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WarriorPrincess
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 •10/29/2008 02:05 AM (UTC) •
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I agree 100% with 34_ThaTruth_34 & Oracle.
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 •10/29/2008 04:19 AM (UTC) •
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SubMan799 Wrote:
And now we get a game that has gameplay that looks great.



BAHAHA.... no
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 •10/29/2008 07:11 AM (UTC) •
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This thread should be closed due to repetition.
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 •10/29/2008 08:49 AM (UTC) •
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he essence of Mortal Kombat is NOT blood and gore, its Martial Arts and Mysticism. If it was just about Blood and Gore all of the MK clones (Killer Instinct, Primal Rage, Biofreaks, Mace: The Dark Age etc.. ) of the 90's would still be around selling like hot cakes.
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•10/29/2008 12:53 PM (UTC) •
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34_ThaTruth_34 Wrote:
Seems to me that this game is being made by the same people who always do Mortal Kombat, its being Published by Midway as always, the only difference is it has DC characters.

Seems to me, and I may be way off, that DC has probably already gotten paid for the use of their characters. If this is the case, then why do they care if Midway sells X amount of copies.

To me, this is DC wanting to keep it a T rating to keep their children readers from seeing batman set on fire or shot in the head.

I don't blame them for this. I blame midway. Midway has been struggling in the red for years now and this whole idea of a game seems like a gimmick to make money. Its unfortunate they didn't even attempt to appeal to their customers, but rather to DC's. I much would have rather them gone after a Marvel license agreement, because as we all know, Marvel doesn't care which of their characters get mutilated, as long as it looks incredible as its happening.

I really wish Boon could get Motal Kombat out from under Midway. Everything midway touches becomes absolute garbage.


To people who say Mortal Kombat doesn't need Fatalities... I'm a 27 year old man who's followed this franchise since the very first game in the arcade. I've been a fan of the series for as long as I have the Red Sox or Celtics, this game has ALWAYS been about being the first one in the local arcade to figure out the fatalities... where to stand, what to press, etc.

Everyone figured out the moves, that was nothing, it was all about seeing the guys reaction next to you the first time you ripped the shit out of him.

MK vs DC isn't about them giving us another great Mortal Kombat game. All it's about is Midway trying to make some Holiday profit to try to stay out of Bankruptcy again this December. Its unfortunate us people who have followed the game our whole lives are the ones who get shafted.


Oh yea, LOL @ DC. Midway couldn't even spend the extra dough to get the good comic franchise. Yay I get to play as batman and his bat belt. sleep


LOL, What i've been trying to say for the past five days! Yes, the MK team need to leave midway.
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•10/29/2008 01:00 PM (UTC) •
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Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
he essence of Mortal Kombat is NOT blood and gore, its Martial Arts and Mysticism. If it was just about Blood and Gore all of the MK clones (Killer Instinct, Primal Rage, Biofreaks, Mace: The Dark Age etc.. ) of the 90's would still be around selling like hot cakes.


Lets take it back to '92...MK didn't get famous for its martial arts or mysticism...wtf? So it was it's "martial arts" and "mysticism" that made it so damn controversial? It was martial arts that actually turned it into a franchise? BLOOD is apart of MK. Blood is what made the game. Blood is what made it different from all the other street fighter clones. But, your opinion is yours. The "essence" is the martial arts, mysticism AND last but not least, blood". Lets see what will happen if you go making a MK game with ONLY martial arts and mysticism and lets see what you get, LMAO.
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 •10/29/2008 03:01 PM (UTC) •
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OMG!, you people are insane if you think that blood and gore weren't a essential part of MK's success. MK came out in a time where it needed to be shocking to get ahead in a market where fighters like Street Fighter were the dominant brand. Had MK 1 & MK 2 not had fatalities, no one would have taken a second look at MK, and that's just the truth, and I'm sure Ed Boon and his team know it too. Fatalities, blood (even though I don't care for the pools of it) and gore are just as much a vital part of Mk as the martial arts and myths. And to get rid of them you are getting rid of essentially the games heart and soul, the stuff it was based on and loved, the stuff that got MK off the ground.
That would be like Namco removing weapons from Soul Caliber, and putting every character in their game in a modern 2008 setting, elections and all.
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 •10/29/2008 03:16 PM (UTC) •
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okie dokey smokey! i was going to wait b4 freaking out......but i just saw the video for "Fatality Friday" and i have to say.......the finishing moves absolutely S-U-C-K! the heroic Brutalities are totally lame and the fatality for the Joker which was decent, has now been censored???? boy i bet they are really regretting going for a " T " rating now! i am trying to understand the whole wider audience thing, but M K is associated with Blood and Violence so trying to market it to children or teens was not the greatest of ideas in my opinion! hey look what happened to AVP , they took two brutally violent series and toned it down to PG-13 and we all know how well that peice of garbage was received!!! i have waited patiently for the "darker" sequel that was promised after Armageddon and this is what i get for my loyalty? lastly Raiden's "Fatality?" was especially lame, as the bolt of lightniong strikes the opponent, the character model is just "swapped" for a skeleton and you can actually see the swap take place! i am starting to get very, very worried, and if other gamers laughed at me b4 for liking MK then they are going to have a hay day on me after MK vs. DC confused
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 •10/29/2008 06:46 PM (UTC) •
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WarriorPrincess Wrote:
OMG!, you people are insane if you think that blood and gore weren't a essential part of MK's success. MK came out in a time where it needed to be shocking to get ahead in a market where fighters like Street Fighter were the dominant brand. Had MK 1 & MK 2 not had fatalities, no one would have taken a second look at MK, and that's just the truth, and I'm sure Ed Boon and his team know it too. Fatalities, blood (even though I don't care for the pools of it) and gore are just as much a vital part of Mk as the martial arts and myths. And to get rid of them you are getting rid of essentially the games heart and soul, the stuff it was based on and loved, the stuff that got MK off the ground.
That would be like Namco removing weapons from Soul Caliber, and putting every character in their game in a modern 2008 setting, elections and all.

Yes Mortal Kombat's initial success in the early 90's was due to it's blood and gore, nobody is going debate that, whats up for debate is if its crucial to the franchise NOW given that there are several ultraviolent titles on the market now that do it better. To say a franchise will live and die solely based on its sheer level of violence or lack there of in this day and age is asinine. Whats crucial to this franchise now is its characters and giving us half decent gameplay.
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•10/29/2008 07:20 PM (UTC) •
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Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
WarriorPrincess Wrote:
OMG!, you people are insane if you think that blood and gore weren't a essential part of MK's success. MK came out in a time where it needed to be shocking to get ahead in a market where fighters like Street Fighter were the dominant brand. Had MK 1 & MK 2 not had fatalities, no one would have taken a second look at MK, and that's just the truth, and I'm sure Ed Boon and his team know it too. Fatalities, blood (even though I don't care for the pools of it) and gore are just as much a vital part of Mk as the martial arts and myths. And to get rid of them you are getting rid of essentially the games heart and soul, the stuff it was based on and loved, the stuff that got MK off the ground.
That would be like Namco removing weapons from Soul Caliber, and putting every character in their game in a modern 2008 setting, elections and all.

Yes Mortal Kombat's initial success in the early 90's was due to it's blood and gore, nobody is going debate that, whats up for debate is if its crucial to the franchise NOW given that there are several ultraviolent titles on the market now that do it better. To say a franchise will live and die solely based on its sheer level of violence or lack there of in this day and age is asinine. Whats crucial to this franchise now is its characters and giving us half decent gameplay.


As stated countless times before, midway gave you crappy gameplay because they just did, it had nothing to do with them sacrificing it for blood effects and fatals. I don't even know how there can even be a blood vs game play debate? Blood and fatals aren't getting in the way of gameplay and they aren't even on the same level or catagory. Also, if MK9 had fantastic characters and gameplay but NO blood, see how fast it would turn people off. Just see. Maybe you wouldn't care if the next true MK game had blood or fatals but I'm telling you that if you did a poll most MK fans would vote against you. But the debate is whether or not blood is crucial to MK NOW? Very much so! Its apart of it! Its like if nintendo changed Mario into a goth...thats not Mario, his RED hat is APART of him, it may not have any thing to do with gameplay but its something that we need. Thats how blood is with MK. Also, MK IS WHAT STARTED IT ALL BLOOD WISE. It's the king, its the original, why should that change and how does a few other violent games change blood from being an important element in MK and vice versa? Sounds kinda stupid huh?
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 •10/29/2008 08:24 PM (UTC) •
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man i'm loving this! i can see the mk fans raving your saying words that i tried to say but couldn't put in the right words. i'm truely greatful! if only there was some way i could make this game what it should be i would! unfortunately all i can do is type words. but i love the fact that the true mk fans are expressing themselves like i am! keep up the good work and don't stop. by the way check out the petition link i posted on page five and sign your signature to it let the world know just how much of an mk fan you truely are! i'll post it here once more.


http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/mkvsdcmrating/?e

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 •10/29/2008 08:28 PM (UTC) •
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Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
he essence of Mortal Kombat is NOT blood and gore, its Martial Arts and Mysticism. If it was just about Blood and Gore all of the MK clones (Killer Instinct, Primal Rage, Biofreaks, Mace: The Dark Age etc.. ) of the 90's would still be around selling like hot cakes.


First off, KI had no blood & gore.

Second blood & gore is what had MK make history. Any game trying to copy that will be caught on its bullshit immediately.
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 •10/29/2008 08:54 PM (UTC) •
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ProfesserAhnka Wrote:


Hey man, can I just ask (because I am very confused and very surprised) what made you suddenly hate this game?

I've seen soooo many posts here and I still don't really get it, because just a few days ago you were one of it's biggest supporters and fans, and I mean one of the BIGGEST.

Is this just because of the censored fatality? Is there any more?

I ask this politely, you know I love you, but it's just that I find it shcoking to see you hating this game so much when a few days ago you were defending it and loving it with the same intense passion you now hate it.

Why is this?

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•10/29/2008 09:04 PM (UTC) •
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queve Wrote:
ProfesserAhnka Wrote:


Hey man, can I just ask (because I am very confused and very surprised) what made you suddenly hate this game?

I've seen soooo many posts here and I still don't really get it, because just a few days ago you were one of it's biggest supporters and fans, and I mean one of the BIGGEST.

Is this just because of the censored fatality? Is there any more?

I ask this politely, you know I love you, but it's just that I find it shcoking to see you hating this game so much when a few days ago you were defending it and loving it with the same intense passion you now hate it.

Why is this?

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I'm bi-polar,lol. JK. Its the censoring really and I guess i'm just a little mad about it. I still might get the game but i'm not gung ho, i mean off screen? The only good thing about the game is Sonya, about time midway did her justice. But it feels like midway's selling out.
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 •10/29/2008 09:15 PM (UTC) •
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yea i will explain.. and thanks for asking. it is because of the fatality toning. not just the jokers fatality, they're gonna tone all of em down. although it was one of my favorites. i've seen the story mode videos they are awsome! although without a little gore its just not mk. it doesn't feel right playing it.
this game has a lot of good features in it i like the fighting mechanics. also when i first saw the joker's fatality i was blown away! it did look great more cool than graphic. i'm mad and appalled that they want to change the softcore gore, and leave nothing basically. how can anyone play an mk game without a fatality? its just unreal even if the fatalities are there they aren't going to be any fun to perform. so thats why i'm upset. thank you again for asking
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 •10/30/2008 02:31 AM (UTC) •
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I've read the posts and everyone's arguments. Currently I stand on neutral ground about buying this game. When the game was announced, I was a bit shaky on the idea. Then I saw the Joker 's Fatality that was released a few months ago and I thought that MAYBE it could work. Now the toning down happens. =_=.

Gameplay is important. Anyone who says other wise is full of it because no one wants to play a game with retarded controls. But even as I type this post now, I'm watching my roommate play MKD, knocking Hotaru into a grinder and now I will side completely 100% with those who have stated that the gore and fatalities are what make Mortal Kombat. I mean without it, it is just another fighting game. DOA has it's girls, Soul Calibur has it's weapons, Street Fighter it's fast arcade play and projectiles, and Tekken is just...Tekken XD.

Mortal Kombat has it's over the top gore. Call me shallow but, if I want a nice fighter with tight controls and good graphics, I go play Soul Calibur, DOA or Tekken. But if I just feel like demolishing and tearing my opponents apart, I play Mortal Kombat. You can't Kasumi tear off Tina's leg and beat her senseless with it (Lulz, Quanchi's MK 4 Fatality FTW!) in Dead or Alive.

MK Vs. DCU is whatever to me now. I will rent it because I wanna experience all the new shit that they've added gameplay wise. That and I don't really like Superman that much and I'd like to have Kitana throw her fan into his chest and kill him. Or lighting his ass on fire with Scorpion.


....I'm still waiting on a real sequel. You know, the one where it's supposed to be darker, gritter, more violent and basically revamped Mortal Kombat to fix the fuckage that was known as MKA. Yeah.
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 •10/30/2008 04:05 AM (UTC) •
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to KING OF EDENIA you rule no argument i completely agree theres no way in hell that mk vs dc can even come close to the fun thats in other mk titles! if it weren't for mk fatalities there wouldn't be any mk! and thats exactly what this game isn't! i guess peoples minds work differently i can't for the life of me understand how anyone could play mk without fatalities, decent ones that is, uncut and uncensored! you pointed out how other games or good fighting games, i agree 110% mk should stay mk! i'm wanting that title promised to us also, the darker version! looks like we'll be waiting for another 2 years if not longer! i can't stand the super heroes added to the game either! when i heard the fatalities were added i was willing to look passed that, now its back to square one for me! the fighting mechanics do look cool as i've stated in a recent post. as for as renting or buying the game theres no way. it just doesn't feel right.
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 •10/30/2008 05:12 AM (UTC) •
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Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
he essence of Mortal Kombat is NOT blood and gore, its Martial Arts and Mysticism. If it was just about Blood and Gore all of the MK clones (Killer Instinct, Primal Rage, Biofreaks, Mace: The Dark Age etc.. ) of the 90's would still be around selling like hot cakes.


no thats where your wrong! mk had its on feel to it, those games you stated above... the only one i liked was killer instinct, although it was no mortal kombat! the characters are way cooler with a unique design. who cares about what that franchise did or does with their game! in the future mk should have stayed true to its morals and gore since it was so important! the only thing that makes mk suck today is the fatalities are gone! the characters still look great! the fact that no brutalness can be inflicted on them is laughable! if a new version of killer instinct or any other fatality game was released i probably wouldn't like it cause its not mortal kombat! now mk is in the category of the games you listed, just cloned with the same characters minus the blood and gore! the game is useless!
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 •10/30/2008 05:18 AM (UTC) •
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Riyakou Wrote:
Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
he essence of Mortal Kombat is NOT blood and gore, its Martial Arts and Mysticism. If it was just about Blood and Gore all of the MK clones (Killer Instinct, Primal Rage, Biofreaks, Mace: The Dark Age etc.. ) of the 90's would still be around selling like hot cakes.


First off, KI had no blood & gore.

Second blood & gore is what had MK make history. Any game trying to copy that will be caught on its bullshit immediately.


right on i totally agree!!!
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 •10/30/2008 05:22 AM (UTC) •
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fuck it, just give everyone a heroic brutality!!!!


thats probably what they'll do! just to piss us off even more!!!!
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 •10/30/2008 05:27 AM (UTC) •
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yeah this really sucks :(


definitely!
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 •10/30/2008 05:29 AM (UTC) •
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^^LMAO...dude, havn't you been told about the triple posting thing once before.....wasn't it like 5 pages back....

Anyway. I agree with Von Zombie on this one. No one is saying the blood and gore didn't make MK successful. But it's not what kept it successful. Theres a lot more meat to the franchise (charactars, story, atmosphere, etc.) that kept the series from falling by the wayside(unlike it's ultra violent clones which is all they had going for them).

I admire the passion from everyone on this thread, I really do. But as far as ultra violent goes....MK is not the king of the mountain anymore. Boon has been preaching since the early days of Armageddon that the next game would change everything, "wipe the slate clean" was his exact words. That meant that ultimatly NOTHING was safe....it appears not even the gore. While I will admit that the fatals being watered down is a bummer, the game looks too amazing to ignore DISPITE that reason.
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 •10/30/2008 05:30 AM (UTC) •
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or just give everyone friendships, that'll be approved. think about it, instead of scorpians flame fatality, he can walk up to the person, and give them a kiss. T RATINGS for EVERYONE!!


LOL LOL LOL LOL! hey that may be exactly what they do, you never know with the stupid people in charge of this franchise today!
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 •10/30/2008 05:39 AM (UTC) •
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MK vs Marvel Universe would have gotten the same rating as MK vs DCU. ALL of Marvel's video games are teen rated. And DC has done more violent things than Marvel, with Prime alone (He heat visioned a pregnant woman to ashes, ripped off one guy's arm...twice, punched off a girl's head, heat visioned off another dude's head. Beat the original 30s-40s Superman to death, blood everywhere, etc). Hell, in the Green Lantern: Sinestro Corps War Special last year, several GLs got killed badly, one got a headshot through the head, sending blood, guts, and an eye flying out. Its them trying to be accessible, not a company thing, as neither side has had an M rated game.

At this point, I'll sacrifice some blood and gore, if that game brings improved gameplay, which it seems it has. Every fan enjoys fanservice, but sometimes, you need to eat more than just a mound of frosting in the shape of a cake, sometimes, you need the baked goods as well. The meat of the game, not just the seasoning. MK needed that big serious gameplay boost before it needed another gore-fest. That being said, I look forward to the gore-fest being added to serious gameplay in MK9.
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 •10/30/2008 05:44 AM (UTC) •
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^^LMAO...dude, havn't you been told about the triple posting thing once before.....wasn't it like 5 pages back....

Anyway. I agree with Von Zombie on this one. No one is saying the blood and gore didn't make MK successful. But it's not what kept it successful. Theres a lot more meat to the franchise (charactars, story, atmosphere, etc.) that kept the series from falling by the wayside(unlike it's ultra violent clones which is all they had going for them).

I admire the passion from everyone on this thread, I really do. But as far as ultra violent goes....MK is not the king of the mountain anymore. Boon has been preaching since the early days of Armageddon that the next game would change everything, "wipe the slate clean" was his exact words. That meant that ultimatly NOTHING was safe....it appears not even the gore. While I will admit that the fatals being watered down is a bummer, the game looks too amazing to ignore DISPITE that reason.


i'll quadruple post if i want to i don't care who you agree or disagree with
your the one that should get it through your head that mk is all about blood and gore! it doesn't have to be over the top but it must be there! deal with it! thats just the way it is! i'm not the only one who knows so! and by the way just make complaints about me to the people in charge of this website i don't care! have my account cancelled! you shouldn't care what anyone says anyway! your gonna be pleased with the game! its still gonna sell well! you'll be playing the game in a couple of weeks anyways and having fun with it! me and my fellow mk fans won't!
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