I think people underestimate Cyrax, but really he doesn't get a lot of his own screen-time. He could outrank Smoke, but Smoke arguably has more room to grow, adapt, learn, etc. It's important to note that rank does not necessarily have to be synonymous with power level. There are all sorts of other factors, like trust, dedication, and favoritism. That being said, the Grandmaster TRUSTS Cyrax enough to send him out with Sektor.

The qualities of trust, dedication and favoritism are impossible to judge when none of it is shown, spare Sektor's unquestioning loyality.
And Sektor was chosen first because he volunteered, any sane person would want to be getting out of dodge at that point, in the old timeline, Cyrax and Smoke were both nabbed in an unsuccessful attempt at getting away.
I think that's what defines and makes Sektor great, that is insanity to actually want to be automated. And the point of wanting to do it for power comes off as twisted, making a great villain. Pretty much there is a price on his soul, and it's to become the deadliest.
Since there is no other basis, what is left is abilities and track records. There are other factors, but almost none available so far.

Actually in the old time Cyrax volunteered with Sektor to be automated. Only Smoke and Sub-Zero refused and fled only for Smoke to be caught and forcefully automated.

The only difference between Cyrax and Sektor in the old timeline was that Cyrax later regretted his decision and eventually had his soul restored with help from Jax and Sonya.

Only in this new timeline did Cyrax initially refuse tried to flee but got caught by Sektor and was forcefully automated [basically they gave Cyrax Smoke's MK3 story]

Funny you should mention that. I looked at every bio, and anything else I could think of before I typed that, and there's not even a single hint of Cyrax volunteering.
I'm very careful with my wording, because I know people are looking for flaws, overall derailing the point.

Your first point (and brads) is wrong. Sadly.

Sektor stepped up and readily embraced the automation. While Cyrax did not physically run, He did not want to be automated. The old timeline sais nothing of the exact outline of his choice (or being chosen) and why. But His Bio lists a better mental position featured here:



Did NOT Run (sorry brad, your out). And he did NOT volunteer(sorry HS4E, your out). He "Resisted" and ended up going through with it anyways out of not wanting to leave the clan.

Razor, if you of anything i am missing canon-wise, get in here

See, this is exactly what I'm talking about, that is nearly irrelevant to the conversation. Because of a phrase that couldn't even be more close, 95% of my post is now ignored. And getting taking against your will is "being nabbed", I never said physically escaping.
I'm looking for a discussion, not being "out" for something that's technically right.

You want a discussion, then make sure you don't claim things that aren't true. You called it an "unsuccessful attempt at getting away"

well there wasn't an attempt in the first place to be unsuccessful. So in that regards, you are wrong. Lets converse about that. Upset? don't say false things in the first place. If I am ever wrong, I admit it, apologize and move on. Its really no big deal unless you want it to be.

I did not just jump in and post like an asshole, I actually went back, checked canon reference, obtained Cyrax's history, Bio etc.

Never said anything about the rest of your post aka why it wasn't included in my quote. And the "your out" was a baseball reference, no biggie. But it was wrong, actually it was "Technically Wrong" to respond to your last post.

Discuss all you want, debating whats correct, incorrect and why, just because the tide came back at you for claiming something that did not happen, does not mean the discussion cannot continue.

No hard feelings.

Now it's just semantics.
Cryax was unsuccessful at getting away, end of.
What did you think of the rest of my posts?

Well since you posted his MK9 bio as part of your argument, I do have to point out that in Story Mode...

Edit: Thanks razor, I stayed away from the new story mode, so it seems they have clarified that in favour of Cyrax resisting. So that changes many things.

I am not trying to bully you, Sorry if it seems that way.

Sorry to add another kick, but as I stated, I also disagree with your views of the Lin Kuei Ranks. There is no justification of why you have Smoke ranked where he is. or where anybody is and why. there has to be reasons here that show why they should be above the others.

Bi-Han I can accept being at the top because hes Bi-Han, his strength and success in MK:M makes it easy to believe he was top-dog in the Lin Kuei, if not, why wouldn't it have been somebody else? (Razor again, if you are around, enlighten me)

I believe Sektor and Cyrax would be above Kuai Liang and Smoke

Reason:

If the Lin Kuei are at the point where they are certain this will be successful enough to implement ANY of these top-dogs into it. They must be very confident in the outcome. and If so, Why not take two Top-tier clan members? I would imagine Bi-Han to be the most powerful Lin Kuei at this point because of MK:M and his task during MK1.

Much more would come to light if I was aware of Bi-Hans future with the clan at this point, was he meant to be automated as well? If not, it would certainly be to not put their top-dog at risk with what hes capable of. Hes an ace in the hole. With his demise, they might have realized that even their top natural warriors could be defeated, so why not start at the top trying to make the most powerful, more powerful?

Leads me to believe Sektor and Cyrax are the most powerful. Even though they are two completely different kinds of people, I would think both characters mental mentality puts them in the same range of strength. Sektor being ruthless and willing to kill with no remorse and no mercy while retaining top training and performance levels through dedication to the clans teachings, Cyrax concentrating on chi and natural strength (which should be improved through the tech while adding additional abilities.

Kuai Liang is the only character that puzzles me at this point. Because he is the younger, but he couldn't be behind by much in terms of powers equal to Bi-Han. In fact, he may have a faster curve of mastery based on what we see from him in the franchise. He does become quite an asset to the balance of power rather quickly.

Him and Smoke, chosen later than Sektor and Cyrax, may be according to Rank (it is in my opinion). But Rank might also be based on the level of personal attachment to humanity or that of which is inside.

Bi-Han = Ruthless
Sektor = Ruthless
Cyrax = Resists heavily/EDIT:eventually runs
Kuai Liang = Runs (although very powerful)
Smoke = Runs (likely not as powerful as Kuai Liang).

Seems like a bit of a coincidence that the most "Evil" and "Ruthless" are the first chosen and likely higher ranked based on perception. The less in-tune with their human/naturally emotional selves seem to thrive better in the Lin Kuei.

No I am not biased, I actually prefer Smoke over Cyrax (can slowly feel that changing) yet he is last. Logicality, or at least what I perceive as what it was/is going to be until more information arises.


-Casselman

It's also worth noting...Bi-Han was hired for the events of Mythologies largely because Quan Chi requested him specifically by name, believing his mastery of cold would be the perfect element to defeat the Gods of Wind, Earth, Water, and Fire.

I'm pretty sure that he was billed as the clan's best assassin either way, though.

So, hear about the new DLC characters, Razor?
If you're still here, that is. lol

While we are on the subject Razor. The wind/water/fire

Was Fujin the wind god form MK:M? and do we know anything of the others? Sorry. I always wondered. MK:M was some time ago

Yes, yes he was the Wind God in that game.

Nothing,except that they were all killed when Shinnok invaded in MK4.

Yes, Fujin is the same Wind God that was in MKM.
No, we don't know anything about the other three except that they died offscreen in MK4, as T-rex said. The poor bastards don't even have names yet.
One assumes that they were reincarnated after MK4 though, since Fujin's MKA bio says that's what's supposed to happen to gods when they die and Dark Raiden still having all of Raiden's memories is an aberration.
As an aside, I sure hope one of them reincarnated as a chick. It kinda bugs me how the gods in MK are a total sausage party.

Damn Gods, what's it take to kill them permanently? lol

You're right, there's that.

Ah,I remember the days of rampant pre-Deception speculation,when we all thought that Ashrah was supposed to be Raiden's daughter.

Good times. :3

Well,at least one of the Elder Gods from Raiden's vignette appears to be a chick. That's something,I guess.

Lmao.

Omg where Did I read it? HAD to be in a bio or alt bio, the gods are just kinda respawned after they die aren't they? I think i am losing my mind. Maybe something about Shinnok's invasion prevented their return. The Amulet?

We should make a thread about this.

At least one, maybe two, of the unnamed mystery gods who gave Shazam powers to Liu in his MKvsDCU ending appeared to be female too.

I wish they'd identify those characters. Most of them had pretty awesome designs. Also, Raiden, Fujin, and Argus were there too.

And I wanna know what the God of Chaos who created Chaosrealm looks like. What his name is. This dude should be a character.

And what the hell is Argus a god OF anyway? They have this bad habit lately of doing that, introducing gods and not saying what their powers are. Apparently Kahn used to be a god...God of WHAT? I WANNA KNOW!

Oh god.

I hope it's Shinnok.

That would fucking rock socks.

It can't be Shinnok, Elder Gods aren't gods OF things, they're gods of omnipotence.

Maybe Kahn was the MK equivalent of Ares.
Explains why he likes war and conquering so much.