lang. I don't know how they are going to do it but they should find a way to get him back into his body

I already posted the Shao Kahn theory. If you watch maximillion's review part 2 you can see it looks much more like his cryo-armor.

Also if you see it from the front it just looks like Ice. Nothing more nothing less.

Well yeah, I am one for the story as well. However, the game is going through a lot of changes, from altering pre-existing characters to getting new characters to new mechanics. Shouldn't we be open for change? If we are open-minded to the new characters and the new things that they are slinging our way, shouldn't we be open-minded to the possibility of a new Sub-Zero or Bi-Han transferring back to Sub-Zero? It's just another factor to the overall change that they are trying to bring to this new game (although a rather bad one).

Everyone is changing and altering that's been in the series before, at least that's what they are making it seem like. They are all aging and through aging comes change.

At the end of the day, it IS different for Sub-Zero though. They treat him like a title rather than an actual person. That's something we learned a long time ago, it's nothing new. Bi-Han died, got replaced by Kuai. Now Kuai died, and going by the little trend here. . . yeah, he may just get replaced too. This should be nothing new to you all.

Yes, we all grew up knowing and loving certain Sub-Zeros (whichever one you like more); however, this is a time for change, and he will not be omitted from that. Little do you know, if this is indeed a new Sub-Zero, you might even like him more than the last. You never know how the story will play out for him. Time will tell when we actually get knowledge and information of who he actually is. However, for now, since we DON'T know anything about him and that this is just a huge wildfire of speculation going on about his true identity, we should all be grateful that he is in the game in the first place, because that's what we DO know.

We don't know his true identity, so we should just acknowledge him from his title for now: Sub-Zero. At least they didn't kill off the entire title from the game (maybe because they knew it would be a bad idea).But this playable "title" that's been around since day one, and it is back again. That's all that should matter. . . at the point in time, since that's all we know.

Or maybe this is something I would never understand since I don't have that strong of an attachment to him like some of you do. Don't get me wrong, I like Sub-Zero as Kuai. But when I saw him get converted and then die in MK9, I already had the mindset that he will be replaced. However, I for one am open for the change of who this could be. I'm sure if it is NOT Kuai, there will be an interesting back story and what not to get us to like this new one, or at least pique everyone's interest of how this one came to be.

If he is new, don't debunk him yet. Let's just wait for the story to unveil. Maybe this is their way to keep a normal Sub-Zero, a new one. And keep Kuai a cyborg. They could play as two completely different characters. You get the best of both worlds. Two Sub-Zeros.

I respect your opinion, but i respecfully disagree. cyber sub was lazy and unneeded for the story at all, and honestly pissed me off to no end. Also you mentioned things are all changing yet Scorpion remains the same character game after game with nearly 0 story progression. I just want my sub-zero back YSZ. having bi han as subzero is a mistake because then you lose an amazing character in noob saibot. YSZ took the title subzero how you like to say, and made it his own. HE IS Sub-Zero and always will be in my eyes.

AJAX75, brilliant post!! Really, really brilliant post!!

And klash of Wombats continues...


It doesn't make Sub-Zero title his and only his alone. Sub-Zero is a title, that was established before Kuai Liang even was invented. It's known, that there were Sub-Zeroes before him and it constantly alluded in the series. Hell, there is a game featuring another Sub-Zero as a main character and Bi-Han reprises this role in MKSM.
It's not like there were many (if at all) comic books featuring somebody else as Batman prior to 90-s.
The rest of your comparision is of the wall. As, once again, Kuai Liang is not the only Sub-Zero.


It's not about just their conflict - it is how their characters can be handled in the conflict.


MK4 is not the best example of the storytelling in the series, no matter what character you take. You admitted it yourself.


None, aside from satisfying general audience, who knows that those two character locked in Mortal Kombat. Besides, why are you adressing me about this? I said I am against their rivalry. I don't support it, but it is exists and will be existing, at least in MKX, so I am looking for the way how it can be make interesting. I am making best out of the wrost, that what I always do. Or at least trying to do.


I am not against Noob Saibot, but if he dissapperas forever and Bi-Han will be developed further - I will not be against it. I am not against anything, if it develops story, characters and changes status quo. If it means letting go some of the characters - I am OK with it, because potential pay off is much more interesting, than same old same old stuff.


You win something, you lose something. In order to move series forward, some characters should have been sacrificed. If you don't like this direction - well, nobody forces you to stay fan of this series. Ulitmately, as long as series sells, new MK games will be made and your opinion will be ignored as well as mine. So, there.

Accept some stuff, that you don't like or go away, because there will never be a game made 100% to your tastes. It's always happens with things that are not made by you. The same apllies to me as well. I don't like absolutely everything about MK9, but for me pros outweighs the cons, so I accepted negative things as part of the package and moved forward, waiting for the next game.
Bottom line: you can't have everything.


Just what I said - you win something, you lose something.


Once again, Sub-Zero has started as a title, not a character. Kuai Liang can be character of his own, but not Sub-Zero.

This superdevotion to the fictional characters so annoying...especially, if those characters can be replaced.


Well, nothing precludes him from being Sub-Zero in your eyes...

You know what i meant Sumac, and i might be in the minority on this but i still prefer to call him John.

Updated: i went back and reread this whole insane thread. This is how i feel Bi Han as Sub-Zero If this Sub-Zero is Bi-Han. I'm going to lose respect for NRS completely. They already shafted Kuai Liangs evolution. Now the're going to fuck Bi-Hans too? Kuai Liang as Sub-Zero If this is Kuai Liang i will be very happy. But wonder what direction he'll go in... Last we saw of him, he was a cyborg zombie. Did Quan Chi fully resurrect Kuai Liang? Maybe Scorpion finds out that truth? And Quan Chi offers Kuai Liang resurrection in return for stopping Scorpion. New Guy as Sub-Zero If this is a in fact a new Sub-Zero... i really really hope the story of this guy makes since. Ps. None of this transgender shit with Frost. Leave her the fuck alone

One can hardly imagine why.



Probably. And why not? What, when all is said and done, would be the point of a reboot if the series followed the same path after the fact?

I think a lot of you who are overly concerned about the story should already prepare yourselves for that reality that this Sub-Zero will be a new character. He refers to himself in a third person plural form which likely means that this person considers himself and all the Sub-Zeroes to be the same.

Sort of like how The Rock considered himself to be all rocks?

Sure. Whatever that means.

Well it's no surprise to me that you might get ignored. You think you're special just because you're saying everything every other Subby hater on this thread have said a little bit differently? You literally have said nothing new. It's no fucking surprise that Sub-Zero is in the game. He will be in every MK game there is weather it's Kuai or not. This whole thread was created because I was just wondering if Kuai Liang would even be in this game at all and to me and i'm sure most Sub-Zero fans, he IS Sub-Zero.
Though at this point I'm not even sure if I want this Sub-Zero to be Kuai Liang, if he ends up being sinister. Also this Sub looked far more Chinese than Kuai in that reveal trailer. Kuai always had more of an American appearance since MK3. I'd rather have no character than character assassination, but we'll just have to wait and see.

I really don't understand the anger in the Subby haters, especially that dude with the Mileena avatar. Did Kuai kill your grandmother or something?