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03/12/2015 02:06 AM (UTC)
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Cages_Shades Wrote:
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This was the final comic correct? Havik and Reiko better be in now, fuck that leaked roster! Erron Black being neutral is kind of underwhelming, need....more....EVIL!!


The comics will continue post launch. This is not the final print issue. D'Vorah is on the cover of Issue #5.


Kittelsen already confirmed that no matter what 36 chapters(12 print issues) will be issued this year.

If it keep selling out like it does it will go on after that.

WE NEED MORE grin
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krajax
03/12/2015 02:09 AM (UTC)
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Cages_Shades Wrote:
xysion Wrote:
barakall Wrote:
This was the final comic correct? Havik and Reiko better be in now, fuck that leaked roster! Erron Black being neutral is kind of underwhelming, need....more....EVIL!!


The comics will continue post launch. This is not the final print issue. D'Vorah is on the cover of Issue #5.


Kittelsen already confirmed that no matter what 36 chapters(12 print issues) will be issued this year.

If it keep selling out like it does it will go on after that.


At least Kittelsen COULD make some issues about what happens between the game that weren't able to be showcased in Story Mode so no plotholes or unanswered questions are left hanging in the game and possibly make issues that occur AFTER MKX's ending.
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03/12/2015 02:13 AM (UTC)
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Really cool issue going by the summary.

- Finally even if it was pretty obvious now, the name Kuai Liang pops and 110% confirms what we knew.

- Erron Black isn't evil enough to be a Black Dragon according to Kano because he wants to save people instead of using them, I actually like that. This character has a lot of potential.

- I think Kano should've been the one finishing Mavado. The 2 girls are still too green IMO to perform that kind of fatality in cold blood.

- Anyway, RIP Mavado, at least you have some more potential than Hsu Hao. Now I don't know if Daegon will be as important as I though or the Red Dragon is featured in the comic just to fully destroy it.

- Reiko and Havik now jumped into a polarized bandwagon: either dead in the comics or at the very least major villians in the game, possibly sub-boss/boss. Poor Reiko now has to worry about Havik tricking him and killing him Joker nonsensical style, and Mileena playing him all along and eating his face.

Isn't "Blood God" one of Kotal's variations?

Then who was in the dagger? Skarlett is blood/iron themed...



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03/12/2015 02:20 AM (UTC)
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Lokheit Wrote:
Really cool issue going by the summary.


- Reiko and Havik now jumped into a polarized bandwagon: either dead in the comics or at the very least major villians in the game, possibly sub-boss/boss. Poor Reiko now has to worry about Havik tricking him and killing him Joker nonsensical style, and Mileena playing him all along and eating his face.




I dont know whats more stressful atm for me

Being a Reiko fan

Or

A Rain fan
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Rockchalk5477
03/12/2015 02:21 AM (UTC)
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Y'know, in terms of Mavado's death, I read something interesting on TYM.

It does strike me as odd that Cassie and Jacqui seem to be insanely violent in this story, blowing away dozens of men with machine guns, before brutally breaking Mavado's leg and gutting him from groin to neck while he is immobilized.

Kittelsen has said before that certain narrators might not be the most reliable, intentionally or not.

With how innocent Erron makes himself sound and how brutal the two teenage girls are reported to be, something seems very off here.
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03/12/2015 02:23 AM (UTC)
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Rockchalk5477 Wrote:
Y'know, in terms of Mavado's death, I read something interesting on TYM.

It does strike me as odd that Cassie and Jacqui seem to be insanely violent in this story, blowing away dozens of men with machine guns, before brutally breaking Mavado's leg and gutting him from groin to neck while he is immobilized.

Kittelsen has said before that certain narrators might not be the most reliable, intentionally or not.

With how innocent Erron makes himself sound and how brutal the two teenage girls are reported to be, something seems very off here.


But you see Mavado's body cut apart in the same way Cassie killed him when Johnny and co. find Erron.
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03/12/2015 02:24 AM (UTC)
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Rockchalk5477 Wrote:
Y'know, in terms of Mavado's death, I read something interesting on TYM.

It does strike me as odd that Cassie and Jacqui seem to be insanely violent in this story, blowing away dozens of men with machine guns, before brutally breaking Mavado's leg and gutting him from groin to neck while he is immobilized.

Kittelsen has said before that certain narrators might not be the most reliable, intentionally or not.

With how innocent Erron makes himself sound and how brutal the two teenage girls are reported to be, something seems very off here.


They were trained to fight, and trying to live snd escape.

They know the horrors of the wars before hand.
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03/12/2015 02:25 AM (UTC)
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But you see Mavado's body cut apart in the same way Cassie killed him.

I wasn't arguing that he wasn't killed in that manner. He has clearly been split down the middle.
What I was referencing is the note from the writer about unreliable narrators.
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03/12/2015 02:26 AM (UTC)
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Rockchalk5477 Wrote:
swerzy Wrote:
But you see Mavado's body cut apart in the same way Cassie killed him.

I wasn't arguing that he wasn't killed in that manner.


Then I'm not sure what you're arguing? Are you arguing that Cassie and Jacqui didn't kill Mavado?
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Rockchalk5477
03/12/2015 02:29 AM (UTC)
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Cages_Shades Wrote:They were trained to fight, and trying to live snd escape.
They know the horrors of the wars before hand.

Not too sure about that.

That incident with Frost in the deathmatch arena really caught them off guard. Jacqui was stunned when she saw the first woman get killed.

They're teenagers. Even Johnny is horrified at what happened to Mavado.
As for your question, swerzy, I'm not saying they didn't. All I'm wondering if something else is at play here.
The brutality of his murder just seems out-of-character for two teenage girls (who have shown mercy before to a very vicious opponent (that has murdered over 20 people without any remorse.))
This can all be discounted if, say, the next time we see them, they have a moment of self-reflection or break down briefly in a delayed reaction of shock at what they'd done.
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03/12/2015 02:36 AM (UTC)
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Rockchalk5477 Wrote:
Y'know, in terms of Mavado's death, I read something interesting on TYM.

It does strike me as odd that Cassie and Jacqui seem to be insanely violent in this story, blowing away dozens of men with machine guns, before brutally breaking Mavado's leg and gutting him from groin to neck while he is immobilized.

Kittelsen has said before that certain narrators might not be the most reliable, intentionally or not.

With how innocent Erron makes himself sound and how brutal the two teenage girls are reported to be, something seems very off here.


Interesting idea, but I'm not so sure that was the writer's intention; it didn't start with Erron telling a story, it only ended with that. Also don't think they'd want to waste precious space later on by returning to the "real" version of what happened, nor what the point of it all being lies would be. (and Erron was shown in Chapter 9 to be not vicious like Kano as well)
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03/12/2015 02:37 AM (UTC)
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Rockchalk5477 Wrote:
Cages_Shades Wrote:They were trained to fight, and trying to live snd escape.
They know the horrors of the wars before hand.

Not too sure about that.

That incident with Frost in the deathmatch arena really caught them off guard. Jacqui was stunned when she saw the first woman get killed.

They're teenagers. Even Johnny is horrified at what happened to Mavado.
As for your question, swerzy, I'm not saying they didn't. All I'm wondering if something else is at play here.
The brutality of his murder just seems out-of-character for two teenage girls (who have shown mercy before to a very vicious opponent (that has murdered over 20 people without any remorse.))


Maybe they are sexist tongue

And/or thought mavado looked like a rapist
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03/12/2015 02:45 AM (UTC)
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Erron could be misreporting this whole incident. Johnny seemed pretty shocked that she could do such a thing, and the girls weren't very enthusiastic about killing people in the deathmatch. Kittelsen seemed pretty into giving the characters consistent and believable development in the interviews; between that and his tweet about unreliable narrators, it wouldn't be surprising if things didn't go exactly as Erron said, just as Hanzo told Takeda his story without knowing that his version isn't exactly true.

I like the idea that Erron is hiding something. But to what end?

Disclaimer: I haven't actually read the comic yet.
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Lokheit
03/12/2015 02:45 AM (UTC)
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Rockchalk5477 Wrote:
swerzy Wrote:
But you see Mavado's body cut apart in the same way Cassie killed him.

I wasn't arguing that he wasn't killed in that manner. He has clearly been split down the middle.
What I was referencing is the note from the writer about unreliable narrators.


I think this could be directed to how Mythologies seem to be retconned but it may be just memories that Quan Chi implanted on Scorpion (Bi-Han still says it wasn't him before dying in the comic flashback).
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03/12/2015 02:49 AM (UTC)
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Lokheit Wrote:
Rockchalk5477 Wrote:
swerzy Wrote:
But you see Mavado's body cut apart in the same way Cassie killed him.

I wasn't arguing that he wasn't killed in that manner. He has clearly been split down the middle.
What I was referencing is the note from the writer about unreliable narrators.


I think this could be directed to how Mythologies seem to be retconned but it may be just memories that Quan Chi implanted on Scorpion (Bi-Han still says it wasn't him before dying in the comic flashback).


Yeah, that too. He was only saying that about the Scorpion/Mythologies stuff, it wasn't a general note about the comic.
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Blade4693
03/12/2015 02:56 AM (UTC)
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Idk they might have known it was a kill or be killed situation, that + adrenaline can = some crazy shit lol

That or the events didn't happen the way we originally thought for some reason.

I agree that it does seem a little strange since Cassie specifically didn't kill Frost when Frost would have likely killed her had she not obtained the upper hand.

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03/12/2015 02:58 AM (UTC)
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Sockie Wrote:Yeah, that too. He was only saying that about the Scorpion/Mythologies stuff, it wasn't a general note about the comic.

. @Slayah22 The whole timeline was effected by MK9, even the distant past. But some narrators are also more reliable than others... ;) #MKX

— Shawn Kittelsen (@kittelsen) March 6, 2015

Though his other tweets were in specific regard to Scorpion, this one is not, and it specifies a plurality of narrators. Why would Scorpion be the only narrator in the entire series that provides incorrect or misleading information?
Sockie Wrote: it doesn't mean he's the only incorrect narrator ever, no, but that still wasn't meant as a comment about the book in general like you were saying.

We know Scorpion is wrong about the death of his loved ones. That's one.
It's almost certain there will be lying villains and misguided people to come. Ergo, this tweet does apply as we've only seen one incident occur yet, with one narrator.
Context matters as to who to apply this critical approach to. This fiasco with Erron and the girls is certainly unusual.
Obviously, you can't throw this approach around willy-nilly with straightforward events we've already seen.
The fact is that this is a flashback from a narrator we know very little about, which puts him in a very positive light and seems to be contradictory in portrayal of two characters we've seen before, who transition from merciful and inexperienced to absolutely savage in the span of, like, one day.
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Sockie
03/12/2015 03:00 AM (UTC)
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That tweet doesn't disprove anything just said. Kittelsen was only saying that about Scorpion's flashback, look at the tweet he was responding; it doesn't mean he's the only incorrect narrator ever, no, but that still wasn't meant as a comment about the book in general like you were saying.
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Spider804
03/12/2015 03:01 AM (UTC)
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Plus villains lie all the time.
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Darkhound74
03/12/2015 03:06 AM (UTC)
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I did notice though that the whole sequence in which Mavado was killed , was faintly colored compared to the other pages.

I don't know...it almost gives off a "false story" appearance or someone's imagination.
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03/12/2015 03:08 AM (UTC)
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Darkhound74 Wrote:
I did notice though that the whole sequence in which Mavado was killed , was faintly colored compared to the other pages.

I don't know...it almost gives off a "false story" appearance or someone's imagination.


It was to show it was a flashback. Kano's flashback about Sub-Zero was also like that; doesn't mean it was fake, either.
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03/12/2015 03:11 AM (UTC)
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Sockie Wrote:
Darkhound74 Wrote:
I did notice though that the whole sequence in which Mavado was killed , was faintly colored compared to the other pages.

I don't know...it almost gives off a "false story" appearance or someone's imagination.


It was to show it was a flashback. Kano's flashback about Sub-Zero was also like that; doesn't mean it was fake, either.


I'm aware of that, just a thought.

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03/12/2015 03:15 AM (UTC)
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Rockchalk5477 Wrote:
Sockie Wrote: it doesn't mean he's the only incorrect narrator ever, no, but that still wasn't meant as a comment about the book in general like you were saying.

We know Scorpion is wrong about the death of his loved ones. That's one.
It's almost certain there will be lying villains and misguided people to come. Ergo, this tweet does apply as we've only seen one incident occur yet, with one narrator.
Context matters as to who to apply this critical approach to. This fiasco with Erron and the girls is certainly unusual.
Obviously, you can't throw this approach around willy-nilly with straightforward events we've already seen.


So Kittelsen should have said "But a narrator is also more reliable than others..."? That would have made no sense grammatically. He doesn't literally mean we're going to see every narrator who's ever been unreliable, that tweet isn't a contract promising that. You are taking the way he worded that and trying to apply it way generally when it wasn't meant to be. It was just a comment about Scorpion's narration. Some narrators are unreliable and Scorpion is one of them, there are many others out there, not just in MKX.

Darkhound74 Wrote:
Sockie Wrote:
Darkhound74 Wrote:
I did notice though that the whole sequence in which Mavado was killed , was faintly colored compared to the other pages.

I don't know...it almost gives off a "false story" appearance or someone's imagination.


It was to show it was a flashback. Kano's flashback about Sub-Zero was also like that; doesn't mean it was fake, either.


I'm aware of that, just a thought.



Then you should know it doesn't really mean anything by keeping in line with other flashbacks. tongue
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When Kittelsen said "some narrators are more reliable"...i thoguht hre was referring to himself sayin, don't worry i got this, it'll be all good in the end
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