Hahaha frost was a example of what u did. Go back a read your list again. Also did u really put jax under farmer? The interview was at e3 some time ago I believe. I am too lazy to go look for a video for u but if u don't believe me just ask others.

C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!!

Still hoping that the Shoalin boot attire is actually a female and not Liu Kang.

You are in such a PATHETIC and MISERABLE condition now ! Restrain yourself. You do not have the right to Humiliate anyone! Be careful about the words you choose ! get a life ! and learn some respect ! Your act towards me unacceptable ! You are much worse than the 'creature '...

I really wish that some of you who keep crying about diversity would either admit that you only want more women because they're women or go bother some other fanbase. Have any of you actually taken a long, hard look at who has been revealed so far? Diversity goes way past the two sexes, but given all the threads about this subject I understand that I'm talking to people who are woefully short-sighted. I'm fine with the opinion that MK could use more women, but for fuck's sake stop being so dishonest about it. Not everyone wants the same game you do, and it's pretty obvious that NRS isn't going to make the game that you want. So again, instead of ruining the fun for the majority (who are quite happy with what we're being given) with your politics, just admit that you want more women for the sake of it. It's not hard. See?



I agree with the middle blurb, disagree with the end. As someone else said before, if you count Torr with the males, you must count Ferra with the females. Counting one and not the other shows that you're full of shit and only trying to make the numbers look better for you, and that goes for both sides of this dead horse argument.

On another note, never mind all the posts about NRS making promises... if that's your argument, at least provide proof. That applies to all other unsubstantiated claims as well, because this:



... is what we call talking out of your ass.



I just hope it's not Liu Kang, I don't care who it is. We have more than enough dead people returning already.

So just to make things perfectly clear, when you posit "hard questions" like:

and

...we are to understand that there are absolutely no ulterior motives or implications to be found here, is that correct?

Actually I feel pretty good. About to get hired at a hotel so there's that. I shall not restrain myself. I don't have the right, but I choose to anyways. Words are only words, only crybabies and SJWs can't handle it. I have a life. I will not respect people on the internet, its the internet for gods sake. Only thing unacceptable is your damn way of saying things. You're right, I am worse than the creature...

I AM!!!..

Your joking right. Please tell me your joking. More guys play girl characters. Girls mostly pick boy characters. Look at that stupid smosh video for example. Who did the girl pick? The big brute. Also wtf Ferra is only at the end of combos. She is more like a tool if anything and do your own research if u really want to know.

I'm with you 100% on diversity not being reducible to sexual difference. That would be a ghastly error to commit.

Again, if you're lumping me in with the people who are "crying" about this, let me clarify my position: I don't care what the gender breakdown of this game is, one way or another. I'm not lobbying or advocating for any sort of thing.

I am more interested in how we think about gender, where our resistances in our thinking are located, and what the analysis of those resistances could reveal about how we're pre-situated to want and desire certain things in our media.

Simply because these questions are interesting to me. Hope that clarifies.

I'm not sure what my "ulterior motives" might be, other than I'm interested in hearing more from people about the reasons behind opinions they have already expressed.

Like, what am I going to do about it? I don't work for NRS. I'm not in the video game industry. I'm not in any position to make grand sweeping changes so the entire world conforms to my politics. And, luckily, my politics are critical of such fascist-zoid moves, so I am not sure what risks we take by just discussing these things on a message board.

So, yeah, I'm framing questions for discussion, to generate discussion, for my own intellectual curiosity about these topics. The fact that you insist I have "ulterior motives" for censoring you *might* indicate the type of discussion *you* want to have. But it's not a discussion of interest to me.

This proves your IGNORANCE and. ARROGANCE !! you are such a MEAN person What kind of a sick person you are that can EVEN say that I have a right to humiliate or bully someone You behaviour here is obviously disgusting !

Delia lacks feats though. Yeah she is an Edenian Sorceress/Lady Of Flame that can see into the future and created Blaze, but what has she actually done in the combat department?

Not saying she isn't powerful, but I think she is a different type of powerful.

There are 7. You missed one.

Before I start screaming curse words and derail this thread more, I shall leave you my dear MKO'er with this

THE BEAST

So your proof for your statement is that insufferable Smosh video, and you ask me if I'm joking? I'm not going to bother insulting you, because you've done that well enough on your own.

Wait, I changed my mind.





Let me begin by saying that no, I do not lump you in with that crowd. Our conversations have shown me that you're far too smart to count yourself with them. I used the diction that I did because I believe that the people who can't bear the fact that MKX isn't tailor-made for them are making that exact mistake. Fact of the matter is, you can't please everyone. The ratio of male to female characters never enters my mind when looking at a video game or any cast, for that matter. All I care about is whether or not the characters are written and designed well for what the creator is trying to convey. So far, I've liked what I've seen.

To address your questions, I will certainly say that some of those who are staunchly against adding more women hold that belief because they are resistant to change; quite frankly, they're no better than the people acting like spoiled brats on the other side. Maybe there are some who just don't want more women (or women at all). Finally, I believe that there are those who are like me, who just want to see well-written characters and wouldn't want someone like Ashrah in the game if it meant replacing a Reptile or Kung Lao. I'm more than fine with expanding the roster by a few to add more female characters.

I hope I've done a somewhat adequate job addressing you, eros. I'm just so enraged that we're even having this thread yet again.

Thanks. I completely agree. My hope is that NRS gives all of its characters as much depth as its faves; I'm sort of of the mind that if the writing is flat out amazing, issues like diversity of representation will solve themselves. I don't think you can have good writing with a homogeneous cast of characters or plot devices.

I also want to voice support for the poster who observed that women in MK, while sometimes underrepresented, often hold positions of extreme importance in the overall storyline (Sonya, Kitana, and Sindel come to mind here), and this shouldn't be taken for granted either.

I was just pointing something out. Do u really think a girl wants to see another girls boobs jiggle all over the place?

I'm sorry, but you really don't have any facts backing anything you say, and if your only evidence for guys picking girl characters more often than guy characters, is 1 stupid video, you're really grasping at nothing. Please educate yourself...

This forum itself is dominated by male fans, that have a male character as their favorite character.

Hell, using MK9's official site and looking at the "most played characters" list:

Here

You can check each version, and the top 7 characters on each console, are all male characters. MK's fanbase is mainly dominated by male fans, with female fans maybe being 1/30, if we're being generous.

Hell, Scorpion the PS3 alone has over 21 billion times played. Whereas the top female, Kitana, in 8th place, has been played just under 9 billion.

Look at the facts before you say outlandish things, and pass them off as some sort of real statistic to go by.

I said guys guys play more girls and girls play more guys.

You are falling down to your miserable hole when you choose to act rude towards me ! Everyone sees you POOR ! Did you get something when you altered my worda in such a pathetic way!!! Shame on you ! I'm calling the main responsible of this website to take a precaution for your immature and terrific words!!!

Do you really think you speak for all women?

(why aren't you SJWs jumping on this guy)



I had a hearty chuckle at that gif because Ina Garten is my girlfriend's favorite Food Network personality.

Well, I suppose you could have a solidly written cast that is homogenous. Nothing is impossible when it comes to writing. I will agree that diversity is better, given proper design across the board in both cases.

I too tip my hat to the poster who pointed out the women in positions of power in MK. Can't fathom some of these complaints when practically every other major fighter treats its women like eye candy.

I know what you said. I showed you why that is incorrect.

Look at the damn list of most played characters in MK9. If the MK fanbase mostly consists of males, why are the top 7 characters played on every console, all males? Not just by a small margin, but at its greatest difference, Scorpion has been played 12 BILLION times more than Kitana, who is the 8th most used character overall, and the most used female. What are you not understanding here? If most guys preferred to play as female characters, the top 3, or at least top 5, would have a couple of female characters in it.

Point is, you're wrong. There's pure 100% undeniable evidence right there. Scorpion, Sub-Zero, Raiden, Smoke, Cyrax, Johnny Cage, and Liu Kang are the 7 most played characters. ALL are male.

And, again, you're fucking wrong.

I'm pretty sure most girls don't like to play as a sexualized character. Also I'm sorry was there a test of what sex was playing who there too? Do think jades stripper pole win pose was put in for the girls or the guys. I'm going to go with for the guys

Hahah, sweet. Your girlfriend has great taste! "If you can't make your own mayonnaise using eggs from your Hampton's estate chicken coop, store-bought is fine. Just make sure it's really good mayonnaise." OKAY INA!

Back on topic: yeah, please don't mandate what all women want in their fighting game. You're not, presumably, Mel Gibson.

Wish I had the time and money to end this but sadly I dont.