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10/26/2008 06:10 AM (UTC)
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I find this very funny, DC act's like these "characters" are living breathing meta humans.
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10/26/2008 06:13 AM (UTC)
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From the other thread.

Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
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This is getting rediculous. I liked Joker's fatality. But now.. it will suck.
I will buy Dead Space instead. No need to spent money in this T crap.

You're going to drop the game because of a fatality? No offense but isn't that a bit shallow


Yes that is shallow and it speaks volumes about this franchise's fan base and why this franchise was in the crapper in the first place.We finally get a MK with potentially solid gameplay and nobody cares because of sub par arbitrary finishing moves that have absolutely nothing to do with gameplay. Ill take solid gameplay over fatalities any day of the fucking week. This game has the potential to legitimize this franchise as a "real" fighting game and nobody seems to care.......tragedy


Fatalities have sucked post MK2 so I honestly wouldn't care if they axed them entirely for future installments and focused on what really matters: The GAMEPLAY and the STORY.
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10/26/2008 06:17 AM (UTC)
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how crazy is this! game figures not even real people i mean its not like theres death really involved, come on! mortal kombat is just a fun fatality game its just magical to hear the words... finish him! then typing in that gruesome fatality sitting back and watching the game figure being ripped apart. besides even the in game characters doesn't really die. after you kill them they magically appear on the character select screen so you can choose them again and repeat the process over and over. i thought thats what mortal kombat was about is magical mature content. the jokers fatality was one of the best fatalities in the whole mk series thus for! now they wanna tone it down? what the hell! this is by for the most dissapointing aspect in all of mk history! for 17 years i've been playing the hell out of all the mk games every since the first game i was only 13 at the time, even i knew the people on the game weren't real! the mature rating just really means mk fun. in batman movies you see the joker kill people. now i can understand if a child sees that and ask a question but as for as a game goes the adults in charge of toning down the fatalities are the ones whose childish. making us adults ask questions that shouldn't be asked. i wouldn't get this game if someone payed me too! i'm not even renting it! and all yall true mk fans out there i know without a doubt yall feel the same way i do! this is the ultimate fatality for all of us!
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10/26/2008 06:36 AM (UTC)
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DUH

a. To prove that they really are pushing the T Rating"..."

Or,

b. It's a T Rated game, what did you expect?


Now, I liked the Jokers fatality too, but as far as the T rating, soccer moms aren't expected to buy something that lets "Little Timmy" shoot people in the head.

lol

Besides that, this isn't the DC/Warner Bros folks doing this one, it's the ESRB rating folks. If it was DC, there would still be time for the MKTeam to go through and make proper adjustments. There isn't really time to make proper adjustments, and so we're getting this stuff. These..."quick" revisions" like this off screen thing with the Jokers' fatality.

Also, do you really think Hector(the MkTeam) would have shown fatalities like that, before DC gave the MkTeam the "go ahead"? No.

So again I say...Duh. haha..


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10/26/2008 06:49 AM (UTC)
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i don't rightfully know whose in charge of changing the fatalitys and you don't really know either. mk, dc, or esrb. the whole point of the matter is in the first place midway shouldn't have made a decision to cross over with dc and even changing the game to teen rating. if soccer moms don't won't their little kiddies playing the game then why do they have to get it for them. like i said their game characters NOT REAL PEOPLE!
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10/26/2008 06:52 AM (UTC)
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ThePredator151 Wrote:
DUH

a. To prove that they really are pushing the T Rating"..."

Or,

b. It's a T Rated game, what did you expect?


Now, I liked the Jokers fatality too, but as far as the T rating, soccer moms aren't expected to buy something that lets "Little Timmy" shoot people in the head.

lol

Besides that, this isn't the DC/Warner Bros folks doing this one, it's the ESRB rating folks. If it was DC, there would still be time for the MKTeam to go through and make proper adjustments. There isn't really time to make proper adjustments, and so we're getting this stuff. These..."quick" revisions" like this off screen thing with the Jokers' fatality.

Also, do you really think Hector(the MkTeam) would have shown fatalities like that, before DC gave the MkTeam the "go ahead"? No.

So again I say...Duh. haha..




Yeah, but if DC hadn't INSISTED on the T-Rating then...

Also, if it's strictly the ESRB.. then how come there are other "T-Rated" games that get away with having more violent acts in them than is being allowed for this game (I mean, not mutilation or anything..but certainly stronger than what is being censored here)? Also, the fatality wasn't even graphic. Not like you saw Kitana's brains go flying out the back of her head and splatter the wall.
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10/26/2008 06:59 AM (UTC)
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quanscorptile Wrote:
i don't rightfully know whose in charge of changing the fatalitys and you don't really know either. mk, dc, or esrb. the whole point of the matter is in the first place midway shouldn't have made a decision to cross over with dc and even changing the game to teen rating. if soccer moms don't won't their little kiddies playing the game then why do they have to get it for them. like i said their game characters NOT REAL PEOPLE!


Ha!

#1. What's causing this change is the ESRB rating commission. Not the creators of the game, and not the DC//Warner Bros folks. The MkTeam already went through the wringer with DC about everything. That's why they're "finished" with the game right now.

#2. I'm a supporter of a successful campaign, but not this concept.

#3a. Graphics are really good in game.
#3b. Soccer moms won't distinguish a difference between human and polygon.
#3c. They're the ones spending money on it expecting a stout T rated game with "Batman and Superman in it".
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10/26/2008 07:00 AM (UTC)
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ok i'll hand it to ya on that one, that makes since. and thats my thought exactly on the joker fatality, it was more cool than graphic. whoever is behind this i hope they're pleased with themselves cause they lost a loyal mk fan!
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10/26/2008 07:06 AM (UTC)
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smart guy! great speech!
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10/26/2008 07:07 AM (UTC)
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It was probubly a bad idea for Midway to show anything fatality wise BEFORE being o.k.'d by the ESRB. All it did was get our hopes up. I have no doubt that there will be some cool fatalities, but nothing much outside of stabbing.

That being said, i'm not deterred, this still looks like the best MK (DC or not) since Deadly Alliance.(Still hoping for a pure mk9 next time mind you)
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10/26/2008 07:08 AM (UTC)
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_RaptoraS_ Wrote:
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My middle finger as an answer to MK team.
I think that finger needs to be towards DC/ESRB, I think it's obvious the MKteam wanted this game to be as Mature as possible. I said it once, I'll say it again: THE ESRB NEEDS TO MAKE A RATING THAT WILL BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN T & M. (sorry about the caps)


ESBR is doing their job. They just rating the game. They don't limit the freedom of the violence that a game will have. The developers are free to use as violence as they want until they reach the M level else the game is banned. MK team is allowed to use much more violence like they did in the previous games. But they do not want because they agreed with DC to have a T rating. It's MK team's fault. They should go to DC and say this is the game. Do you approve it? If yes then the rating doesn't matter. If it takes a T or M it's ok. Even if ESBR had a rating between T and M they would choose the T rating. It 's clear that is a money earning strategy. Else M rating wouldn't bothered them.
So my middle finger to both MK team and DC. Now I understand why God gave me two middle fingers. One finger for MK team and one for DC.


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10/26/2008 07:08 AM (UTC)
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Sigh. Cue the part where is say "fuckin faggots! How could you!"

But let's chill....

...flame me for this but, if this is what Midway had to do to sell MORE to ensure the future of further MK games that will in fact be back to normal, then I can let it slide.

Think about the fun factor, you murderous fucks. Not the murder factor.

I too, miss the blood and gore but are we that fucked up? Should we base a games entire existence and fun factor on this?
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10/26/2008 07:10 AM (UTC)
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Bah pretty old news. But I don't really care as long as gameplay rocks.
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10/26/2008 07:12 AM (UTC)
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I feel sorry for people in general who buy MK only for fatalities.

These are the fans that have also let MK get away with terrible gameplay over the last 10 years.

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10/26/2008 07:22 AM (UTC)
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TomTaz Wrote:
Also, if it's strictly the ESRB.. then how come there are other "T-Rated" games that get away with having more violent acts in them than is being allowed for this game (I mean, not mutilation or anything..but certainly stronger than what is being censored here)? Also, the fatality wasn't even graphic. Not like you saw Kitana's brains go flying out the back of her head and splatter the wall.



You'll have to draw a contrast #1, because just like the MkTeam is trying to do, it depends on the act....and how the act is presented to a player. Many of the games you're talking about hide, or only suggest on the act. Never really exposing the player to it. Which in turn, allows the player to think whatever they want to about what "may have happened" off the screen. Same thing with the Jokers Fatality here.

I swear we need a character in an M Rated Mortal Kombat that showcases suggestive habits like these. Anyway...


And #2, a "Fatality" at the end of a match not only showcases, but it also suggests that hostility and revenge towards another is a "cool thing to take on as a habit".

So, if it's not "Toned down" enough, that suggestion isn't curbed enough to veer that inference away from that suggestion...and hence, little kids who get their hands on this T Rated game, may think it's alright to go out and try some of these things. Namely, go get Sarah Palins gun and shoot little Timmy in the head to see if it's just as cool in real life.

Common sense tells a MATURE(this should stay a mature game...of course WE all know this) audience, that their friend will not get back up again.

THAT's the ESRB committees job in this case. They're there to make sure that the creators of our games don't influence "Little Timmys" to do stupid shit. And that's what they're doing here, so close to the release date of MKvsDC.



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10/26/2008 08:39 AM (UTC)
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Don't post much here anymore, but I still lurk in the shadows. Honestly, is this what Mortal Kombat has become? I understand the T rating and the reasons e the game is such. I understand pressures from DC and I don't want to sound like an asshole, but this has become ridiculous.
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10/26/2008 09:29 AM (UTC)
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GoDisNotHereTODAY Wrote:
Sigh. Cue the part where is say "fuckin faggots! How could you!"

But let's chill....

...flame me for this but, if this is what Midway had to do to sell MORE to ensure the future of further MK games that will in fact be back to normal, then I can let it slide.

Think about the fun factor, you murderous fucks. Not the murder factor.

I too, miss the blood and gore but are we that fucked up? Should we base a games entire existence and fun factor on this?


**Standing Ovation.
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10/26/2008 10:11 AM (UTC)
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Mortal Kombat was created and became popular based on 2 ideas. The look of the fighters being semi realistic and the FATALITIES. Thats the bottom line. The simple fact that Boon and company is willing to sacrifice one these two defining characteristics on any scale is a clear message the fans that they really dont give a shit. They think every little bullshit out of the box idea of theirs will eventually be well recieved no matter what the initial back lash. Well guess what, You fail sir.

And P.S. Im still pissed about the Create a Fatality system in Armageddon. It was weak and a stupid excuse to not have to explain that no one wanted to create 1-2 different fatalities for 50+ characters And if it was a space issue why not just wait till the next gen systems come out where it could handle it.
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10/26/2008 10:37 AM (UTC)
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jerodcross Wrote:
Mortal Kombat was created and became popular based on 2 ideas. The look of the fighters being semi realistic and the FATALITIES. Thats the bottom line. The simple fact that Boon and company is willing to sacrifice one these two defining characteristics on any scale is a clear message the fans that they really dont give a shit. They think every little bullshit out of the box idea of theirs will eventually be well recieved no matter what the initial back lash. Well guess what, You fail sir.

There are fatalities
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10/26/2008 01:28 PM (UTC)
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Words cannot express my sheer LOLness at the people who say they're not going to get it now. Welcome to where I've been since it was announced.

Personally, I hope this game kills MK once and for all. Finish it!
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10/26/2008 02:03 PM (UTC)
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This is some real bullshit this ain't no damn powder puff game,DC needs to chill the hell out,they knew what they was getting into, so let mk do the damn thing and sit back and enjoy the show.
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10/26/2008 02:11 PM (UTC)
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whut da fuck!!! this ain't no damn powder puff game,dc knew what they was getting into,what dc want to put their arm in the mix so they can be apart of a real fighting game,that's what it seems like to me,hey dc why don't we brighting the lights when they say FINISH HIM.bicth
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10/26/2008 02:25 PM (UTC)
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This was expected, I mean when you saw Joker's fatality..you knew that it was too much. I remember getting MK 1 on the SNES...Dissapointed I was wwith no blood and censored fatalities...but I played the game to death because of the other ingredients. Lets hope that the rest of MK vs DC 's ingredients (gameplay! etc) are enuff to make a good meal :D cuz it SHOULD.
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10/26/2008 02:31 PM (UTC)
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I knew this would happen.
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10/26/2008 02:39 PM (UTC)
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Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
I feel sorry for people in general who buy MK only for fatalities.

These are the fans that have also let MK get away with terrible gameplay over the last 10 years.



Finally, a voice of reason!!

I can understand that some players are drawn to MK purely because of the over-the-top violence. This game, however, was not made for you. The Midway team is consciously trying to market itself to a wider audience for this particular release. Some of you may not buy it because it's not gory enough, but there will be others who will step in and buy it for the other reason. Not to mention the fact that more people will take a look at the game because it is a better quality game!

More importantly, I cannot understand how anyone would not buy a game that *looks* like it will have very solid gameplay, great characters and a great story. If over the top fatalities outweigh all of that for you, then I feel sorry for you. You may miss out on a very good game.

I am happy to see the team move in a direction towards a more serious fighter. Instead of relying on the gore to bring in fans, they have had to instead focus on the ACTUAL gameplay. The truth of the matter is that the reliance on gore and the lack of attention to actual story and gameplay is probably what led many fans to walk away from the game in the first place.

I also don't need to remind you that the game is STILL quite brutal when you compare it to the other fighters.
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