Edit: I know he's in, but come on, I'm just being reasonable. What I mean here, is basically, there's no more Sub-Zero. Noob Saibot was killed by Nightwolf by being thrown into Quan Chi's Soulnado, and Cyber Sub-Zero was killed somehow by just being uppercutted. (Which I think is stupid.) Unless Quan Chi or someone revives Cyber Sub-Zero into another Noob Saibot, they can't bring him back unless there's a third brother.

Sure, he was in the intro, but Scorpion and Sub-Zero are fighting in pretty much every intro.

He's in the game, it's confirmed. He wasn't just in the intro, he was showcased at E3 with his three different fighting styles and his fatality was shown to the masses. What they do with his story (whoever he is) is anyone's guess at this point, but make no mistake, Sub-Zero is in MKX.

I do hope he stays out of the limelight so Frost has a chance to shine.

You do realize he is in the game, right?

I get what you mean, but the title is misleading. Maybe ask if there's a reason for him to be in the game. :P

Do you mean MK11?....

He's in MKX, you must've been under a rock.

Anyways, Scorpion and Sub-Zero will always be in every Mortal Kombat game, so yeah he'll be in the next MK, and the next.. and the next.

What he means is SHOULD Sub-Zero be in the game? Like, is there a reason for him to be there, since all versions of him basically died in MK9.

Ah, that makes more sense.

Still, yes. Like I said, Sub-Zero will always be in a Mortal Kombat game. I guess he is asking if one of the brothers should be Sub-Zero in this game. My money is on Bi Han, or maybe a new Lin Kuei warrior. I don't think this Sub-Zero is Kuai Liang..

Unless it's Bi Han and Noob was converted back.

Cyber-noob-Saibot confirmed.

I don't understand why people think it's any more realistic that Noob becomes Sub-Zero again than Kuai Liang?

Is it the cyber thing? Because you guys do realize he died in MK9 right? Theoretically, Kuai could be resurrected as a human in a couple of different ways. Does nobody remember the elder gods giving Johnny Cage a new body back around MK3-4? It's not impossible to think Kuai is back in a human body.

Also, I'm pretty sure that soulnado fucking exploded (or imploded). Either way it would make Bi-Han just as dead as Kuai is.

I'll say this. Everybody was thinking the same shit in MK9. They thought it was Bi-Han, and I CAN see why you guys think it here too.

Both Kuai and Bi-Han have evidence pointing to them though

Bi-Han:
1. Calling Scorpion "Shirai Ryu Dog" is not exactly something Kuai would say.

2. This Sub-Zero seems a bit menacing.

3. I would say the attire we have seen on this Sub-Zero slightly resembles Noob's from MK9.

Kuai:
1. Has the Grandmaster playstyle. Something we all associate with Kuai Liang.

2. Has a cryomancer playstyle (ice arms and all). Now, don't get me wrong Bi-Han is a cryomancer too, but Kuai found the heritage in the old timeline. Before that everyone just assumed they were humans with ice abilities.

3. "I tire of maintaining our innocence". Now, that is a line I could see coming from Kuai. Why? Because of MK4's storyline. Look it up. I don't feel like describing it here (Mk4 Scorpion's ending). Also, does Kuai know that Bi-Han murdered Scorpion? He may not know. So, he may presume him innocent. Hence "OUR innocence". Bi-Han is not innocent of anything though. He DID murder Scorpion.

Anyway, that's my two cents. I hope it's Kuai. I hope this because obviously whoever this Sub-Zero is will become grandmaster again. Bi-Han becoming grandmaster holds no significance because 1. He never showed he actually gave two shits about Kuai Liang in the old timeline enough to get revenge on Sektor for automating his brother. 2. Kuai Liang DOES have a significant reason to do so. 3. Did Bi-Han actually even oppose the automation process? I mean he seemed to follow the LK pretty loyally.

THIS SO FREAGGIN MUCH!

I like both Scorpion and Sub-Zero, just want to get that out first so no one thinks I'm being biased with this. But in all honesty Sub has the better character development between the two. I mean his story changes and gets altered up until MK 9 which I don't agree with at all! I don't agree with turning him into Cyber-Zero. I felt that was a huge FU to his fans. I never once remember any fan saying "oh hey I hope they turn Sub-Zero into a cyber warrior". So why was there a need to do this? Because I was a HUGE Sub-Zero fan in Deception and Deadly Alliance. He was this close to becoming my favorite character in the game until that bullshit happened! I used to prefer Bi Han because when you think of Sub-Zero's character it made sense for him to be a cold hearted, ruthless asshole who killed anyone even innocent. I always felt Kuai Liang was more sensible than Bi Han but on the flip side more weak than Bi Han. But then again that's subjective so I won't dwell on that. But it ruins it for me. Because how the hell do you unmask him to give him his own identity? Then you give him a scar over his eye that first was red but changes blue over time due to his powers enhancing. But then comes MK 2011 and that scar is all but gone until the costume pack came out. So then it's like take away the damn scar and it's Bi Han again? Once he was given that scar it should've never left! This rant isn't about a scar by the way just saying. It's freaking inconsistent and lazy. And why did it take until Deception for him to receive the medallion of his ancestors? Shouldn't he have gotten that the minute his brother died? Did Bi Han have the medallion? I just don't get it fully. And then it's like Scorpion spared his life in MK2 but in MK 9 which is to be a retelling, Kuai Liang wants to go after Scorpion for revenge. Where is the part in that where he spares Kuai Liang's life?

The Medallion doesn't belong to his ancestors.

The medallion is the symbol of who leads the Lin Kuei and it makes whoever has it's powers stronger. Sub got it in Deadly Alliance because he took over the clan.

The Shredder armor from Deception is from his ancestors. He didn't get it until Deception because he didn't learn his ancestors existed until Deception. He and Bi-Han never knew where their family's powers came from, they just assumed they were X-Men-style mutants until in Deception he learned that Outworld had a race called Cryomancers and some of them escaped being driven extinct by moving to Earth.

Scorpion's rage isn't just over his own murder (which would be kinda petty); it's for that of the entire Shirai Ryu and, most obviously, his own family. That's the last thing Bi-Han said before Scorpion incinerated him upon seeing Quan's vision of the massacre - "That is not me!"

That ugly ass shredder armor is from his ancestors? I hated that costume to be honest. I always thought they knew about their ancestors....thanks for clearing that up Razor.

All I have to say is Duh! I know this.

I'm simply saying, Bi-Han can't proclaim innocence when he did murder Scorpion. Scorpion still has legit beef with that douche. Also, why would it be petty to be pissed over his own MURDER?

Kuai is innocent on all counts though.

Like the subject says. I tought older Sub-Zero turn into Noob Saibot and Younger Sub-Zero was Cyber Sub-Zero. How come there is a new one?

We don't know yet, man. They haven't explained it.

Noob / Cyber-Sub fusion dance?

One of the major complains about the new storyline introduced with MK9 is character inconsistecies. You know... Johnny Cage 's real Last name isn' t "Cage" but "Carlton" (the name of the daughter should be Cassie Carlton then) , Kenshi was never supposed to be a red haired, Rain was never part of the edenian resistance... And I'm just taking in account the smallest mistakes.


About Sub-Zero's situation I always thought that in current times there were just two of them and their powers come from their hybrid human /cryomancer bloodline. The only logical explanation is that :

A) Bi - Han and Kuai Liang have a secret blood brother ;
B) Bi - Han and/or Kuai Liang had a son

Sub-Zero's don't die, they multiply.

Dude, you can go to the courthouse and give them money to have your name permanently legally changed.
And then the new last name is the one your kids get.
Also, Kenshi's hair is still black, I'm not sure what you're talking about with that one.

I think he's referring to Kenshi's vignette when he was announced as DLC about the whole red head thing.

Exactly.