Jaded-Raven •06/16/2014 08:56 PM (UTC) •
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oracle Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Until you give me solid proof, an official statement calling Tanya an MK ninja, I'm not going to accept her as one.
Well Chameleon/Khameleon ONLY take their specials from the "ninja" characters. If she uses one of Tanya's moves I don't see how that's not proof. I mean we can literally see it with our own eyes.Until you give me solid proof, an official statement calling Tanya an MK ninja, I'm not going to accept her as one.
In MKT, that was true. However, apparently not in MKA, since Tanya isn't an MK ninja. Still not solid proof. Ed Boon said "female characters" when describing who Khameleon took her moves from. Not ninjas.
wdm6789 Wrote:
There is no reason for that generalization.
Tanya was not around until MK4 and she has never worn a mask.
She is Edenian female, so she fits with them in that regard, but not the ninja regard.
There is no reason for that generalization.
Tanya was not around until MK4 and she has never worn a mask.
She is Edenian female, so she fits with them in that regard, but not the ninja regard.
Skarlett appeared as dlc for MK 2011 yet others are placing her in the "same vein"
As a generalization, I don't see any argument about it. I think it follows the looks like a duck logic.
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someone should just tweet boon about this.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
In MKT, that was true. However, apparently not in MKA, since Tanya isn't an MK ninja. Still not solid proof. Ed Boon said "female characters" when describing who Khameleon took her moves from. Not ninjas.
oracle Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Until you give me solid proof, an official statement calling Tanya an MK ninja, I'm not going to accept her as one.
Well Chameleon/Khameleon ONLY take their specials from the "ninja" characters. If she uses one of Tanya's moves I don't see how that's not proof. I mean we can literally see it with our own eyes.Until you give me solid proof, an official statement calling Tanya an MK ninja, I'm not going to accept her as one.
In MKT, that was true. However, apparently not in MKA, since Tanya isn't an MK ninja. Still not solid proof. Ed Boon said "female characters" when describing who Khameleon took her moves from. Not ninjas.
Frost has never been confirmed as a MK ninja, and yet to claim her all the same.
You are assuming Frost is classified as a MK ninja due to her association with the Lin Kuei, yet even though Tanya has a clear connection with MK ninjas, you deny her that classification.
Technically, not even Skarlet was confirmed to be a MK ninja, but you added her to your list. You don't care about 'proof.' You choose who you want to be a MK ninja.
Jaded-Raven •06/16/2014 10:26 PM (UTC) •
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Riyakou Wrote:
Frost has never been confirmed as a MK ninja, and yet to claim her all the same.
You are assuming Frost is classified as a MK ninja due to her association with the Lin Kuei, yet even though Tanya has a clear connection with MK ninjas, you deny her that classification.
Technically, not even Skarlet was confirmed to be a MK ninja, but you added her to your list. You don't care about 'proof.' You choose who you want to be a MK ninja.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
In MKT, that was true. However, apparently not in MKA, since Tanya isn't an MK ninja. Still not solid proof. Ed Boon said "female characters" when describing who Khameleon took her moves from. Not ninjas.
oracle Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Until you give me solid proof, an official statement calling Tanya an MK ninja, I'm not going to accept her as one.
Well Chameleon/Khameleon ONLY take their specials from the "ninja" characters. If she uses one of Tanya's moves I don't see how that's not proof. I mean we can literally see it with our own eyes.Until you give me solid proof, an official statement calling Tanya an MK ninja, I'm not going to accept her as one.
In MKT, that was true. However, apparently not in MKA, since Tanya isn't an MK ninja. Still not solid proof. Ed Boon said "female characters" when describing who Khameleon took her moves from. Not ninjas.
Frost has never been confirmed as a MK ninja, and yet to claim her all the same.
You are assuming Frost is classified as a MK ninja due to her association with the Lin Kuei, yet even though Tanya has a clear connection with MK ninjas, you deny her that classification.
Technically, not even Skarlet was confirmed to be a MK ninja, but you added her to your list. You don't care about 'proof.' You choose who you want to be a MK ninja.
You are going against your own notion... You don't want Frost to be classified as an MK ninja because of her connection to Sub-Zero, but you DO want Tanya to be classified as an MK ninja due to her connection to Kitana? Double standards much?
I'll take Frost and Skarlet off the list then, but that doesn't make Tanya any more an MK ninja though.
So that basically leaves:
-Scorpion
-Sub-Zero
-Reptile
-Noob
-Smoke
-Ermac
-Rain
-Kitana
-Mileena
-Jade
-Chameleon
-Khameleon
... as the MK ninjas.
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Gotta agree with Raven on this one.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
You are going against your own notion... You don't want Frost to be classified as an MK ninja because of her connection to Sub-Zero, but you DO want Tanya to be classified as an MK ninja due to her connection to Kitana? Double standards much?
I'll take Frost and Skarlet off the list then, but that doesn't make Tanya any more an MK ninja though.
So that basically leaves:
-Scorpion
-Sub-Zero
-Reptile
-Noob
-Smoke
-Ermac
-Rain
-Kitana
-Mileena
-Jade
-Chameleon
-Khameleon
... as the MK ninjas.
Riyakou Wrote:
Frost has never been confirmed as a MK ninja, and yet to claim her all the same.
You are assuming Frost is classified as a MK ninja due to her association with the Lin Kuei, yet even though Tanya has a clear connection with MK ninjas, you deny her that classification.
Technically, not even Skarlet was confirmed to be a MK ninja, but you added her to your list. You don't care about 'proof.' You choose who you want to be a MK ninja.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
In MKT, that was true. However, apparently not in MKA, since Tanya isn't an MK ninja. Still not solid proof. Ed Boon said "female characters" when describing who Khameleon took her moves from. Not ninjas.
oracle Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Until you give me solid proof, an official statement calling Tanya an MK ninja, I'm not going to accept her as one.
Well Chameleon/Khameleon ONLY take their specials from the "ninja" characters. If she uses one of Tanya's moves I don't see how that's not proof. I mean we can literally see it with our own eyes.Until you give me solid proof, an official statement calling Tanya an MK ninja, I'm not going to accept her as one.
In MKT, that was true. However, apparently not in MKA, since Tanya isn't an MK ninja. Still not solid proof. Ed Boon said "female characters" when describing who Khameleon took her moves from. Not ninjas.
Frost has never been confirmed as a MK ninja, and yet to claim her all the same.
You are assuming Frost is classified as a MK ninja due to her association with the Lin Kuei, yet even though Tanya has a clear connection with MK ninjas, you deny her that classification.
Technically, not even Skarlet was confirmed to be a MK ninja, but you added her to your list. You don't care about 'proof.' You choose who you want to be a MK ninja.
You are going against your own notion... You don't want Frost to be classified as an MK ninja because of her connection to Sub-Zero, but you DO want Tanya to be classified as an MK ninja due to her connection to Kitana? Double standards much?
I'll take Frost and Skarlet off the list then, but that doesn't make Tanya any more an MK ninja though.
So that basically leaves:
-Scorpion
-Sub-Zero
-Reptile
-Noob
-Smoke
-Ermac
-Rain
-Kitana
-Mileena
-Jade
-Chameleon
-Khameleon
... as the MK ninjas.
I never once stated who I did or didn't want to be a MK ninja; in fact, I never stated my personal view on Frost, but merely that she was never confirmed to be a MK ninja.
I state who are and aren't MK ninjas based on the known criteria of what constitutes one. You, on the other hand, state who are and aren't MK ninjas purely by preference.
Preference is the root of why you won't accept Tanya as a MK ninja.
Jaded-Raven •06/17/2014 02:01 AM (UTC) •
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Riyakou Wrote:
Preference is the root of why you won't accept Tanya as a MK ninja.
Preference is the root of why you won't accept Tanya as a MK ninja.
No, the facts, or rather, the lack of facts of her being an MK ninja is why I don't call her one.
Let's clear things up. This is a definition of what a ninja is (or at least what the internet says):
a member of a feudal Japanese society of mercenary agents, highly trained in martial arts and stealth (ninjutsu) who were hired for covert purposes ranging from espionage to sabotage and assassination.
We know this series has a very vague way of telling us who really is a ninja and who isn't. But process of elimination by putting this description next to such characters, we can clearly see who is and who isn't.
So, there.
a member of a feudal Japanese society of mercenary agents, highly trained in martial arts and stealth (ninjutsu) who were hired for covert purposes ranging from espionage to sabotage and assassination.
We know this series has a very vague way of telling us who really is a ninja and who isn't. But process of elimination by putting this description next to such characters, we can clearly see who is and who isn't.
So, there.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
No, the facts, or rather, the lack of facts of her being an MK ninja is why I don't call her one.
Riyakou Wrote:
Preference is the root of why you won't accept Tanya as a MK ninja.
Preference is the root of why you won't accept Tanya as a MK ninja.
No, the facts, or rather, the lack of facts of her being an MK ninja is why I don't call her one.
So I assume you have the facts for every character on your list?
Or are you going on technicality?
Icebaby Wrote:
Let's clear things up. This is a definition of what a ninja is (or at least what the internet says):
a member of a feudal Japanese society of mercenary agents, highly trained in martial arts and stealth (ninjutsu) who were hired for covert purposes ranging from espionage to sabotage and assassination.
We know this series has a very vague way of telling us who really is a ninja and who isn't. But process of elimination by putting this description next to such characters, we can clearly see who is and who isn't.
So, there.
Let's clear things up. This is a definition of what a ninja is (or at least what the internet says):
a member of a feudal Japanese society of mercenary agents, highly trained in martial arts and stealth (ninjutsu) who were hired for covert purposes ranging from espionage to sabotage and assassination.
We know this series has a very vague way of telling us who really is a ninja and who isn't. But process of elimination by putting this description next to such characters, we can clearly see who is and who isn't.
So, there.
The discussion isn't about actual ninjas, but MK ninjas amd what constitutes one.
I must admit, the discussion kinda go off topic from the thread, though.
Jaded-Raven •06/17/2014 02:41 AM (UTC) •
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Riyakou Wrote:
So I assume you have the facts for every character on your list?
Or are you going on technicality?
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
No, the facts, or rather, the lack of facts of her being an MK ninja is why I don't call her one.
Riyakou Wrote:
Preference is the root of why you won't accept Tanya as a MK ninja.
Preference is the root of why you won't accept Tanya as a MK ninja.
No, the facts, or rather, the lack of facts of her being an MK ninja is why I don't call her one.
So I assume you have the facts for every character on your list?
Or are you going on technicality?
The MK team have called these characters for ninjas since day one. I have yet to hear them call Tanya a ninja though.
I know you're trying to push this through, but it's not going to happen, Riy. You have no proof of Tanya being a ninja, so this discussion is over.
Edit: The MK wiki has both Reiko, Tanya, Frost and Skarlet on the list of MK ninjas, so you can comfort yourself with that, even though I know a wiki does not always state the facts. But hey, it's something. ;)
Uppercut Editions •06/17/2014 02:43 AM (UTC) •
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They've never grouped Tanya as a ninja. Ever.
moneyguy Wrote:
Have you read the thread.... At all?
Icebaby Wrote:
Let's clear things up. This is a definition of what a ninja is (or at least what the internet says)
Let's clear things up. This is a definition of what a ninja is (or at least what the internet says)
Have you read the thread.... At all?
My post was more of a joke, to say the least, since the last few pages has been nothing but Tanya is and isn't a ninja depending on what user you are.
Jaded-Raven •06/17/2014 02:49 AM (UTC) •
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Icebaby Wrote:
My post was more of a joke, to say the least, since the last few pages has been nothing but Tanya is and isn't a ninja depending on what user you are.
moneyguy Wrote:
Have you read the thread.... At all?
Icebaby Wrote:
Let's clear things up. This is a definition of what a ninja is (or at least what the internet says)
Let's clear things up. This is a definition of what a ninja is (or at least what the internet says)
Have you read the thread.... At all?
My post was more of a joke, to say the least, since the last few pages has been nothing but Tanya is and isn't a ninja depending on what user you are.
It was funny. I smiled at it. ^^
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
The MK team have called these characters for ninjas since day one. I have yet to hear them call Tanya a ninja though.
I know you're trying to push this through, but it's not going to happen, Riy. You have no proof of Tanya being a ninja, so this discussion is over.
Riyakou Wrote:
So I assume you have the facts for every character on your list?
Or are you going on technicality?
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
No, the facts, or rather, the lack of facts of her being an MK ninja is why I don't call her one.
Riyakou Wrote:
Preference is the root of why you won't accept Tanya as a MK ninja.
Preference is the root of why you won't accept Tanya as a MK ninja.
No, the facts, or rather, the lack of facts of her being an MK ninja is why I don't call her one.
So I assume you have the facts for every character on your list?
Or are you going on technicality?
The MK team have called these characters for ninjas since day one. I have yet to hear them call Tanya a ninja though.
I know you're trying to push this through, but it's not going to happen, Riy. You have no proof of Tanya being a ninja, so this discussion is over.
Khameleon alone is proof, whether you want to admit it or not.
I would ask Boon for confirmation, but sadly, he hardly ever responds to my tweets. lol
Jaded-Raven •06/17/2014 02:56 AM (UTC) •
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Riyakou Wrote:
Khameleon alone is proof, whether you want to admit it or not.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
The MK team have called these characters for ninjas since day one. I have yet to hear them call Tanya a ninja though.
I know you're trying to push this through, but it's not going to happen, Riy. You have no proof of Tanya being a ninja, so this discussion is over.
Riyakou Wrote:
So I assume you have the facts for every character on your list?
Or are you going on technicality?
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
No, the facts, or rather, the lack of facts of her being an MK ninja is why I don't call her one.
Riyakou Wrote:
Preference is the root of why you won't accept Tanya as a MK ninja.
Preference is the root of why you won't accept Tanya as a MK ninja.
No, the facts, or rather, the lack of facts of her being an MK ninja is why I don't call her one.
So I assume you have the facts for every character on your list?
Or are you going on technicality?
The MK team have called these characters for ninjas since day one. I have yet to hear them call Tanya a ninja though.
I know you're trying to push this through, but it's not going to happen, Riy. You have no proof of Tanya being a ninja, so this discussion is over.
Khameleon alone is proof, whether you want to admit it or not.
Not really, no. If Boon had said that she has her powers from the female ninjas, then sure, I'd call Tanya an MK ninja. Alas, he did not. But if you want to believe that is proof enough, then sure, call her a ninja.
The whole Khameleon thing does not make Tanya an MK ninja. Someone please tell me what makes Tanya a ninja.
Jade, Kitana, Mileena are actual ninjas, like it's been stated before, those three are deadly assassins trained in martial arts, that's pretty ninja. So what makes Tanya a ninja?
And if you're one who is broad in defining the original "MK ninja" the broadest it can get is any palette swap character with a mask from MK-MKT.
There's no fine print or loopholes. Tanya does not fit in that group.
Jaded-Raven •06/17/2014 03:36 AM (UTC) •
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wdm6789 Wrote:
The whole Khameleon thing does not make Tanya an MK ninja. Someone please tell me what makes Tanya a ninja.
Jade, Kitana, Mileena are actual ninjas, like it's been stated before, those three are deadly assassins trained in martial arts, that's pretty ninja. So what makes Tanya a ninja?
And if you're one who is broad in defining the original "MK ninja" the broadest it can get is any palette swap character with a mask from MK-MKT.
There's no fine print or loopholes. Tanya does not fit in that group.
The whole Khameleon thing does not make Tanya an MK ninja. Someone please tell me what makes Tanya a ninja.
Jade, Kitana, Mileena are actual ninjas, like it's been stated before, those three are deadly assassins trained in martial arts, that's pretty ninja. So what makes Tanya a ninja?
And if you're one who is broad in defining the original "MK ninja" the broadest it can get is any palette swap character with a mask from MK-MKT.
There's no fine print or loopholes. Tanya does not fit in that group.
Apparently there are people who disagree with that and thinks that it is enough that Khameleon uses one of Tanya's special moves.
I don't see that as solid proof, but if others do, then let them believe whatever they want.
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Riyakou Wrote:
Frost has never been confirmed as a MK ninja, and yet to claim her all the same.
You are assuming Frost is classified as a MK ninja due to her association with the Lin Kuei, yet even though Tanya has a clear connection with MK ninjas, you deny her that classification.
Technically, not even Skarlet was confirmed to be a MK ninja, but you added her to your list. You don't care about 'proof.' You choose who you want to be a MK ninja.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
In MKT, that was true. However, apparently not in MKA, since Tanya isn't an MK ninja. Still not solid proof. Ed Boon said "female characters" when describing who Khameleon took her moves from. Not ninjas.
oracle Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Until you give me solid proof, an official statement calling Tanya an MK ninja, I'm not going to accept her as one.
Well Chameleon/Khameleon ONLY take their specials from the "ninja" characters. If she uses one of Tanya's moves I don't see how that's not proof. I mean we can literally see it with our own eyes.Until you give me solid proof, an official statement calling Tanya an MK ninja, I'm not going to accept her as one.
In MKT, that was true. However, apparently not in MKA, since Tanya isn't an MK ninja. Still not solid proof. Ed Boon said "female characters" when describing who Khameleon took her moves from. Not ninjas.
Frost has never been confirmed as a MK ninja, and yet to claim her all the same.
You are assuming Frost is classified as a MK ninja due to her association with the Lin Kuei, yet even though Tanya has a clear connection with MK ninjas, you deny her that classification.
Technically, not even Skarlet was confirmed to be a MK ninja, but you added her to your list. You don't care about 'proof.' You choose who you want to be a MK ninja.
Skarlet got a classic MK2 and MK3 costumes in MK9, would Tanya?
diirecthit Wrote:
Skarlet got a classic MK2 and MK3 costumes in MK9, would Tanya?
Skarlet got a classic MK2 and MK3 costumes in MK9, would Tanya?
Tanya was not in MK 2011 so we'll never know. Scarlett was not in MK2 or MK3, but she got the skins so if Tanya was included she might've as well.
Maybe if Skarlett was around during MKA era Khameleon would've had one of her moves, because she is a ninja too.
Since we are speaking in hypotheticals now.
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