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Jaded-Raven
03/25/2011 01:58 PM (UTC)
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Mmph phmrmph phmphrphm mmphr!!!

*takes off mouth guard*

Heeeeeey... unfair...
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ErmacYou
03/25/2011 02:43 PM (UTC)
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is cyber smoke the last cyborg made or the first?
if he is the last that would make him the strongest cause usually the first few built are prototypes and the last being the most complete.maybe sektor acknowledges this and modified him self to be smarter and stronger than cyber smoke.i doubt he's stronger if cyber smoke is capable of destroying the world
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RazorsEdge701
03/25/2011 02:47 PM (UTC)
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Cyber-Smoke was the last of the three made in MK3, but all three of them are technically prototypes, that's why each one has different weapons capabilities.

Still, like I said, Smoke would be strongest of the three because of the versatility of his nanobots.
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ErmacYou
03/25/2011 02:48 PM (UTC)
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and i appreciate the non-bitching in this thread guys.
ive learned quite a bit about the characters.
im not a hardcore fan but nowhere near a casual gamer,
unless 9 hours of gaming a day hardcore lol
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03/25/2011 02:48 PM (UTC)
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ErmacYou Wrote:
is cyber smoke the last cyborg made or the first?
if he is the last that would make him the strongest cause usually the first few built are prototypes and the last being the most complete.maybe sektor acknowledges this and modified him self to be smarter and stronger than cyber smoke.i doubt he's stronger if cyber smoke is capable of destroying the world


... Uh oh...
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ErmacYou
03/25/2011 02:50 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Cyber-Smoke was the last of the three made in MK3, but all three of them are technically prototypes, that's why each one has different weapons capabilities.

Still, like I said, Smoke would be strongest of the three because of the versatility of his nanobots.

yeah i think cyber smoke can kick sektor ass too.
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03/25/2011 02:55 PM (UTC)
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Well it's never as simple as all that. Who would win in a one-on-one fight isn't quite as important as the circumstances surrounding that fight.

Smoke has the most potential because nanobots are a deus ex machina...but he also doesn't have total control over or understanding of how they work even by Deception, a point at which Sektor has upgraded himself some and has an entire army of backup.

Plus, in the old timeline, Smoke would be under Noob Saibot's control, whereas Sektor no longer took orders from anyone and had his own goals and ambitions.
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ErmacYou
03/25/2011 03:00 PM (UTC)
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so sektor is pretty much the the villain that has the biggest goals but always gets his ass handed to him in the end by the special forces or subby.very sad
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ErmacYou
03/25/2011 03:01 PM (UTC)
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sektor being the smartest should enable him to strategise to better to beat subby,CSZ,cyber smoke and whoever else.why is that not happening?he's put too much effort to the better fighter than them yet he always ends up losing.
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03/25/2011 03:12 PM (UTC)
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ErmacYou Wrote:
so sektor is pretty much the the villain that has the biggest goals but always gets his ass handed to him in the end by the special forces or subby.very sad


Sektor actually succeeded his whole life within the Lin Kuei Ranks, and succeeded in Killing the Lin Kuei grandmaster. Not an easy task I presume.

Yes, he was defeated by Kuai Liang, but we never really know more about the battle than that unless I missed something. There could have been other factors. And that doesn't suggest the same thing will happen this time around with changed circumstances surrounding Kuai Liangs "physical being and mental ambitions"

And for the record, Sektor never got his "ass handed to him" by The Special forces, and it was never said that Subby blew him out of the water.

Actually (thanks Razor), MKA Bio's forshadow that Jax was actually captured by Sektor and modified in a way to alter his brainwaves. The finality of this event was never known.

So actually, It looks like Sektor managed to overcome Jax (maybe it was the Tekunin in general) before the ship was destroyed. So lets take it easy on the assumptions.
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03/25/2011 03:30 PM (UTC)
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Casselman Wrote:
ErmacYou Wrote:
so sektor is pretty much the the villain that has the biggest goals but always gets his ass handed to him in the end by the special forces or subby.very sad

Sektor actually succeeded his whole life within the Lin Kuei Ranks, and succeeded in Killing the Lin Kuei grandmaster. Not an easy task I presume.
Yes, he was defeated by Kuai Liang, but we never really know more about the battle than that unless I missed something. There could have been other factors. And that doesn't suggest the same thing will happen this time around with changed circumstances surrounding Kuai Liangs "physical being and mental ambitions"
And for the record, Sektor never got his "ass handed to him" by The Special forces, and it was never said that Subby blew him out of the water.
Actually (thanks Razor), MKA Bio's forshadow that Jax was actually captured by Sektor and modified in a way to alter his brainwaves. The finality of this event was never known.
So actually, It looks like Sektor managed to overcome Jax (maybe it was the Tekunin in general) before the ship was destroyed. So lets take it easy on the assumptions.

im not all familiar with his story too much thanks for clarification.
but his ending in mk9 is canon? if so he is a bastard!
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03/25/2011 03:31 PM (UTC)
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ErmacYou Wrote:
but his ending in mk9 is canon?


Well we won't know that until MK 10 comes out.
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03/25/2011 06:28 PM (UTC)
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Has nothing to do with his MK9 ending. It existed in the previous timeline. I am referring to him killing the grandmaster.

Spoilers: (Highlight to reveal)
as for his life in the Lin Kuei, both canon lives are identical up to the point of where the message arrived, which still seems to place him in a commanding role for the clan.
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03/25/2011 07:27 PM (UTC)
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Wellll based on what Smoke looks like from the new select screen picture, I have a hard time believing he would be high ranked... infact I bet he is the ninja that all the other ninjas in the clan made fun of.... Hey Smoke, nice hair! Way to be all stealthy with that mane of white buddy!

Infact I bet the Lin quei wanted to automate Smoke JUST to get rid of that rediculous looking hair...
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ErmacYou
03/25/2011 08:37 PM (UTC)
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you made a funny!
from that pic he looks more of the get shit done fast and on to the next mission.looks wayyyyyyy too angry to be soft.
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03/25/2011 08:38 PM (UTC)
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He looks to me like he spends all his time composing orchestral piano music.
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03/25/2011 11:11 PM (UTC)
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I'll add this here, but whatis the point of having members of the Tekunin in the Challege Tower?

I think it's just a reference to the old timeline, BUT

Maybe it could be hint to what they have plans to the future with Sektor taking control of the Lin Kuei and making a special branch of them and naming them the Tekunin. Seems possible.

I still stand by my first choice..
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03/26/2011 12:03 AM (UTC)
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I would imagine:
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- Sub-Zero (Bi-Han) [Deceased]
- Sub-Zero (Kuai Liang)
- Smoke
- Sektor
- Cyrax
I like the theory the reason Sektor was actually willing to be automated spawns from jealousy of Sub-Zero outranking him. Rather than the Grandmaster's own son, the Grandmaster favors a guy who freezes things and gives him the important tasks, like the events in Sub-Zero Mythos.
The Sub-Zero/Sektor feud was always one of my favorites and this gives it a motive.
That was great how both kept evolving in the old timeline, towards the end, Sub-Zero was nearly an ice god and Sektor was basically Agent Smith, not even bound to a single body anymore.
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03/26/2011 12:08 AM (UTC)
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03/26/2011 12:10 AM (UTC)
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-Brad- Wrote:
I would imagine:
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- Sub-Zero (Bi-Han) [Deceased]
- Sub-Zero (Kuai Liang)
- Smoke
- Sektor
- Cyrax
I like the theory the reason Sektor was actually willing to be automated spawns from jealousy of Sub-Zero outranking him. Rather than the Grandmaster's own son, the Grandmaster favors a guy who freezes things and gives him the important tasks, like the events in Sub-Zero Mythos.
The Sub-Zero/Sektor feud was always one of my favorites and this gives it a motive.
That was great how both kept evolving in the old timeline, towards the end, Sub-Zero was nearly an ice god and Sektor was basically Agent Smith, not even bound to a single body anymore.

Completely agree, I hope they make more of a rivalry between them this time around. Crybaby Sektor, lol.
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03/26/2011 05:02 PM (UTC)
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I always liked the thought of Sektor being Sub-Zero's (Kuai Liang) true rival, where as Noob Saibot (Bi-Han) is Scorpion's.
Noob Saibot, the elder Sub-Zero (Bi-Han) and Scorpion being destined to conflict with each other forever type thing.
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03/26/2011 05:35 PM (UTC)
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Spider804 Wrote:
-Brad- Wrote:
I would imagine:
Rank
- Sub-Zero (Bi-Han) [Deceased]
- Sub-Zero (Kuai Liang)
- Smoke
- Sektor
- Cyrax
I like the theory the reason Sektor was actually willing to be automated spawns from jealousy of Sub-Zero outranking him. Rather than the Grandmaster's own son, the Grandmaster favors a guy who freezes things and gives him the important tasks, like the events in Sub-Zero Mythos.
The Sub-Zero/Sektor feud was always one of my favorites and this gives it a motive.
That was great how both kept evolving in the old timeline, towards the end, Sub-Zero was nearly an ice god and Sektor was basically Agent Smith, not even bound to a single body anymore.

Completely agree, I hope they make more of a rivalry between them this time around. Crybaby Sektor, lol.


Completely childish and pointless post. Backed up by nothing. Not even a mention as to why you have smoke ranked higher. Tell me this, if Smoke was ranked higher, wouldn't his dedication to the clan have to be to the point where he would actually volunteer? and if not, would it still not put him in a position to be automated first? AND IF NOT, would he not at least make an attempt to morally allow the Lin Kuei to let him remain human?

Nope. You mane NO sense and have no useful argument here. Give me something to speculate on and we can talk like big boys.

-Brad- Wrote:
I always liked the thought of Sektor being Sub-Zero's (Kuai Liang) true rival, where as Noob Saibot (Bi-Han) is Scorpion's.
Noob Saibot, the elder Sub-Zero (Bi-Han) and Scorpion being destined to conflict with each other forever type thing.


Kuai Liang comes across as an extremely humane person with true aggression and ruthlessness only coming through during battle and when personal ambition is present. I don't see him as a Lin Kuei member that dwells on rivalry. If there was anybody he had anything beyond an "i don't care about you" attitude, it would be Bi-Han. He doesn't strike me as the kind of person who really gives a damn about anybody but him and his brother.
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03/26/2011 05:56 PM (UTC)
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It wasn't my intention to offend.
That list is based on pre-automation (post, it's anyone's guess), it sounds very logical Sektor wanted to one-up his clansmen. It makes little sense Sektor would want to if he's already high up.
Sub-Zero seems the clear favored (Mythos), with Sub-Zero (Bi-Han) being their best. Bi-Han's death is a likely reason for setting the automation off in the first place, to accommodate.
Smoke is next (pre automation still) because of his natural ability, Cyrax has some type of chi and I don't believe Sektor's is listed. So if any, the Cyrax and Sektor placement should be considered.
With the feuding, there's likely a genuine hatred on Sektor's part, opposed to Noob Saibot main goal with Sub-Zero so far to simply erase connections to his life, they're practically asking to move on.
Sub-Zero and Sektor always seem to end up at each other's throats.
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03/26/2011 06:11 PM (UTC)
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I always thought it was:

1. Sub-Zero [Bi-Han]
2. Sektor
3. Tundra/Sub-Zero2 [Kuai Liang]
4. Smoke
5. Cyrax
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03/26/2011 06:21 PM (UTC)
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Its hard to understand, because we don't really know where Subzero would end up without the Medallion. He could have barely beat Sektor OR he could have raped him. We just don't know where his natural power lays on the scale without the medallion. He has to be up there though for his battles through MK2-MK4. Hes gotta be mid-high tier at least.

Why was he chosen after Sektor and Cyrax though? I wonder if it was Rank, or if another tactical decision was made. Maybe Warriors born without special powers were chosen at first because..

Spoilers: (Highlight to reveal)
We hear NOTHING of Sektor or Cyrax having special powers in the vignettes or Endings.


Then after success, maybe they looked to people WITH powers.
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