this cheapens the whole experience! I understand dc and warner brothers restrictions but this is ridiculous!!! go make a purely dc game then, if you're going to do this then bloody well do it right. im sorry but the jokers done much worse in comic books countless times. he's a maniacal villain. he still shoots his opponent in the head but we dont get to see it???? r we retarded? do we not know whats happening? why cant we bloody well see it?! mortal kombat is known for the brutal violence....i dont know what to think of this anymore. im starting to look forward to arkham asylum a lot more than this.
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Please read through the entire topic before you start to judge. Other users on this forum already pointed out that it isn't DC who wanted to get rid of the Jokers fatality. It's ESRB.

Personally i'm disappointed of course. But we did know this might happen. Fatalities are important to MK, and having them toned down feels like a loss. I'm more interested at the gameplay though.

Mortal Kombat is going to be destroyed if they don't ditch DC.

I'm pretty sure Namco wouldn't have minded Seigfried tearing another hole in Jax's ass.

I'm willing to bet money Marvel would've allowed Wolvering to impale Liu Kang and rip out his heart.

i'm back and i see that my fellow mk fans are back too. it really sucks that we can't do anything about the changes thats been made to the game. although its good to see that the diehard mk fans hasn't changed. we're all disappointed! if you all made a game, i would buy it from you and i'd play the hell out of it no matter what the title of the game was. i'd consider it an honor to be able to play it. so heres to you my fellow mk fans you're very important to me and hopefully one day we'll get that mk game that we want.
you're truely spectacular people and you all need to be praised for every word you've wrote on this forum! besides the disappointment of the game i'm hurt that my mk fans are displeased more. cause yall are the ones who really make me proud to read your words and be included on this site. so heres to yall and by some chance i ever in life designed a game that became a popular long lasting franchise, i don't care if the game flopped and i didn't make one cent off the game, i'd go by what the fans said about it. they would be the ones telling me what to do,so i can please the fans. cause they are what its all about! yall have great intuition and insight on how a game should be played! truely amazing!

Weak! I watched a dude get popped in the head on prime time television the other night. Like a quart of blood came out of that thing. The FCC should teach the ESRB a little bit about not caring for this country's future.

To see that JackBurton acknowledged my idea I posted at the start of page 2 makes me feel alright. So to him, I say thank you, my fellow MK vet. That's sugar on an otherwise sour day, which is just another in a long string thanks to a severe cold and cough. But I rest my case about me.

I've always wondered of a crossover attempt by Midway. Despite the iffy news, I've got this pre-ordered already for the special edition, and I'm not canceling it. Hearing that John Tobias is back on the team for this is a throwback to the good old days for me, and I'm very pleased with it.

In any event, I never really took the "over-the-top" fatalities as something that absolutely had to be included to sell an MK game in THIS day and age when good gameplay that was challenging is more fulfilling and satisfying on a deeper level. That's not to say I don't like the fatalities at all -- there are times when I get so irate and filled with rage, I use the games' finishers and steady difficulty increase as a positive output of my fury instead of me risking it absolutely boiling over and I end up hurting or, God forbid, killing someone else. (Living with some autism, and dealing with people that don't understand those who have this, gives convictions of sorts against my nature and what I've been taught to do on a moral level.... whatever, I'll spare you guys the life story.)

I bought every game from Deadly Alliance up to and including Armageddon (sans Unchained because I don't have a PSP), and though I appreciate all of the fatalities shown (then shook my head at Kreate-a-Fatality's limitations), I liked anything and everything else that was different in what Midway offered, even if it proved to be at times substandard. The most obvious example I wanted to point out was the Kreate-a-Fighter mode.

Please bear with the following wall of text that may just be me spouting nonsense at first; I tell you now, it is not.


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What Armageddon did go and bring to the populace in its Kreate-a-Fighter mode was acceptable to me because it allowed me, a non-artistically-inclined person, to finally give a physical existence (in a sense) of my long-lived character idea that was spawned in my childhood when I played MKII in the year it was released. [A detailed description isn't enough for someone that needs reference, you know??]

The character is a living manifestation of The Dead Pool arena and its elements, crossed with my feminine side, my perfect woman preference, a good amount of my personal perversions, and my conscience. Her name is Kira Motoaki, and I commissioned someone for artwork of her over this summer. Being that it's commissioned art, the guy doesn't post it on his account at deviantART -- I have the right to do so, and of course I've given him credit in the artist's comments. Anyone that wants to see, you're free to go ahead and do so:
http://dj-Mara.deviantart.com/art/Kirakira-Motoaki-E-94811756
(And no dirty thoughts, boys; she's married. Even so, she'll kill you if you try anything.)

These days Kira is my female protagonist character in an RP series that me and my friends (including my girlfriend) go through whenever we can. The actual concepts of realms, the different conflicts, and EVEN the events of Armageddon (only played out in a different way), were worked into the thing by me almost 100% of the time in the past year-and-a-half to two years. The Dead Pool itself [and this is considered, by me, to be the combination of the MKII/MK Shaolin Monks version as the first room, and the MK Deception version as the second room on the other side of the entrance] is no longer a part of Outworld in the RP, but is instead attached to the home realm of my protagonists......... and it's Kira's room, too! XD WHATEVER.


For us players to see a truly in-depth and overall satisfying Kreate-a-Fighter, with all of the possible special moves offered, as well as all of the accessories and such (I'm looking at what zombified Liu Kang had on his wrists, personally), we should look to see that for a future next-gen game -- but I HOPE IT'S NOT AN M.M.O., because I'll be too busy as an accountant to put in THAT amount of time.

Okay, enough of my inner reflection-like happenstance.


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At my base, I am a Mortal Kombat veteran, and these days I look more to replay value and good, if not MUCH BETTER THAN GOOD gameplay than over-the-top violence. It does NOT say that I don't want said violence; no, that would be a plus. All things considered, though, I'm giving MK vs DCU all of my efforts and attention, and I'll appreciate it for what it is. Once again, thanks to Jack for the nod at my speargun idea and firing the BANG! flag into the opponent's chest for the first Joker fatality. THAT MEANS A LOT, MAN!

~ Daniel J
dj DTHTRP

Well, I just found out from IGN that Liu Kang's much-reviled "MK Arcade cabinet" finisher is making a return.

... and a little part of me died inside.

my friend i'm sorry to say its only gonna get worse! if only i had the power i would make the game right so we could enjoy it!

Everything you say?

DC invited the aids virus!
DC killed the stock market, twice!
DC was behide 9-11
DC Killed Jesus!
DC are Nazis!
DC gave birth to Uwe Boll

It's not about judging this game based on its level of violence. It's about the principle. They let other games get away with much worse and give them a T rating.
The fact that they're forcing MK vs. DC to tone down something that they allow in other T Rated games, is unjust. That's what's wrong with this piece of news.

If that was the case why are the X-men movies pg-13?

Then what? Did the ESRB just have a bad day? After hearing approval of the fatality, DC was more open to accept Joker's first fatality...so, what was the ESRB's problem?

I think Mortal Kombat just has a big target on its back.
Hell Mortal kombat pretty much gave birth to the ESRB.

That's not a proper comparison. DC is only worried about protecting their charactars. They worried that The Joker's fatality would set people off or make for a negative impact on their bottom line. Once they saw that everyone approved, of course they were fine with it.

Now, put yourself in the shoes of the ESRB. They're responsible for upholding the credibility of their game ratings. Obviously Mortal Kombat (one of the reasons the ESRB was founded in the first place) would face a whole hell of alot of scrutiny. They also have to worry about their reputations within the industry(one that was damaged only as little as a couple years ago**GTA San Andreas**), constant scrutiny by law makers and the Jack Thomsons of the world. On top of ALL THAT, they have to worry about the trust of consumers. If consumers (see: parents) don't trust the ratings, they'll feel less compelled to buy the product. Which once again harks back to the lawmakers and the industry credibility and blah blah, I could go on for hours about the high stakes that the ESRB face with every rating.

Do I think it's possible that MK vs DC was harshly and unfairly reviewed by the ESRB because of the series history and fear of a public backlash. Absolutly. Can I prove it....no. I've seen things in T rated games that I thought would warrant an M rating(Uncharted, as someone pointed out, is a great example) but Uncharted doesn't have the history of controversy that MK has, thus, a lighter review. Fair? No. But this is the corner that Midway has painted themselves in after years of catering to the "blood and gore" fans.

Keep in mind, I like the fatalities and gore just as much as anyone, but to expect anything less then what we've seen, when one of the most infamous M rated franchises in history shoots for a T rating, is insanity.

*Adds to the list*

It's such a bad idea in the first place....

plain and simply mk vs dc is gonna be a stupid, sucky game without the fun gore that was originally added to it before this toning down crap. even though it wasn't really all that graphic. its puzzling to me that noone from esrb seen the fatality videos that were posted before now! i mean do they not have a computer to view the videos? they should have known that making a change all of a sudden was going to cause contraversy! but hell i guess they don't care! why would they? they'll get their money's worth from the people who don't mind buying mk vs dis-ney!

Exactly, the ESRB should've definatly taken into consideration that Midway jumped the gun and showed the world something that hadn't been cleared yet. Which ultimatly jacked everyone's expectations for fatalities through the roof.

Look, I understand why Midway wanted to show the fatality. It was nothing short of awesome, and I honestly think that could've been in a T rated game, but if they were even SLIGHTLY unsure of whether it would be allowed or not, it should've never been shown to a blood thirsty public that was going to hold every other fatality in the game to that standard.

Why are the MK movies pg-13? Also Marvel isen't known for blood but you're missing the point. NO ONE'S SAYING THAT MARVEL IS BLOODY what we're trying to say is that Marvel would be alot more tolerant on the blood and gore IF they were to team up with MK. So I really don't know why people keep saying Marvel haven't had a rated M game before, well they have never teamed up with midway either. That was my point in the MK VS. Marvel thread but people kept thinking I was saying marvel was bloody and DC was not. Actually LISTEN people. Also I'm not saying that Marvel wouldn't change things, they'll probably want some of the blood gone and fatals a little less brutal but I'm sure they would have kept the rating to M. Also in my eyes it is DC's fault that many of the already toned down fatals are getting even more watered down. If they were so cool with the Joker's fatal then they should have just bumped the rating up to an M while still in the original agreement that them and midway had originally made.

That much is true, yes.

Exactly Ahnka.

People assume Marvel would be as kiddie-pleasing as DC, but Marvel has never worked with Midway so how the hell would they know?

Marvel has at least had some M-Rated games.

The X-Films are pg-13, but so are the MK films. At least they show Wolvie stabbing people to death. The game world isn't the same thing as Hollywood.

I just think anyone who does a crossover with MK but doesn't want their characters to get ripped apart is stupid. Why work with MK in the first place then? And not only that, but wouldn't it be a good opportunity to show their characters in a different light?

Chickens, I swear. And someone in this forum said that DC always works at an experimental level. Uh.... Here's your proof that it doesn't.

Violence isn't essential to the gameplay, but it certainly is a big part of MK's style/design. No real violence just takes the underlining away from the series.

First we got the wannabe fatalities in MKA, and now this kiddie crap. I'm seeing a new trend here.

No matter how much these fanboys act like blood doesn't matter it does. Its a big part of MK and if it wasen't for it ,MK wouldn't have become as big as it did, heck, it probably wouldn't have become a franchise. It would have just stayed ONE game. But its because of the blood that we're here. Also about X-Men, the X-Men movies are a hell of alot darker than the MK movies. lol, the MK movies can actually be found in the freaking family section in video stores,lol.

Queen Sindel, you're right about every thing. I think the real appeal of this cross over would be to actually tear Superman's head off or for the joker to actually blow Liu Kang's head off. MKVSDCU isen't cannon in the DC world, heck, I doubt DC is even participating in the making of the game so what will it hurt them to make it an M? I'm telling you that the only way this game could sell is if its dark and bloody. Yall think MK2 would have sold well if it had no blood or fatals?

As stated before, these are going to be the most embaressing fatals in the history of fighting game finishers.

Oh really?,people who played/still play UMK3 doesnt play the game for the fatalities but the gameplay....

But what can you expect from n00bs who think that they know everything and claim that Mk Deception has good gameplay...?

I don't know what the hell you're talking about. I never stated MKD had great gameplay, I HATE both MKD and MKA. Also MKVSDCU isen't really different in the gameplay department, it just has some new additions thrown in to throw you guys off. Noobs? Yeah i've been playing MK since '92, I'm a REAL newb...Also quit throwing words in our mouths, we never said blood or fatals was more important than gameplay. But its a big part of MK and should never be left out since its actually what made the game famous.UMK3? LOL, Wow welcome to 1996. Last time MK ever had good game play.

lmao. indeed. evidenced by Flash's highly retarded vortex punch. Ooo look at me, I'm running around in a circle and creating a tornado, then jumping into the air and punching my victim to the floor. Woop-Dee-Fuckin-Doo. LAME

lmao. "Heroric brutality",lol. I bet they'll change Green Lantern's brutality, they'll probably want the opponent to get up laughing and the two of them shaking hands.