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06/08/2010 08:25 PM (UTC)
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Well, I for one, am glad, but I can see why people wouldn't be glad. Twisted Metal Black was one of my favorite games of all time, and definitely my favorite story, and this is a mix between the two. I'm thrilled.
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06/08/2010 08:26 PM (UTC)
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Septar Wrote:
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
So glad this if fake.

In terms of production value, it's looks good. But in concept, this is just overwhelming with stupid.

Baraka is a plastic surgeon? Serious does not mean better; for fantasy stories, realistic typically means worse. Why would anyone want MK to resemble the Saw franchise? Did it not sway them when that franchised sucked 5 movies in a row?

All this shows me is that people think MK fans only want blood and guts, but if you look at this forum alone, you'd know 90% of the conversations are based around the story and gameplay.


You guys are morons resistant to change. Sorry ladies, it's time to grow up.


You're going to call someone a moron and then ask them to grow up? Check yourself at the door.
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06/08/2010 08:27 PM (UTC)
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Septar Wrote:
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
So glad this if fake.

In terms of production value, it's looks good. But in concept, this is just overwhelming with stupid.

Baraka is a plastic surgeon? Serious does not mean better; for fantasy stories, realistic typically means worse. Why would anyone want MK to resemble the Saw franchise? Did it not sway them when that franchised sucked 5 movies in a row?

All this shows me is that people think MK fans only want blood and guts, but if you look at this forum alone, you'd know 90% of the conversations are based around the story and gameplay.


You guys are morons resistant to change. Sorry ladies, it's time to grow up.

So if Lord of the Rings was a realistic crime drama without fantasy elements, it would be WAY improved, right?

Moron or not, I'm smart enough to know that turning any MK character into a plastic surgeon is complete fail.


~Crow~ Wrote:


You're going to call someone a moron and then ask them to grow up? Check yourself at the door.

Thank you.
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06/08/2010 08:28 PM (UTC)
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It's not a "fake", it's a demo reel.

Either way, I'm simultaneously relieved and terrified.

It being just a movie that might not even be made means this grimdark no-magic no-fun bullshit hasn't contaminated the actual game franchise...yet.

Terrified because of the "yet". Now that people actually LIKE this "There is no Outworld, Baraka is a doctor who went crazy" crap, the possibility now exists that one day they really WILL go down this road and everything I love about the franchise will be dead.

A No-Win Scenario.

Lovely.


Hm. I have to say...the thought of Baraka in med school does sound like good fun. grin
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06/08/2010 08:28 PM (UTC)
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Septar Wrote:
The one in the trailer is a different angle so it had to have come from a different render. Plus there are several different tiny details.


Photoshop much>?
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06/08/2010 08:28 PM (UTC)
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Septar Wrote:
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
So glad this if fake.

In terms of production value, it's looks good. But in concept, this is just overwhelming with stupid.

Baraka is a plastic surgeon? Serious does not mean better; for fantasy stories, realistic typically means worse. Why would anyone want MK to resemble the Saw franchise? Did it not sway them when that franchised sucked 5 movies in a row?

All this shows me is that people think MK fans only want blood and guts, but if you look at this forum alone, you'd know 90% of the conversations are based around the story and gameplay.


You guys are morons resistant to change. Sorry ladies, it's time to grow up.


Because refitting a long running series into a 13-year-old's concept of cool is really grown up.
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06/08/2010 08:29 PM (UTC)
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THAT WAS FUCKING AWESOME! hope to god its the real deal.
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06/08/2010 08:30 PM (UTC)
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Septar Wrote:
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
So glad this if fake.

In terms of production value, it's looks good. But in concept, this is just overwhelming with stupid.

Baraka is a plastic surgeon? Serious does not mean better; for fantasy stories, realistic typically means worse. Why would anyone want MK to resemble the Saw franchise? Did it not sway them when that franchised sucked 5 movies in a row?

All this shows me is that people think MK fans only want blood and guts, but if you look at this forum alone, you'd know 90% of the conversations are based around the story and gameplay.


You guys are morons resistant to change. Sorry ladies, it's time to grow up.

So if Lord of the Rings was a realistic crime drama without fantasy elements, it would be WAY improved, right?

Moron or not, I'm smart enough to know that turning any MK character into a plastic surgeon is complete fail.


Honestly, to argue against your argument, but not saying you're a moron because I respect your opinion and you're a cool guy.

Honestly though, I'm done with story when it comes to MK. I see how good the games are, gameplay wise, that have no story. Again, you may not like DOA or SF4 or Tekken, but I think those games are superior to MK. I want the game to still retain somewhat of a story, but not so much time.

Those games are so good because only 10% of the time is spent on story, and 90% is put into the gameplay and characters. MK is 50-50. Now, if they can put more effort into the gameplay, I'll be fine with the story element suffering.

Overall though, I can see why you'd be upset.
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06/08/2010 08:30 PM (UTC)
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Before people start assuming things I think it would be safe to stay updated on this at TRMK HERE
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06/08/2010 08:30 PM (UTC)
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OptimusGrime Wrote:
Septar Wrote:
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
So glad this if fake.

In terms of production value, it's looks good. But in concept, this is just overwhelming with stupid.

Baraka is a plastic surgeon? Serious does not mean better; for fantasy stories, realistic typically means worse. Why would anyone want MK to resemble the Saw franchise? Did it not sway them when that franchised sucked 5 movies in a row?

All this shows me is that people think MK fans only want blood and guts, but if you look at this forum alone, you'd know 90% of the conversations are based around the story and gameplay.


You guys are morons resistant to change. Sorry ladies, it's time to grow up.


Because refitting a long running series into a 13-year-old's concept of cool is really grown up.


Which MK1-to MKA was essentially. NOTHING screams as much as 90s and 90s antihero than Mortal Kombat...

You all forgetting the difference stylistic or conceptual change.
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06/08/2010 08:31 PM (UTC)
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Actually, the recent storyline and characters in the games is more along the lines of a 13 year old's concept of cool if you ask me.
I mean, they even look like action figures!
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06/08/2010 08:31 PM (UTC)
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~Crow~ Wrote:
Septar Wrote:
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
So glad this if fake.

In terms of production value, it's looks good. But in concept, this is just overwhelming with stupid.

Baraka is a plastic surgeon? Serious does not mean better; for fantasy stories, realistic typically means worse. Why would anyone want MK to resemble the Saw franchise? Did it not sway them when that franchised sucked 5 movies in a row?

All this shows me is that people think MK fans only want blood and guts, but if you look at this forum alone, you'd know 90% of the conversations are based around the story and gameplay.


You guys are morons resistant to change. Sorry ladies, it's time to grow up.


You're going to call someone a moron and then ask them to grow up? Check yourself at the door.

Nice ad hominem attack.

TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Septar Wrote:
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
So glad this if fake.

In terms of production value, it's looks good. But in concept, this is just overwhelming with stupid.

Baraka is a plastic surgeon? Serious does not mean better; for fantasy stories, realistic typically means worse. Why would anyone want MK to resemble the Saw franchise? Did it not sway them when that franchised sucked 5 movies in a row?

All this shows me is that people think MK fans only want blood and guts, but if you look at this forum alone, you'd know 90% of the conversations are based around the story and gameplay.


You guys are morons resistant to change. Sorry ladies, it's time to grow up.

So if Lord of the Rings was a realistic crime drama without fantasy elements, it would be WAY improved, right?

Moron or not, I'm smart enough to know that turning any MK character into a plastic surgeon is complete fail.

~Crow~ Wrote:


You're going to call someone a moron and then ask them to grow up? Check yourself at the door.

Thank you.

Baraka being a plastic surgeon would be the only way they'd be able to have him do so much self mutilation and not kill himself. It's called consistency.

OptimusGrime Wrote:
Septar Wrote:
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
So glad this if fake.

In terms of production value, it's looks good. But in concept, this is just overwhelming with stupid.

Baraka is a plastic surgeon? Serious does not mean better; for fantasy stories, realistic typically means worse. Why would anyone want MK to resemble the Saw franchise? Did it not sway them when that franchised sucked 5 movies in a row?

All this shows me is that people think MK fans only want blood and guts, but if you look at this forum alone, you'd know 90% of the conversations are based around the story and gameplay.


You guys are morons resistant to change. Sorry ladies, it's time to grow up.


Because refitting a long running series into a 13-year-old's concept of cool is really grown up.


The Dark Knight got over $1billion in the box office. It's obviously not just a 13-year-old's concept of cool.
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06/08/2010 08:33 PM (UTC)
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Why does Baraka have dreads?! haha. On a serious note, this is a really good trailer. Whether it is real or not I am very impressed. When I first saw that decapitated body of Johnny Cage I was extremely happy. If it is real, I am glad they are actually promoting the violence that the series has to offer.
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06/08/2010 08:37 PM (UTC)
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Baraka being a plastic surgeon would be the only way they'd be able to have him do so much self mutilation and not kill himself. It's called consistency.

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I'll use Lord of the Rings again. What if they wrote that Legolas has a growth disorder and he's 4 feet tall? I guess one could respond, "but how else is he suppose to walk on snow?" You fit a concept around the characters, not the other way around.

If you have to destroy a story's core premise to fit a new style, it's not worth doing. Just write a new story.
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06/08/2010 08:40 PM (UTC)
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I really hope to God that this is the next MK movie. If it is, I'll scream like a little girl for days. Now the only questions are obviously who made it and what is its purpose if it isn't by or known about by the MK9 team?
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06/08/2010 08:40 PM (UTC)
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Wait.... why the hell wasn't this posted on the offical MK YT page???
Mind blowing... this just may be the game I dream of.
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06/08/2010 08:42 PM (UTC)
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Can't we just agree that it's "different" and that different doesn't mean it's bad?

Look at Batman. You have 60's campy Adam West Batman. You have Goth-heavy Tim Burton Batman. You have CSI crime drama Christopher Nolan Batman. You have gritty, violent, foul-mouthed Frank Miller Batman. You have horribly cheesy, rubber-nipples Joel Schumacher Batman. And you have stylish, art deco Animated TV Batman.

Every version has it's defenders and admirers (well, maybe not Joel Schumacher), but by reinventing and modernizing Batman for new generations, the character stays fresh and interesting. Even if you don't necessarily like the changes (I'm not a fan of "Batman Begins" or "The Dark Knight"; I prefer fantasy-based comic heroics and villains), you can at least give the new interpretations a chance or admit that they have their merits.

In the same way, Mortal Kombat has been very stale for a long time. I'm a passionate fan that loves the series a lot, and MK2 remains my favorite game in the series (followed by Deadly Alliance), but even I know that something big, drastic, and memorable needed to happen.... and crossing over with Captain Marvel wasn't it.

Am I totally in love with the new "gritty" version? No. I hope to see some mysticism and supernatural asian elements. It seems almost TOO gritty and realistic, with much of the same problems I had with Christopher Nolan's "totally realism" approach to Batman.

But at the same time, I simply can't argue that the new approach isn't more interesting. Characters like Reptile and Baraka have been absolutely paper-thin, plotless characters for years without any real personalities. Scorpion had been a walking cliche while Shang Tsung was significantly unthreatening. Jax was embarrassingly ghetto (big pimp chains and all). Sonya had been sexualized into a thong-sporting, chesty bimbo. The only character I felt had some dignity was Sub-Zero.

This, at the very least, gives everything new life and a breath of fresh air. A reimagining doesn't mean the origins suddenly cease to exist or be good, but like the character of Batman, a new take on old characters in original ways is not always a bad thing...

... just different.
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06/08/2010 08:42 PM (UTC)
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Septar Wrote:


Baraka being a plastic surgeon would be the only way they'd be able to have him do so much self mutilation and not kill himself. It's called consistency.

<

I'll use Lord of the Rings again. What if they wrote that Legolas has a growth disorder and he's 4 feet tall? I guess one could respond, "but how else is he suppose to walk on snow?" You fit a concept around the characters, not the other way around.

If you have to destroy a story's core premise to fit a new style, it's not worth doing. Just write a new story.


Lord of the rings claim to fame is one of the most in depth fantasies ever.

Mortal Kombats claim to fame is being a disgusting and gory fighter.

You're comparing two very different things, which is idiotic. Pick something in the same genre of Mortal Kombat maybe.
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06/08/2010 08:42 PM (UTC)
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I said this before but I'll say it again.

There's a difference between not liking the direction of a story and not liking the core elements that make up the universe.

What this demo reel says to me is that they threw the baby out with the bathwater. After MKDA the MK story (the details of such) did get pretty stupid. By MKA there wasn't much of a story at all but random people fighting. But just because somebody wants to start over doesn't mean they want crazy doctor Baraka.

When I hear "reboot" I hope for something that goes back to MK1 style. Not something that doesn't remotely resemble MK. Start from scratch but start from something familiar. That's what I wanted. An alternate elseworlds plot? Ok, I'll deal. Maybe it can be good when standing on its own. But it's just not what I personally was looking for.

Oh, and comparing this to The Dark Knight is incredibly insulting to The Dark Knight, Chris Nolan, and Batman himself.

Septar Wrote:
You're comparing two very different things, which is idiotic. Pick something in the same genre of Mortal Kombat maybe.


Like superhero comic books? The thing that people freaked out over when MK crossed over with one?
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06/08/2010 08:42 PM (UTC)
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:

If you have to destroy a story's core premise to fit a new style, it's not worth doing. Just write a new story.


Come on, Temp. The new premise doesn't have to make sense as long as it's badass. Who cares about continuing narrative or established characters?
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06/08/2010 08:47 PM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
Can't we just agree that it's "different" and that different doesn't mean it's bad?

Look at Batman. You have 60's campy Adam West Batman. You have Goth-heavy Tim Burton Batman. You have CSI crime drama Christopher Nolan Batman. You have gritty, violent, foul-mouthed Frank Miller Batman. You have horribly cheesy, rubber-nipples Joel Schumacher Batman. And you have stylish, art deco Animated TV Batman.

Every version has it's defenders and admirers (well, maybe not Joel Schumacher), but by reinventing and modernizing Batman for new generations, the character stays fresh and interesting. Even if you don't necessarily like the changes (I'm not a fan of "Batman Begins" or "The Dark Knight"; I prefer fantasy-based comic heroics and villains), you can at least give the new interpretations a chance or admit that they have their merits.

In the same way, Mortal Kombat has been very stale for a long time. I'm a passionate fan that loves the series a lot, and MK2 remains my favorite game in the series (followed by Deadly Alliance), but even I know that something big, drastic, and memorable needed to happen.... and crossing over with Captain Marvel wasn't it.

Am I totally in love with the new "gritty" version? No. I hope to see some mysticism and supernatural asian elements. It seems almost TOO gritty and realistic, with much of the same problems I had with Christopher Nolan's "totally realism" approach to Batman.

But at the same time, I simply can't argue that the new approach isn't more interesting. Characters like Reptile and Baraka have been absolutely paper-thin, plotless characters for years without any real personalities. Scorpion had been a walking cliche while Shang Tsung was significantly unthreatening. Jax was embarrassingly ghetto (big pimp chains and all). Sonya had been sexualized into a thong-sporting, chesty bimbo. The only character I felt had some dignity was Sub-Zero.

This, at the very least, gives everything new life and a breath of fresh air. A reimagining doesn't mean the origins suddenly cease to exist or be good, but like the character of Batman, a new take on old characters in original ways is not always a bad thing...

... just different.


BOOM! THE post of the topic.
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06/08/2010 08:51 PM (UTC)
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Different DOES mean bad when you only get ONE MK product every several years. What if this became the new direction of the franchise permanently? Batman fans who don't like Dark Knight at least still get to read Batman comics where he's wearing the same gray and blue as always and Joker's still a guy who fell in a vat and got his skin and hair permanently turned white and green.

What would those of us who love Outworld and fireballs get if MK was god damned CSI: Chinatown starring Jax forever?
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06/08/2010 08:52 PM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
Can't we just agree that it's "different" and that different doesn't mean it's bad?

Look at Batman. You have 60's campy Adam West Batman. You have Goth-heavy Tim Burton Batman. You have CSI crime drama Christopher Nolan Batman. You have gritty, violent, foul-mouthed Frank Miller Batman. You have horribly cheesy, rubber-nipples Joel Schumacher Batman. And you have stylish, art deco Animated TV Batman.

Every version has it's defenders and admirers (well, maybe not Joel Schumacher), but by reinventing and modernizing Batman for new generations, the character stays fresh and interesting. Even if you don't necessarily like the changes (I'm not a fan of "Batman Begins" or "The Dark Knight"; I prefer fantasy-based comic heroics and villains), you can at least give the new interpretations a chance or admit that they have their merits.

In the same way, Mortal Kombat has been very stale for a long time. I'm a passionate fan that loves the series a lot, and MK2 remains my favorite game in the series (followed by Deadly Alliance), but even I know that something big, drastic, and memorable needed to happen.... and crossing over with Captain Marvel wasn't it.

Am I totally in love with the new "gritty" version? No. I hope to see some mysticism and supernatural asian elements. It seems almost TOO gritty and realistic, with much of the same problems I had with Christopher Nolan's "totally realism" approach to Batman.

But at the same time, I simply can't argue that the new approach isn't more interesting. Characters like Reptile and Baraka have been absolutely paper-thin, plotless characters for years without any real personalities. Scorpion had been a walking cliche while Shang Tsung was significantly unthreatening. Jax was embarrassingly ghetto (big pimp chains and all). Sonya had been sexualized into a thong-sporting, chesty bimbo. The only character I felt had some dignity was Sub-Zero.

This, at the very least, gives everything new life and a breath of fresh air. A reimagining doesn't mean the origins suddenly cease to exist or be good, but like the character of Batman, a new take on old characters in original ways is not always a bad thing...

... just different.


But, Gar, in every one of those versions of Batman, the main character is a rich playboy by day and dresses in a bat costume at night to go fight crime. The core components are all there even if the tone and details are different among all the different versions.

This is more like the Catwoman movie which changes pretty much everything that can be changed.

If this movie gets made it might be categorically better than Catwoman as far as movie quality is concerned, in fact it probably will be. But it's as much MK as Catwoman is...Catwoman. That's the problem. It's not that they're changing details or tone. It's that they're changing the basic "rules" of the game, so to speak.
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06/08/2010 08:52 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Different DOES mean bad when you only get ONE MK product every several years. What if this became the new direction of the franchise permanently? Batman fans who don't like Dark Knight at least still get to read Batman comics where he's wearing the same gray and blue as always and Joker's still a guy who fell in a vat and got his skin and hair permanently turned white and green.

What do those of us who love Outworld and fireballs get if MK becomes god damned CSI: Chinatown starring Jax?


And I'm sure dozens and dozens of other fans felt the same way with the DC crossover....
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