i'm not sure if the thread is still on the topic or if people are just arguing back and forth

i as a female would like there to be more females but as my older brother has said before wish in hand and shit in the other and see which one comes first.

anyways first of all to all those who are complaining about the females in the games: i have included the following list of characters in the entire series either being guest, non-playable, etc etc and no as you can see no MKX cause we don't know how much people are there and i would rather wait to see how many people, who's in then to assume the numbers

MK1 1 FEMALE, 9 MALES
MK2 3 FEMALES, 13 MALES
MK3 3 FEMALES, 14 MALES
UMK3 6 FEMALES, 16 MALES
MKADV 5 FEMALES, 18 MALES
MKTRIL 7 FEMALES, 26 MALES
MK4 3 FEMALES, 16 MALES
MKG/5 4 FEMALES, 20 MALES
MKDA/6 4 FEMALES, 18 MALES
MKTE 2 FEMALES, 13 MALES
MKD/7 7 FEMALES, 21 MALES
MKUN 9 FEMALES, 22 MALES
MKA/8 14 FEMALES, 46 MALES
MKVSDC 4 FEMALES, 18 MALES
MK9 7 FEMALES, 29 MALES

so really you can all complain and bitch and fight with each other but as other people have listed they can not make everyone happy, NRS chooses who they want and why they are there, i'm just glad they aren't looking like strippers and they know how to make the females look like females now

once again i am a female and just glad that the girls they have so far look pretty bad ass, and let's face it games were always targeted to guys everyone should know this by now being young or older. if you are not happy with the outcome then it's easy don't play Mortal Kombat or go play the games where your favorite is in and enjoy.

that is all

To people that complain about people wanting more females in the game


The more ladies the better, also brings real ladies to play the game, which is a good thing.

also the argument to addd a women they must take away a malke charcter is dumb, they can just add more to the roster, duh

What the fuck does virginity have to do with one's opinion, preference, and it relating to gender equality? How old are you?

More female characters does not automatically equal more female fans playing the game. And why the hell does it matter if we get more female fans to play the game exactly? What are you basing any of this on? This all just seems so fucking random...

No, they can't just "add more characters" all willy-nilly as if there isn't such a thing as development time and budget.

Ina's quotes are legendary. Also, I'm pretty sure her husband is in the closet.

Fuck Ina!!! It's sll about Rachael Ray hahaha jk

I agree that adding more females does not necessarily lead to a larger female audience. However, speaking from an economic perspective, a wider buying-audience for MK makes more revenue for NRS, makes larger/better games/can afford more developers, salaries, etc. Not to mention the revenue streams from merchandising that expands to a wider market. So, I guess one may care about having more female fans to the extent that one should care about having more people spending money on this game at all.

As we were bringing up statistics earlier, I think it's important to note one that we frequently forget: over 50% of the world's population is female.

I think MK shows a lot of potential in recognizing that fact: for instance, the new generation of fighters is evenly split down the line between Jacqui/Cassie and Takeda/Kung Jin. It's a marked change from the original timeline, where you had the Earthrealm male heroes and Sonya got smurfette'd.

You could look at the inclusion of a female character as "taking a spot away" from a male character, but only if you think females and males operate in a contradictory opposition, where one negates the other. If you happen to find a lot more enjoyment in the male characters on the roster, and you would prefer to see more of them for whatever reason, then we're having a conversation about personal preferences and not about women encroaching on men's territories in video game rosters. Just as easily, I could say that adding men to the roster takes a spot away from a woman. But that's not logically sound.

I think you're the first person who I've acted like this towards. Call the main guy, all Mick is gonna do is reply with that scary ass Sheamus picture or warn or skull me. No one cares what good ol Murcie has to say. People love me. Maybe not love, but I believe im on the neutral side of MKO. AND HEY!! you're the one with the terrific words. I call you a creature and you go all off calling me arrogant, ignorant and all those other MKO worthy words.

By the way, you sound like a priest trying to exorcise a demon. Keep it up Granny.

First, I wanna say, thank you for being logical and mature, regardless of contrasting views.

I'm all for growing the fandom, be it female or not. Yes, the world's population of women is over 50%, but what we're really focusing on is the gaming community. What percentage of gamers are female? What percentage of gamers like fighting games? What percentage of gamers like violent games? These are all important factors at play here. On top of those, I should add, how many female gamers are going to give the game a chance, that otherwise wouldn't, just because the roster has a 1/3 or 1/2 female presence, as opposed to 1/4? This is what it all really comes down to.

I, personally, do not think MKX having 10 female characters, instead of 7, is going to make that difference. I also don't think if it had 12 female characters, instead of 7, would make that difference. Female gamers, who are the minority in that situation(we're not talking overall population), who like fighting games, and who like violence...I don't see them letting the presence of 7 vs. 12 female characters make or break their decision to be an MK fan and buy the games.

Skull Girls is made up of 100% female characters if I remember correctly(been a bit since I played it last), and I don't think that series is dominated by female fans, nor would I say the ratio of women to men of that fandom, is drastically different than MK has.

We're also under the assumption that women will only play a fighting game, if they have a female character to gravitate towards, and that 7 being in the game isn't enough variety to choose from. Because I'd imagine there's plenty of female MK fans, that like a lot of the male characters too, and are just fine with the way things are. That most people, male or female, will like a character regardless of gender, as long as that character has something they find likable and appealing(color scheme, moveset, gameplay feel, story etc.).

The last part I agree with your logic, it can go both ways. That's why I think they should just include the characters they want to include, and not focus on whether they are male or female. That shouldn't be a main factor when deciding who to include. Just go with the ones that they feel fit the story, offer a nice variety gameplay wise, make sure to include some fan favorites, and call it a day. I never intended to make it seem as if a female being included is taking a man's spot, but choosing to not include someone in favor of someone else, purely on gender, is a no no. In reality, if this were real, how great would you feel, if you were chosen based on gender/race rather than personality/skills/merit etc. Same applies for the characters here, just in a different setting.

You cannot hurt me with your foolishness ! Do you think I really care what you say I only POINT OUT your rudeness so that everyone can see Your Pathetic Fool Attitude !!

Smh

If that's your reply to well-reasoned logic, then we're done here.

I did that cus I was agreeing with that all this time. Maybe if u would stop trying to look for a fight u would have seen that.

I am in total agreement on a lot of points here. The presumption that women only want to play as women, and men only want to play as men, is silly and clearly not an indicative marker one can use to predict/determine the audience of a game.

I really liked how you framed this question "how many female gamers are going to give the game a chance, that otherwise wouldn't, just because the roster has a 1/3 or 1/2 female presence, as opposed to 1/4?" and it's hitting an important point. We can't calculate in advance any number that would make a video game have an acceptable representation of women.

I think this is both the strength and the weakness of the Bechdel test. Used correctly, the test is meant to highlight a trend in a given market -- as a critique, it can expose a trend as symptomatic of a larger problem, given the prevalence of films that tend to fail the test over those that pass it.

However, it can't by itself be used to say "this movie is feminist" or "this movie isn't feminist" based on whether or not the movie passes the test. I would say Princess Mononoke is a feminist film, but I wouldn't say that because it passes the Bechdel test. Similarly, we can see a trend in fighting games that feature men disproportionately more than women. This doesn't make the game "sexist," but it can reveal attitudes we have about the role of women in society, our expectations for their desires/presentations/behaviors, and how markets rely on these expectations to sell games.

Then, if we would like, we can examine what these expectations we have really say about gender, if they say anything at all, and if we don't like what they say, we can work to change them. But it's not the responsibility of Mortal fricking Kombat to do so, and I wouldn't even say Mortal Kombat is a sexist franchise. It's part of a larger market that already works through reiterating certain tropes, some of which are obviously sexist, and some of which are not.

Now I am ranting, so I am going to make like a good food network host and buy some unsalted butter to make a turnover for my closeted gay billionaire husband.

Well said

It's also important to note, on the sexism and feminist front, that the number of playable females vs. playable males isn't indicative of how they treat their female characters in terms of story, personality, and strength etc.

Sonya is a strong female character. She's not treated as a damsel or a piece of eye candy. She's not treated as the ditsy dumb female who gets by on looks. In fact, I'd say no female in the MK franchise falls into those categories. Most of them are either powerful: mentally, physically, and/or emotionally. They have a sense of elegance, respect, power, or regal quality to them.

Obviously some are better utilized than others, but none are simply there for the stereotypical or sexist roles that would give off a sense of unfair treatment.

It was odd to see sindel with such a amazing body and a old face hahaha (I know they use the same model)

Then say you agree. "smh" implies that you don't.

I smh because u been calling me names and fighting me all this time for what? Smh

Bitches crying about more bitches

Lol I can only think of the fun this topic would have if it were on Tumblr. Wannabe social justice workers on there would have a field trip.

Anyways, it just boils down to the story. If NRS has a certain story direction for a female character and really want to push her to be pertinent in the story, then I'm all for it. If NRS has a certain story direction for a male character, then I'm all for it too.

Otherwise, adding a female and taking out a male just to even out the ratio is pretty dumb. Maybe unless that female will have more story prevalence then that male grunt. However, I firmly believe NRS has a story role for each of the roster slots as of now.

I was reading the posts in this thread one by one in order, and I laughed a great deal when I got to this one.

Reading the last few posts, on the final page of the thread, all I can think is, in what ass-backward world does anyone consider MK Gold MK5?

MK Gold is clearly just an update of 4, like Trilogy is to 3, or Unchained is to Deception. It's not its own unique game in the numbering, nor do I believe most people consider it to be. Gold = 4. MKDA = 5. MKD = 6. MKA = 7. MKvsDC = 8. MK Reboot = 9.

I'm aware MK vs DC is non-canon and it's rather stupid and imperfect to include it in the numbering, but be that as it may, that's still the typically accepted numbering, and also how we arrive at "MK9" and "MKX" I have never seen anyone claim MKG was #5 before now, to my knowledge.

I prefer to play as a female when I play videogames, because I am female myself.

But I think it makes sense to have more male kharakters, in Mortal Kombat. In general, men are more muscular and physically stronger than women and a little bit more prepared for kombat.

But I'd be glad if 2 or 3 more female kharakters suddenly became konfirmed for MKX... especially if one of those kharakters is....... TANYA, MAYBE?????

*sigh* lol

I'm fine with there being more male characters than female. What I'm not fine with is when half the females are ones we already got in MK9 and the other half are daughters of characters that were in MK9. D'Vorah is the only new female that actually looks interesting and different(not counting Ferra as she and Torr work together; they're unisex). Why not grow on developing past characters that weren't in MK9 that would actually add diversity to the roster like Tanya, Li Mei, or even Frost? And saying that they don't fit in the story isn't a good argument. I mean, if they can squeeze characters like Reptile, Ermac and Kenshi in the story then they can easily do it for those characters.

WE NEED MORE FEMALES

You forgot INJUSTICE homie. I don't know exat number, cuz I never played it, just took a look at select screen for few seconds and saw no more than 6 females, all the rest were males.