Considering the fact that this game seems to hint at or at least suggests to me that Kuai Liang and Bi-Han didn't have a big age difference and could have been twins, I would not think that Bi-Han was greatly superior to Kuai Liang. Also consider the fact that Bi-Han got killed by Scorpion after he became a spectre, the same Scorpion who now canonically Kuai Liang defeated in the 2nd tournament in Outworld, so how can the guy be less skilled ? ..

I think at times what happens is that Kuai Liang's future in the old timeline being known to us already and the fact that we know he greatly improved with his powers in the previous timeline especially after claiming the Dragon medallion, we tend to think he is weak now. But that is only relative to himself in the previous timeline's future.

As for rank in the Lin Kuei, nothing previously ever suggested Sektor, Cyrax, Smoke or either Sub-Zero brothers being ranked higher or lower than anyone apart from the fact that Bi-Han was considered an elite assassin possibly because of his participation in MKM and MK1. But now with Sektor, Cyrax and Bi-han being there in the first tournament, it seems a bit different. Perhaps in terms of seniority Sektor Cyrax and Bi-han fall into one category while Smoke and Tundra fall into another. Rank wise after Bi-Han's death I would assume that Sektor and Cyrax both being automated, one voluntarily and the other reluctantly while Tundra and Smoke defected would automatically render Sektor and Cyrax as more highly ranked now, in fact, with the whole situation, Tundra and Smoke aren't technically even part of the Lin Kuei when they are on the run, hence they don't even have a rank until they get caught and in poor Subby's case gets automated. With Sektor taking over the Lin Kuei after killing his father the Grand Master, he becomes the most highly ranked by default.

Two things where you're wrong here:



2) As I already pointed out, we've already seen from Sub-Zero's bio vignette that he's NOT inexperienced, he did NOT "master his skills around MK2", he was trained at the same time as his older brother was and has been already working as a Lin Kuei assassin named Tundra well before his bro died.
There's no logical reason to consider Smoke better or worse than Kuai, they treat each other as equals in the script. An argument could be made that Bi-Han WAS the highest ranked before he died, based on Mythologies, but he does die, so that was then and this is now.

Sektor is only the highest ranking member until Kui Liang comes back and kicks his ass again like he did in between MK3-MK:DA.

Obvious fanboyism aside, I would say that the Sub-Zero brothers are the most powerful Lin Kuei members, both could be the same age, and if Bi Han killed gods, defeated Quan Chi and Shinnok, and even Scorpion while in the Netherrealm, I'm sure he could take on any other Lin Kuei member.

And we also have canon proof that Sub-Zero took control of the clan from Sektor.

It would certainly be nice to see the Sub-Zero plots from DA and Deception occur in the new timeline what with them being the most interesting things Subbie has ever done and all...but I have to question the possibility now that...

It doesn't really matter if Smoke got his mind back in MK3 or not. It doesn't matter if it never happened to Cyrax. The point is it CAN happen. Anyone with a computer in their damned brain CAN be reprogrammed, just like they were programmed when they were automated in the first place.
Hell, the Tekunin are able to capture and mind control Jax in Armageddon and he isn't even full cyborg. So apparently, if you have even a little bit of machinery going on, your ass will eventually belong to Sektor. Cyborg = tainted goods.

Just because he can be reprogrammed doesn't necessarily make him inferior, nor does it mean that he's definitely going to get fucked over again after the reversal process. Everyone has different strengths and weaknesses, we'll just have to see if Kui Liang can work around them.

Razor's already has his mind set. I don't think you'll be able to change it.

Younger sub zero (automated) will always be Sektor's bitch IF Sektor can get his hands on CSZ. i doubt it. CSZ can beat Sektor 1v1. And Being automated makes a warrior better. If that is not true, then why did the lin kuei approve of this program?

People tend to forget that Sektor can ALSO be reprogrammed. Perhaps Cyborg Subbie will get his hands on him and reprogram him for the better. Who knows?

Lol.

No offense. But I highly doubt it. Everything about him is blind devotion with an evil soul or no soul at all. Even before he is automated, he has no problem with killing and even with his Lin Kuei programming, in his ending...



Everything we know about Sektor is based on Evil and soullessness, why would NRS ever change that? Cyrax is torn between, Smoke is Good until otherwise programmed, its only logical to balance it with Sektor being evil.

I know WB wants a good product, and planning ahead is key and I am sure that has been brought up. I expect 70%+ of foreshadows to come true for MK10.

Sektor will stay evil, or Die, at least until more plot development happens. I do not see it happening soon.

I'm not saying it will happen, I'm just saying that it's a possibility. Everyone is arguing that Cyborg Subbie and Cyrax can be reprogrammed to become evil again, but Sektor can also be reprogrammed to become good.

Saying that it is unlikely Sektor can be made good, but that the other two can become evil... that's just hypocrisy. They all have the same hardware installed into their bodies, so it can go both ways for all of them.

I like Sektor as a character, but other than going off and creating the Tekunin I don't really see what he could do in the future. I guess I'm just not creative enough really, I just thought him getting beat by Sub-Zero, fueling his rage for revenge was a cool enough story.

Pre-automated Cyrax would have words with you on that one. "Underestimating the human soul" and all that shit. P.S., spoiler tags, dude.

If you haven't noticed, then it says SPOILERS in the thread title. Hopefully people can figure out that this thread contains spoilers and that spoiler tags would not be needed here.

Didn't Sektor implant a chip into his brain? I certainly recall Jax's ending stating that.

Sektor can reprogram CSZ, but before Sektor can do that, Sektor's gotta fight CSZ. CSZ will rape sektor.

Yes. And Cyrax and Cyber-Sub already HAVE chips in their brain is my entire point. And it's really not as hard to recapture or defeat Sub as you think when after this game, Sektor will have the numbers advantage.
See, the Lin Kuei fell apart the first time, making it easy for Sub-Zero to take them over, because the MK3 invasion stole all their souls, so the only cyborgs they had time to build were the three in the game. And then when things went back to normal, there was some sort of mass abandoning because of the rebellions and cyberninja malfunctions, and the clan became a skeleton crew. In MK9, the soul stealing doesn't start until the end of the damn invasion and the Lin Kuei has time to convert lots more of the clan into cyberninja guards and become strong instead of falling apart/nearly disbanding like they did in MK4.
Hell, in theory, Sektor doesn't even need to fight, he could hack them wirelessly if he built the right equipment, which he can because he's the most tech-savvy MK character and Cyrax and Sub don't know fuck-all about electronics, they're fucked and they don't even know it.

As for the earlier question of "Being automated makes a warrior better. If that is not true, then why did the lin kuei approve of this program?", the answer to that is, the Lin Kuei mainly made them cyborgs to make them obedient. Soulless machines can't say no, they have no thoughts of their own.

"Better" would be a matter of opinion that largely depends on what the character's powers were before they got automated.

Smoke might be more powerful as a cyberninja in the old canon because his nanobot-based smoke was a swarm of microscopic robots that could do fucking anything like heal/rebuild him rapidly or transform others, while his regular human smoke is just, y'know, making and turning into fog. Sektor might be more powerful as a cyberninja, we don't know what his human self's moves are yet. But Cyrax in the script clearly indicates he believes his chi is more powerful than being a cyberninja would make him and that's why he doesn't want to be automated. And I'm DAMNED sure Sub-Zero was better off with cryomancy than shooting "ice bombs" out of his chest. (Yes, "Ice Bomb" is literally in his move list) He would certainly agree, he calls himself a "flawed copy" of his former self.

Well its a good thing I diddn't say that, thus not a hypocrit.

Fans of Kuai Liang just had to see him turned into A Cyborg, You really think after he gets his "soul" back in this game, NRS is gonna take another step and turn him back to evil?

Not happening, we have to think logically here. Sure theres always a chance. But NRS wants fans to get what they want for the most part and I am sure much of what the old canon brought will remain the same.

I dont see it. Sektor will stay bad until death, thats what they have proven they want for him. Cyrax will kind of be up in the air and Smoke will ultimately end up good. In My opinion, Its just natural character development for these characters, I dont feel anything else could work. If any of them, itd be Cyrax that gets deviated because of his conflicted mentality but even that looks weak as a chance according to this new story script.

I don't think you get what I mean... What I am saying is that it is a possibility! I am well aware that it is never going to happen, but what I am saying is that because Sektor is programmed and has the same system printed into his body like Cyrax and Cyborg Subbie, it CAN happen! Sektor can be reprogrammed like the other two can. I am NOT saying that's going to happen, but I say that he is able to be reprogrammed.

Did you make any sense out of this?

Sure, Sektor could in theory be reprogrammed too. But Sektor is the one who knows how to do it, he's the character with the greatest understanding of the cyberninja technology. That's why he's more likely to get the better of the other cyborgs in a programming-based situation than the other way around. ('Course, in a one-on-one fight, Sektor gets stomped most of the time, so there's that...)

'Course, Sub-Zero somehow reprogrammed Cyrax in the original MK3. Who knows how the hell he managed that. One assumes he had the help of other heroes like Jax or Cyber-Smoke.

Jax could do the reprogramming, but again, we've already seen Sektor get the better of Jax in the old timeline because he had the numbers advantage. And the numbers advantage is something he may have down the road in the new timeline too.

In theory... I should have used that phrase... D'oh! *facepalm*

**Puts in a mouth guard**



Read'er again my friend. Yes I payed respect to the idea.

@Razor: your seriously a person I could bust out a pot of popcorn to read posts from. Don't you ever change baby.