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LucaTurilli
12/14/2010 02:05 AM (UTC)
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There's no justification for pre-order restricted game content. Feel free to give me a temporary tattoo or some shit, but if you buy the game, you buy the fucking game. Not 99% of it. The whole damn thing.
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SubxZero
12/14/2010 02:06 AM (UTC)
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m0s3pH Wrote:
Fenix Wrote:
Fine print on back of MK box

* Does not come with any costumes, fatalities, moves, or plot for Scorpion, Sub Zero, and Reptile unless pre-ordered.
* Does not feature any characters or content beyond the PAX build, in order to make ample dev resources available for Kratos' development.
* [PS3 Only] - Every third match the game auto selects Kratos for both players. * Every time DLC is introduced it is auto-downloaded and charged to your credit card on file or siphoned from your nearby surroundings via MK (Money Kollector) VAC technology.

Seriously you guys. 20 minutes ago this game was a tribute to the greatest MK ever. Two TOTALLY FREE opportunities later, NRS has betrayed the law. WTF is wrong with fandom?


...

It's because for all the talk about this being a fan service tribute to the first three games via retelling, we now have nothing like it. We have Kratos, we have exclusives and options and DLC that is anti-fan, pro-bankroll, and fatalities that we have to pay for. You tell me what's wrong with this picture. I'm not going to walk away from this game in a huff, but as a lifelong fan of this series, each new "update" being made to what we know of this game makes it increasingly more difficult for me to keep a straight face when I tell my friends that this game is going to kick ass and that they should all buy it too.

I apologize, sir, that my opinion differs from yours, because clearly that's your problem.


They're with Warner Bros. now though. You know, part of Time Warner, one of the world's largest multi-national conglomerates? You can't expect them to not have to add these features being part of such a huge commercial company now. I know it sucks bigtime, but you just gotta deal with it. A lot of people do not understand this.
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Sindel_Fan
12/14/2010 02:07 AM (UTC)
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But they are making the game thinking about DLC... so as I said, it will never be completed...
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KingBellsprout
12/14/2010 02:09 AM (UTC)
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SubxZero Wrote:
m0s3pH Wrote:
Fenix Wrote:
Fine print on back of MK box

* Does not come with any costumes, fatalities, moves, or plot for Scorpion, Sub Zero, and Reptile unless pre-ordered.
* Does not feature any characters or content beyond the PAX build, in order to make ample dev resources available for Kratos' development.
* [PS3 Only] - Every third match the game auto selects Kratos for both players. * Every time DLC is introduced it is auto-downloaded and charged to your credit card on file or siphoned from your nearby surroundings via MK (Money Kollector) VAC technology.

Seriously you guys. 20 minutes ago this game was a tribute to the greatest MK ever. Two TOTALLY FREE opportunities later, NRS has betrayed the law. WTF is wrong with fandom?


...

It's because for all the talk about this being a fan service tribute to the first three games via retelling, we now have nothing like it. We have Kratos, we have exclusives and options and DLC that is anti-fan, pro-bankroll, and fatalities that we have to pay for. You tell me what's wrong with this picture. I'm not going to walk away from this game in a huff, but as a lifelong fan of this series, each new "update" being made to what we know of this game makes it increasingly more difficult for me to keep a straight face when I tell my friends that this game is going to kick ass and that they should all buy it too.

I apologize, sir, that my opinion differs from yours, because clearly that's your problem.


They're with Warner Bros. now though. You know, part of Time Warner, one of the world's largest multi-national conglomerates? You can't expect them to not have to add these features being part of such a huge commercial company now. I know it sucks bigtime, but you just gotta deal with it. A lot of people do not understand this.


Yea but honestly... I could deal with not having one challenge level as the joker in Arkham Asylum but in a game that is supposed to be a throwback for the old fans. Adding Characters that weren't there for that time, and yes I know Quan Chi is apparently in it but MK4 was in the arcades as well so most likely people who played MK3 in arcade have at least played it once, isn't right. Neither is holding out on people with Store Exclusive DLC just because you want to make more money. This game was meant to be for the fans... or so ed boon said.
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12/14/2010 02:11 AM (UTC)
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WeaponTheory Wrote:
"IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY TO BUY!"


LOL im very "Disturbed" that you made that comment
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12/14/2010 02:11 AM (UTC)
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SubxZero Wrote:
m0s3pH Wrote:
Fenix Wrote:
Fine print on back of MK box

* Does not come with any costumes, fatalities, moves, or plot for Scorpion, Sub Zero, and Reptile unless pre-ordered.
* Does not feature any characters or content beyond the PAX build, in order to make ample dev resources available for Kratos' development.
* [PS3 Only] - Every third match the game auto selects Kratos for both players. * Every time DLC is introduced it is auto-downloaded and charged to your credit card on file or siphoned from your nearby surroundings via MK (Money Kollector) VAC technology.

Seriously you guys. 20 minutes ago this game was a tribute to the greatest MK ever. Two TOTALLY FREE opportunities later, NRS has betrayed the law. WTF is wrong with fandom?


...

It's because for all the talk about this being a fan service tribute to the first three games via retelling, we now have nothing like it. We have Kratos, we have exclusives and options and DLC that is anti-fan, pro-bankroll, and fatalities that we have to pay for. You tell me what's wrong with this picture. I'm not going to walk away from this game in a huff, but as a lifelong fan of this series, each new "update" being made to what we know of this game makes it increasingly more difficult for me to keep a straight face when I tell my friends that this game is going to kick ass and that they should all buy it too.

I apologize, sir, that my opinion differs from yours, because clearly that's your problem.


They're with Warner Bros. now though. You know, part of Time Warner, one of the world's largest multi-national conglomerates? You can't expect them to not have to add these features being part of such a huge commercial company now. I know it sucks bigtime, but you just gotta deal with it. A lot of people do not understand this.


This argument is self-defeating. They're part of WB now, which means they don't have to worry about finances, and therefore shouldn't be forcing us to pay for additional content from the get-go. Next contestant.
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KingBellsprout
12/14/2010 02:13 AM (UTC)
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m0s3pH Wrote:
SubxZero Wrote:
m0s3pH Wrote:
Fenix Wrote:
Fine print on back of MK box

* Does not come with any costumes, fatalities, moves, or plot for Scorpion, Sub Zero, and Reptile unless pre-ordered.
* Does not feature any characters or content beyond the PAX build, in order to make ample dev resources available for Kratos' development.
* [PS3 Only] - Every third match the game auto selects Kratos for both players. * Every time DLC is introduced it is auto-downloaded and charged to your credit card on file or siphoned from your nearby surroundings via MK (Money Kollector) VAC technology.

Seriously you guys. 20 minutes ago this game was a tribute to the greatest MK ever. Two TOTALLY FREE opportunities later, NRS has betrayed the law. WTF is wrong with fandom?


...

It's because for all the talk about this being a fan service tribute to the first three games via retelling, we now have nothing like it. We have Kratos, we have exclusives and options and DLC that is anti-fan, pro-bankroll, and fatalities that we have to pay for. You tell me what's wrong with this picture. I'm not going to walk away from this game in a huff, but as a lifelong fan of this series, each new "update" being made to what we know of this game makes it increasingly more difficult for me to keep a straight face when I tell my friends that this game is going to kick ass and that they should all buy it too.

I apologize, sir, that my opinion differs from yours, because clearly that's your problem.


They're with Warner Bros. now though. You know, part of Time Warner, one of the world's largest multi-national conglomerates? You can't expect them to not have to add these features being part of such a huge commercial company now. I know it sucks bigtime, but you just gotta deal with it. A lot of people do not understand this.


This argument is self-defeating. They're part of WB now, which means they don't have to worry about finances, and therefore shouldn't be forcing us to pay for additional content from the get-go. Next contestant.


OOH OOH br0s3pH! pick me! pick me! $1 dollar bob. woo okay showcase showdown. I bid "kratos not belonging in mortal kombat" did I win?
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LucaTurilli
12/14/2010 02:14 AM (UTC)
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SubxZero Wrote:>
They're with Warner Bros. now though. You know, part of Time Warner, one of the world's largest multi-national conglomerates? You can't expect them to not have to add these features being part of such a huge commercial company now. I know it sucks bigtime, but you just gotta deal with it. A lot of people do not understand this.


You actually can expect that. Just because they're largely commercial doesn't mean we have to settle for selling out.

I'm not dropping my standards for corporate bullshit. I may end up disappointed, but hell, I've been disappointed by Mortal Kombat since MK 4.

I'm just not one to settle for less than what I've been given before.
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SubxZero
12/14/2010 02:15 AM (UTC)
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I doubt it really matters what Ed Boon said unfortunately. It's the word of the higher executives which counts. WB are looking to make profit, so what have they asked NRS to do? Added Kratos to attempt to create greater audience awareness of the MK brand. They've also added pre-order exclusives, to not only get profit from the retailers offering them, but also by offering "Klassic" costumes and fatalities, they're pulling in hardcore fans (like us) and also new ones, who like to get "free" DLC as often as possible (that is, without purchasing from the Xbox Marketplace or PSN). I know it seems like a kick in the backside to loyal fans, but trust me, i'm sure the gameplay and nostalgic experience will more than make up for it. Seems to me like the game will be a melange of fanboy heaven and commercial viability, which to me = overall success.
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SubxZero
12/14/2010 02:18 AM (UTC)
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m0s3pH Wrote:
SubxZero Wrote:
m0s3pH Wrote:
Fenix Wrote:
Fine print on back of MK box

* Does not come with any costumes, fatalities, moves, or plot for Scorpion, Sub Zero, and Reptile unless pre-ordered.
* Does not feature any characters or content beyond the PAX build, in order to make ample dev resources available for Kratos' development.
* [PS3 Only] - Every third match the game auto selects Kratos for both players. * Every time DLC is introduced it is auto-downloaded and charged to your credit card on file or siphoned from your nearby surroundings via MK (Money Kollector) VAC technology.

Seriously you guys. 20 minutes ago this game was a tribute to the greatest MK ever. Two TOTALLY FREE opportunities later, NRS has betrayed the law. WTF is wrong with fandom?


...

It's because for all the talk about this being a fan service tribute to the first three games via retelling, we now have nothing like it. We have Kratos, we have exclusives and options and DLC that is anti-fan, pro-bankroll, and fatalities that we have to pay for. You tell me what's wrong with this picture. I'm not going to walk away from this game in a huff, but as a lifelong fan of this series, each new "update" being made to what we know of this game makes it increasingly more difficult for me to keep a straight face when I tell my friends that this game is going to kick ass and that they should all buy it too.

I apologize, sir, that my opinion differs from yours, because clearly that's your problem.


They're with Warner Bros. now though. You know, part of Time Warner, one of the world's largest multi-national conglomerates? You can't expect them to not have to add these features being part of such a huge commercial company now. I know it sucks bigtime, but you just gotta deal with it. A lot of people do not understand this.


This argument is self-defeating. They're part of WB now, which means they don't have to worry about finances, and therefore shouldn't be forcing us to pay for additional content from the get-go. Next contestant.


I wasn't referring to Midway worrying about finances. I was referring to WB wanting to milk as much money from us as possible, which is how modern businesses work is it not? "Next contestant", indeed.
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LucaTurilli
12/14/2010 02:18 AM (UTC)
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Yes, being killed by Kratos will certainly herald waves of nostalgia.


Boon has said many times "WB is letting us do our thing".
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12/14/2010 02:18 AM (UTC)
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SubxZero Wrote:
I doubt it really matters what Ed Boon said unfortunately. It's the word of the higher executives which counts. WB are looking to make profit, so what have they asked NRS to do? Added Kratos to attempt to create greater audience awareness of the MK brand. They've also added pre-order exclusives, to not only get profit from the retailers offering them, but also by offering "Klassic" costumes and fatalities, they're pulling in hardcore fans (like us) and also new ones, who like to get "free" DLC as often as possible (that is, without purchasing from the Xbox Marketplace or PSN). I know it seems like a kick in the backside to loyal fans, but trust me, i'm sure the gameplay and nostalgic experience will more than make up for it. Seems to me like the game will be a melange of fanboy heaven and commercial viability, which to me = overall success.


Overall success in the sales figures for WB and NRS, yes. Overall success in the eyes of the fans? We'll see. I'm not ready to condemn this game yet.
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12/14/2010 02:18 AM (UTC)
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LucaTurilli Wrote:
They can do that stance changing thing, where they shift positions. I'm pretty sure that's what it'll be.

Stance changing? Is that new gameplay element I wasn't aware of? confused

I just figured it'd be a dash button, as dashing replaced the whole running thing.

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I usually hate store exclusives simply because it makes it so you can't have a complete game with everything, but as long as it all ends up as downloadable for everyone at some point I am extremely happy with this.

Kinda how I feel. I'm getting the tongue rip fatality minus any previous gimmicks that were thrown into it in MKDA; I can't be thinking about marketing injustices right now.
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12/14/2010 02:18 AM (UTC)
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SubxZero Wrote:
I doubt it really matters what Ed Boon said unfortunately. It's the word of the higher executives which counts. WB are looking to make profit, so what have they asked NRS to do? Added Kratos to attempt to create greater audience awareness of the MK brand. They've also added pre-order exclusives, to not only get profit from the retailers offering them, but also by offering "Klassic" costumes and fatalities, they're pulling in hardcore fans (like us) and also new ones, who like to get "free" DLC as often as possible (that is, without purchasing from the Xbox Marketplace or PSN). I know it seems like a kick in the backside to loyal fans, but trust me, i'm sure the gameplay and nostalgic experience will more than make up for it. Seems to me like the game will be a melange of fanboy heaven and commercial viability, which to me = overall success.


They really aren't pulling in the hardcore fans though if so many of the people here are pissed off about it. and I mean I would believe that alot of the hard core fans would be on a mortal kombat forum. I know they are pushing me away at least
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LucaTurilli
12/14/2010 02:22 AM (UTC)
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SubxZero Wrote:
I wasn't referring to Midway worrying about finances. I was referring to WB wanting to milk as much money from us as possible, which is how modern businesses work is it not? "Next contestant", indeed.


There's not a soul on this board that doesn't know that Kratos was put in this game to make money. Just as well, everyone knows that this pre-order nonsense is for the same.

It doesn't justify anything though. I love how people act like shit like this won't continue to expand with each release. But it's okay cause they're making money off of it.
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12/14/2010 02:23 AM (UTC)
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LucaTurilli Wrote:
Yes, being killed by Kratos will certainly herald waves of nostalgia.


Boon has said many times "WB is letting us do our thing".


I didn't say I agree with everything present. I'm talking about the gameplay and feel of the game, how it operates using the 2D system. You can't say there hasn't been any other "new" features placed into the game apart from Kratos, because all of the characters have had a revamp in costume, to say the least. And even if Boon has said that, it doesn't neccessarily mean it's true. Yeah, it'll be true to some degree, but not fully. It'll be true in terms of how the actual game is being made, but not in terms of pre-order exclusives and console exclusives, because they're just being used as marketing gimmicks to allow WB to rake in extra pennies.
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12/14/2010 02:23 AM (UTC)
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Wow, great news and disappoint at the same time.
It's things like this that makes me hate game companies.

The game is not finished and yet they have the nerve to shove this in-game content in our face.

Game, the art book and figurines, yeah, good for Kollectors Edition.
Same shit plus Fight Stick, yeah, good for Tournament Edition.

But things like Alternate costumes, Extra Fatalities and Avatar clothing is something that they could had made us EARN in the game. The fuck is the point of having the Krypt if you're gonna pull a CAPCOM out your ass?!

I'm disappointed of the fact that Scorpion's "Toasty" Fatality is not in the game unless you buy it. After all that bitching "we" did when we saw his piece of shit Second Fatality.

It's like they heard us, and then told us

"Either buy it or shut the fuck up".

Same thing goes for Human Reptile, I didn't care for it but I'm not biased. I read from a lot of people that want this at least for his Alternate costume in the game.
"You want Human Reptile costume? Okay sure, but you're gonna have to pay for it."

Harsh move NRS. Harsh move.

And I'm kinda sad knowing that this game most likely won't have Avatar Awards (360).

Enjoy paying for keys to unlock content that already on the disc.

Seriously MK Team, I thought you knew better.
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LucaTurilli
12/14/2010 02:25 AM (UTC)
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Stance changing? Is that new gameplay element I wasn't aware of? confused

I just figured it'd be a dash button, as dashing replaced the whole running thing.


I'm pretty sure dash is confirmed to be forward forward. The stance changing really doesn't do anything we know of, yet. It just changes which fist the character is leading with, if that makes any sense. It sort of reverses their stance.
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12/14/2010 02:27 AM (UTC)
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SubxZero Wrote:
SEGAmaniac7 Wrote:
mkdfan Wrote:
If they come out here i would expect to pay.

£40 for the game alone,

£60 for the Kollector's Edition,

£70 for the Tournament Edition.

I really hope we find out what we get a when we get it soon in europe.
I remember not getting a solid date for MKDs release here until about 2 weeks before it came out. That sucked donkey balls.


Oh, my bad, thats in euro so ohhh..

I saved myself from acting like a dumbass

But I still think your prices are wrong

The tournament edition is quite limited and will be 80-90 euro,


Dude, that's not the Euro sign. That's a pound sign, as in British money, £? It's different to the Euro... To be honest, you Americans/Canadians are lucky, you get videogames at a cheaper price compared to our exchange rates and currency values.


Oh damn, yea I confuse those two up alot, my bad

But really, I think they are basically the same price

what does 40 pounds conver to in dollars?

I checked it out, basically the same its like 62-63 $

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Adam Ronin
12/14/2010 02:27 AM (UTC)
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Best Mortal Monday ever. Most of you are so incredibly silly to be SO pissed about everything.


I for one am so excited for this game I could die.

Kratos? Meh. I can deal. Better to have Kratos beating some ass in my MK game then god damned The Flash.

DLC? Welcome to modern gaming.

Pre order exclusives? Happens with every big release. Shit happens. Just means MK is no longer a Midway cheese fest. Thank God.

Bring it on.
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12/14/2010 02:27 AM (UTC)
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SubxZero Wrote:
I didn't say I agree with everything present. I'm talking about the gameplay and feel of the game, how it operates using the 2D system. You can't say there hasn't been any other "new" features placed into the game apart from Kratos, because all of the characters have had a revamp in costume, to say the least. And even if Boon has said that, it doesn't neccessarily mean it's true. Yeah, it'll be true to some degree, but not fully. It'll be true in terms of how the actual game is being made, but not in terms of pre-order exclusives and console exclusives, because they're just being used as marketing gimmicks to allow WB to rake in extra pennies.


I have no idea what your point is. Not trying to be a dick, but I just can't derive anything from this. Seems like you're all over the place.
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12/14/2010 02:29 AM (UTC)
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Well, Midway doesn't exist, so they wouldn't have to worry about finances, now would they? I keep forgetting that reading posts before arguing is not a forte of this community.

Stop trying to justify what is unnecessary. They don't need the money, so there isn't a requirement to turn us upside down and shake us until all the money falls out of our pockets.
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12/14/2010 02:29 AM (UTC)
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TheNinjasRock071394 Wrote:
SubxZero Wrote:
I doubt it really matters what Ed Boon said unfortunately. It's the word of the higher executives which counts. WB are looking to make profit, so what have they asked NRS to do? Added Kratos to attempt to create greater audience awareness of the MK brand. They've also added pre-order exclusives, to not only get profit from the retailers offering them, but also by offering "Klassic" costumes and fatalities, they're pulling in hardcore fans (like us) and also new ones, who like to get "free" DLC as often as possible (that is, without purchasing from the Xbox Marketplace or PSN). I know it seems like a kick in the backside to loyal fans, but trust me, i'm sure the gameplay and nostalgic experience will more than make up for it. Seems to me like the game will be a melange of fanboy heaven and commercial viability, which to me = overall success.


They really aren't pulling in the hardcore fans though if so many of the people here are pissed off about it. and I mean I would believe that alot of the hard core fans would be on a mortal kombat forum. I know they are pushing me away at least


Well according to Hans Lo apparently the hardcore fans havent been left out, but I can certainly say that the way things are going down now isnt going to just make me give up hope anytime soon. I will wait until the final product is released before I make such a irrational decision.
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12/14/2010 02:29 AM (UTC)
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I know it's not going to be a game suited fully for hardcore fans; they'd lose out on so much money if they aimed it at us mostly. I know we deserve it for the years of sub-par 3D MK games that have been released, but unfortunately NRS are part of WB now, and WB want money. That's their prime concern. Not saying that I agree with this, just stating this viewpoint, I think a lot of users get a little narrow-minded and forget about the games presence in the real world of business. Besides, yeah we have Kratos in the PS3 version, and yeah we have pre-order exclusives, but besides that what do we have? A game that's turning out to be a brilliant re-launch of the series. If one guest character and a few costumes ruin the game for you, then it's a sad day indeed.
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12/14/2010 02:34 AM (UTC)
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GoDisNotHereTODAY Wrote:
Best Mortal Monday ever. Most of you are so incredibly silly to be SO pissed about everything.


I for one am so excited for this game I could die.

Kratos? Meh. I can deal. Better to have Kratos beating some ass in my MK game then god damned The Flash.

DLC? Welcome to modern gaming.

Pre order exclusives? Happens with every big release. Shit happens. Just means MK is no longer a Midway cheese fest. Thank God.

Bring it on.

Agreed, all most the people do on these forums is complain. They've been doing it since this game was confirmed. We'll get amazing news and then they find the smallest thing and bitch about it. I for one, am excited for this game to come out. DLC, this is what all games do. Are people really gonna say they didn't see this coming? Come on guys, they're with WB not Midway. Almost every game is starting to focus on online and dlc. So don't think that MK is just gonna stay away from it. Be thankful for what we're receiving people wink
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