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06/15/2014 09:25 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Riyakou Wrote:

She is an exact palette swap of Kitana, who happens to be a MK ninja.

As far as qualification goes, Tanya fits the bill, even if she never bore the traditional MK ninja garb. In any case, she has already been confirmed to be a MK ninja, so any rebuttal is completely void.


Tanya is not an exact palette swap of Kitana. They changed the Kitana 3D model to be Tanya INSTEAD of Kitana, and then in MK Gold they made a NEW 3D model for Kitana.

And I refuse to call Tanya an MK ninja, because lik wdm, I disagree with her fitting the bill. She doesn't.


You should play with Kitana in MK4.

It's the exact model, with gray attire and slightly lighter skin. In fact, their stance is exactly the same. The same minor changes made to create every other palette swap were made to create Tanya. She's a MK ninja, JR.

I mean, what is it that you want out of her? A mask? Is that was Tanya lacks?
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06/15/2014 10:57 PM (UTC)
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Riyakou Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Riyakou Wrote:

She is an exact palette swap of Kitana, who happens to be a MK ninja.

As far as qualification goes, Tanya fits the bill, even if she never bore the traditional MK ninja garb. In any case, she has already been confirmed to be a MK ninja, so any rebuttal is completely void.


Tanya is not an exact palette swap of Kitana. They changed the Kitana 3D model to be Tanya INSTEAD of Kitana, and then in MK Gold they made a NEW 3D model for Kitana.

And I refuse to call Tanya an MK ninja, because lik wdm, I disagree with her fitting the bill. She doesn't.


You should play with Kitana in MK4.

It's the exact model, with gray attire and slightly lighter skin. In fact, their stance is exactly the same. The same minor changes made to create every other palette swap were made to create Tanya. She's a MK ninja, JR.

I mean, what is it that you want out of her? A mask? Is that was Tanya lacks?


Right, there's that N64 hack where you can play as her... Forgot about that.
But no, it's the story principle I am leaning towards when defining characters as "ninjas". I am not one of those who just put a mask on a character and calls it a ninja.
Also... NOT ONCE does Ed Boon call Tanya an MK ninja in Khameleon's Trading Card video. He says "FEMALE CHARACTERS"...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUS7KNJ7kyU
So that is disputed.
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06/15/2014 11:04 PM (UTC)
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I asked the MK Team....

Tanya is not included in the "ninja" stereotype.

Sorry to burst a bubble.
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06/15/2014 11:04 PM (UTC)
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I think everyone CLEARLY knows what we mean when we refer to the ten ninja characters as "ninjas." Anyone who claims otherwise is just trying to start shit.

Why is Tanya even included in this discussion? It doesn't matter who she was a palette swap of; she's NEVER been considered a ninja.
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06/15/2014 11:09 PM (UTC)
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SwingBatta Wrote:
I think everyone CLEARLY knows what we mean when we refer to the ten ninja characters as "ninjas." Anyone who claims otherwise is just trying to start shit.

Why is Tanya even included in this discussion? It doesn't matter who she was a palette swap of; she's NEVER been considered a ninja.


Thank you!
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06/15/2014 11:22 PM (UTC)
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So obviously you guys consider Reptile a ninja?
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06/15/2014 11:23 PM (UTC)
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SwingBatta Wrote:
I think everyone CLEARLY knows what we mean when we refer to the ten ninja characters as "ninjas." Anyone who claims otherwise is just trying to start shit.

Why is Tanya even included in this discussion? It doesn't matter who she was a palette swap of; she's NEVER been considered a ninja.


Basically. And JR proved above that Boon calls her "female character" and NOT ninja, yet there were 2 members on the last page that were saying things like "she's confirmed to be a ninja" and "boon explicity calls her a ninja", lol.
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06/15/2014 11:24 PM (UTC)
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So obviously you guys consider Reptile a ninja?


A MK ninja? Sure.
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wdm6789
06/15/2014 11:26 PM (UTC)
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I still can't figure out where the "Tanya is a ninja" even came from. It doesn't even make sense. She has never been a ninja.

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06/15/2014 11:28 PM (UTC)
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The MK ninjas are:
-Scorpion
-Sub-Zero
-Reptile
-Noob
-Smoke
-Ermac
-Rain
-Kitana
-Mileena
-Jade
-Frost
-Skarlet
-Chameleon
-Khameleon

Tanya was supposed to be Kitana in MK4, but they changed the model into Tanya instead, so yes, she is basically a palette swap, but not a ninja. The same goes for Reiko, as he was supposed to be Noob, but then changed into his own character. They have never been considered ninjas though.
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06/16/2014 12:10 AM (UTC)
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wdm6789 Wrote:

I still can't figure out where the "Tanya is a ninja" even came from. It doesn't even make sense. She has never been a ninja.

MKA. Khameleon turns yellow and I THINK has one of Tanya's moves. Considering she doesn't take moves from females in generals I assume the association came from there.
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06/16/2014 12:23 AM (UTC)
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oracle Wrote:
wdm6789 Wrote:

I still can't figure out where the "Tanya is a ninja" even came from. It doesn't even make sense. She has never been a ninja.

MKA. Khameleon turns yellow and I THINK has one of Tanya's moves. Considering she doesn't take moves from females in generals I assume the association came from there.


From what it seems, they just needed a 4th move for Khameleon and decided to go with Tanya.
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06/16/2014 12:34 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
The MK ninjas are:
-Scorpion
-Sub-Zero
-Reptile
-Noob
-Smoke
-Ermac
-Rain
-Kitana
-Mileena
-Jade
-Skarlet
-Chameleon
-Khameleon

Tanya was supposed to be Kitana in MK4, but they changed the model into Tanya instead, so yes, she is basically a palette swap, but not a ninja. The same goes for Reiko, as he was supposed to be Noob, but then changed into his own character. They have never been considered ninjas though.


I wouldn't even consider Tanya a palette swap, let alone a ninja. Yes, Kitana's model was modified into Tanya, but Kitana was ultimately cut from the game and came back in gold with a different model, so Tanya's the one who debuted that 3D model and shared it with no one.

That's like saying Mileena/Jade/Kitana are palette swaps of Skarlet in UMK3 because the actress that played them was wearing a red outfit. What actually hapened in the game and what we got is what matters, not what was planned/cut/changed.
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06/16/2014 12:41 AM (UTC)
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If Tanya was in mk2 she would be a yellow palette swap. That's why I consider her grouped with jade, mileena, and Kitana. But is she a ninja? No. The only female ninja is frost. Kitana, mileena, jade, and skarlet are all assassins. Are they the same thing? Idk (skarlet is kinda ninjaish tho)

Maybe it is just edenian culture to dress monotone and some confuse that with labels, and since Tanya is yellow people just throw her in with purple blue and green.. (Guilty of this)

I hope reptile is next, then smoke or rain!
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06/16/2014 12:46 AM (UTC)
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frost


I totally forgot about Frost. XD
She's considered an MK ninja too, right?
*puts her on the list above*
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06/16/2014 12:48 AM (UTC)
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If Tanya was in mk2 she would be a yellow palette swap. That's why I consider her grouped with jade, mileena, and Kitana. But is she a ninja? No. The only female ninja is frost. Kitana, mileena, jade, and skarlet are all assassins. Are they the same thing? Idk (skarlet is kinda ninjaish tho)

Maybe it is just edenian culture to dress monotone and some confuse that with labels, and since Tanya is yellow people just throw her in with purple blue and green.. (Guilty of this)

I hope reptile is next, then smoke or rain!


I don't know where this thought comes from. Sindel is also wearing a leotard in UMK3 and is edenian, but she didn't share sprites with Jade/Mileena/Kitana, Tanya would be the same i think. That and she never wore a mask, whereas the other 3 + Skarlet have.
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06/16/2014 04:20 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
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frost


I totally forgot about Frost. XD
She's considered an MK ninja too, right?
*puts her on the list above*
No leotard though. Gots to have the bikini.
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06/16/2014 04:26 AM (UTC)
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oracle Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
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frost


I totally forgot about Frost. XD
She's considered an MK ninja too, right?
*puts her on the list above*
No leotard though. Gots to have the bikini.

The itsy bitsy teeny weeny yellow polka dot bikini, fo sho. XD
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06/16/2014 05:12 AM (UTC)
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Says female characters, names Kitana, Jade, Mileena, AND Tanya, but she is not of the same vein as them? We are grasping at straws here to continue this dispute. Tanya is a Female MK ninja

....in my book. Dispute that grin For those who don't understand where the dispute came from, I say go back and read it. Absorb the evidence provided from both sides and tell me that you still can't understand why this generalization may have formed. I mean really.
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06/16/2014 08:53 AM (UTC)
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.. I wish there was a "Tanya is a ninja or not?" Thread and a "which ninja is next" thread. sad
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06/16/2014 09:00 AM (UTC)
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Since Mr.Boon HATES Rain, it probably won't be him.

I think Ermac, Reptile, Noob or Smoke as they are the fan-favorites.
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06/16/2014 07:25 PM (UTC)
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moneyguy Wrote:
Says female characters, names Kitana, Jade, Mileena, AND Tanya, but she is not of the same vein as them?

We are grasping at straws here to continue this dispute. Tanya is a Female MK ninja

....in my book. Dispute that grin

For those who don't understand where the dispute came from, I say go back and read it. Absorb the evidence provided from both sides and tell me that you still can't understand why this generalization may have formed. I mean really.


There is no reason for that generalization.

Tanya was not around until MK4 and she has never worn a mask.

She is Edenian female, so she fits with them in that regard, but not the ninja regard.

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06/16/2014 07:48 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
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frost


I totally forgot about Frost. XD
She's considered an MK ninja too, right?
*puts her on the list above*


Now it seems you're just picking and choosing who you want to be a MK ninja.

As you claim that Ed Boon never referred to Tanya as a MK ninja, neither did he for Frost.

Assuming Frost could be considered a ninja, isn't odd that Tanya was chosen to be a part of Khameleon's moveset instead of Frost? Considering Chameleon and Khameleon take after the other MK ninjas, one could make a logical conclusion.

In Armageddon, Khameleon is a combination of Kitana, Mileena, Jade and Tanya. No other characters are utilized. Chameleon and Khameleon take after the other MK ninjas. What does that tell us?
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06/16/2014 07:55 PM (UTC)
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Riyakou Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
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frost


I totally forgot about Frost. XD
She's considered an MK ninja too, right?
*puts her on the list above*


Now it seems you're just picking and choosing who you want to be a MK ninja.

As you claim that Ed Boon never referred to Tanya as a MK ninja, neither did he for Frost.

Assuming Frost could be considered a ninja, isn't odd that Tanya was chosen to be a part of Khameleon's moveset instead of Frost? Considering Chameleon and Khameleon take after the other MK ninjas, one could make a logical conclusion.

In Armageddon, Khameleon is a combination of Kitana, Mileena, Jade and Tanya. No other characters are utilized. So, why these four?


You were so sure Ed Boon had called Tanya an MK ninja in the Khameleon trading card video... And now you're trying to wiggle your way out of it? Naw, Riy, you were proven wrong. I'm not going to continue this discussion with you.

Until you give me solid proof, an official statement calling Tanya an MK ninja, I'm not going to accept her as one.

And the reason I put Frost on the list is because she is basically just a female version of Sub-Zero who IS an MK ninja. So it makes sense. Feel free not to see her as an MK ninja though, that's all up to you.
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Edit: Come to think of it, Frost is Lin Kuei, and everyone in the Lin Kuei are considered MK ninjas... I wonder if I should put the human version of Sektor and Cyrax on the list then too? I mean, they are considered cyber ninjas when turned cyborgs, so... Well, that's up to you guys to decide.
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06/16/2014 08:53 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Until you give me solid proof, an official statement calling Tanya an MK ninja, I'm not going to accept her as one.
Well Chameleon/Khameleon ONLY take their specials from the "ninja" characters. If she uses one of Tanya's moves I don't see how that's not proof. I mean we can literally see it with our own eyes.
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