KungLaodoesntsuck •05/29/2012 11:27 PM (UTC) •
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
I must have misunderstood the concept then, but I did say I'm not much of a sportsfan. Is it really normal for "the best" to fight "the worst" in the first
rounds in sports like that? Because I would hardly call that fair.
Nephrite Wrote:
This is not a league competition. This is a single bracket elimination tournament. The best example in sport you can find to make a comparison is tennis.
Roland Garros, one of the biggest tennis tournaments, just started in Paris and guess what? The two top players in the world are seeded no.1 (Novak Djokovic) and no.2 (Rafael Nadal) and they are placed on the opposite sides of the draw. It's like that in any tennis tournament, two top seeds are always on the opposite sides of the draw and all the seeded (higher ranked) players play unseeded (lower ranked) players in the early rounds. The two top players cannot play each other before the final match of the tournament. Think of Scorpion and Sub-Zero as Djokovic and Nadal.
Even in football/soccer World Cup there are seeded teams. You don't see Brazil, Argentina, Spain, England, Netherlands, Germany and Italy play each other early on. They're seeded and play "weaker" teams early on in groups. It's the same in the UEFA Champions League for clubs.
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This is not a league competition. This is a single bracket elimination tournament. The best example in sport you can find to make a comparison is tennis.
Roland Garros, one of the biggest tennis tournaments, just started in Paris and guess what? The two top players in the world are seeded no.1 (Novak Djokovic) and no.2 (Rafael Nadal) and they are placed on the opposite sides of the draw. It's like that in any tennis tournament, two top seeds are always on the opposite sides of the draw and all the seeded (higher ranked) players play unseeded (lower ranked) players in the early rounds. The two top players cannot play each other before the final match of the tournament. Think of Scorpion and Sub-Zero as Djokovic and Nadal.
Even in football/soccer World Cup there are seeded teams. You don't see Brazil, Argentina, Spain, England, Netherlands, Germany and Italy play each other early on. They're seeded and play "weaker" teams early on in groups. It's the same in the UEFA Champions League for clubs.
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I must have misunderstood the concept then, but I did say I'm not much of a sportsfan. Is it really normal for "the best" to fight "the worst" in the first
rounds in sports like that? Because I would hardly call that fair.
Yup. That's really how it works. That's how they weed out the weak from the strong.
Scar_Subby •05/29/2012 11:31 PM (UTC) •
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
There are so much wrong in that post of yours that it hurts.
What you are basically saying is that it is alright to treat people unequally, because the popular ones are better than the unpopular ones. What, are you a high school cheerleader in a bad teenage flick?
Don't you think the fans of the less popular ones would at least want to see their favourite characters get a chance of getting up a few rounds instead of just getting wiped out from the start? But no, instead they get it thrown in the face that because they like unpopular characters, they aren't worth getting a fair shot in this competition.
It will only be 100% fair if the fights were picked randomly, like picking names up from a hat and put them together two and two. But looking at how the fights are put together, I really doubt that's the case. If it was the case, then NM's comment about the fights being "logically" set up is again disproven.
Scar_Subby Wrote:
Yeah, but honestly Jaded, what do people wait for in a main event? They wait for the more popular characters to face off, while the less popular character get put out first.
The whole second round is filled with matchups which people have been waiting to see forever. Honestly, if this whole thing ended up coming down to Taven and Daegon I would have been less interested.
Just saying, I wouldn't have put all of the more popular characters up against each other in the first round either. I mean if Mileena and Kitana faced off in the first round and one of them were eliminated while someone like Kira or something got to advance that would just suck.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Logically? Just look at the four first fights. How are those characters put against eachother set up logically in any way? Sub-Zero and Daegon? Taven and Frost? Why is it logical that THEY fight?
There are LOTS of more logical ways to put the characters up against with, such as Subbie and Scorpion, Kitana and Mileena, Hotaru and Havik, Shang Tsung and Quan Chi, Raiden and Fujin...
So far it is as people have said, all the popular characters have been set up against not-so-popular characters, with only a very few exceptions. But hey, you can tell me whatever, because neither of us can prove the other one wrong. I just call it how I see it.
Ninja_Mime Wrote:
It's set up pretty logically and the outcomes are entirely dependent on the poll results. If a character is less popular, they're less popular and won't advance. That's just how it works. There's nothing but votes keeping Bo' Rai Cho from beating Shang Tsung.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Yup, this competition is rigged.
Yup, this competition is rigged.
It's set up pretty logically and the outcomes are entirely dependent on the poll results. If a character is less popular, they're less popular and won't advance. That's just how it works. There's nothing but votes keeping Bo' Rai Cho from beating Shang Tsung.
Logically? Just look at the four first fights. How are those characters put against eachother set up logically in any way? Sub-Zero and Daegon? Taven and Frost? Why is it logical that THEY fight?
There are LOTS of more logical ways to put the characters up against with, such as Subbie and Scorpion, Kitana and Mileena, Hotaru and Havik, Shang Tsung and Quan Chi, Raiden and Fujin...
So far it is as people have said, all the popular characters have been set up against not-so-popular characters, with only a very few exceptions. But hey, you can tell me whatever, because neither of us can prove the other one wrong. I just call it how I see it.
Yeah, but honestly Jaded, what do people wait for in a main event? They wait for the more popular characters to face off, while the less popular character get put out first.
The whole second round is filled with matchups which people have been waiting to see forever. Honestly, if this whole thing ended up coming down to Taven and Daegon I would have been less interested.
Just saying, I wouldn't have put all of the more popular characters up against each other in the first round either. I mean if Mileena and Kitana faced off in the first round and one of them were eliminated while someone like Kira or something got to advance that would just suck.
There are so much wrong in that post of yours that it hurts.
What you are basically saying is that it is alright to treat people unequally, because the popular ones are better than the unpopular ones. What, are you a high school cheerleader in a bad teenage flick?
Don't you think the fans of the less popular ones would at least want to see their favourite characters get a chance of getting up a few rounds instead of just getting wiped out from the start? But no, instead they get it thrown in the face that because they like unpopular characters, they aren't worth getting a fair shot in this competition.
It will only be 100% fair if the fights were picked randomly, like picking names up from a hat and put them together two and two. But looking at how the fights are put together, I really doubt that's the case. If it was the case, then NM's comment about the fights being "logically" set up is again disproven.
This is a popularity contest though. Hell no it's not right to play the popular game, but when it comes down to it this is a popularity contest because people are going to vote for the most popular characters.
The guys who made the competition were obviously just trying to keep the competition more interesting. I mean if Scorpion and Sub-Zero, Mileena and Kitana were put up against each other in the first round. Then Scorpion and Kitana in the second round that would just be cutting your popular characters just to keep unpopular characters. Which makes no sense because you are basically just doing the opposite of giving the popular characters an advantage, you are then giving the unpopular characters an advantage which makes less sense than keeping your popular characters in.
In the end the most popular character is going to end up winning anyway. Regardless of who they face in the final round. If Raiden makes it to the end and faces Taven then it would still be Raiden winning just the same as if it was Raiden vs Scorpion.
It's a voting competition for heaven's sake, what the heck is there to cry over? Because the characters who are most known are going up against characters who have only been in one game with the exception of Armageddon?
At least the non-favorite characters have been getting votes, it's not like they're not getting votes. Geeze, some people really can't just have fun with this.
At least the non-favorite characters have been getting votes, it's not like they're not getting votes. Geeze, some people really can't just have fun with this.
KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:
How are the fights rigged? The only thing stopping the newer fighters from making it to round 2 is the voting. People vote for who they like. It's That simple.
Saying "It's rigged" would imply that the voting is influenced, it's not. I have voted for less popular characters like Meat and Mokap. This is a fair contest.
How are the fights rigged? The only thing stopping the newer fighters from making it to round 2 is the voting. People vote for who they like. It's That simple.
Saying "It's rigged" would imply that the voting is influenced, it's not. I have voted for less popular characters like Meat and Mokap. This is a fair contest.
Many of the "less popular" characters have strong fanbases, but were matched against characters they obviously couldn't win against in a vote.
It's like matching Usher, a successful and very popular artist, against Michael Jackson, a music icon with success and popularity lasting beyond his death. It's unfair; the icon would obviously win.
These one-sided matches also manifest a long lasting flaw in the MK series; with in each game, too many characters are created, with only a few receiving initial recognition. Other characters are either dragged along, eventually gaining some kind of credibility, or are cast out completely. Deception and Armageddon are to perfect examples. Many of the characters reintroduced in those games were not seen in almost ten years.
Also, take a look at these stats:
Of the 30 characters currently in the series prior to 1997, only eight appeared in MK4 as principle characters. None of those characters were originally introduced in MK3 or its updates.
Of the seven principle characters originally introduced in MK4, only one appeared in Deadly Alliance.
Of the eight prinicple characters originally introduced in Deadly Alliance, only three appeared in Deception.
As you can see, many characters are made, but very few are catered to, thus leaving very little for the gamers to go with. This is why we have so many "less popular" characters.
Scar_Subby •05/30/2012 12:17 AM (UTC) •
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Riyakou Wrote:
Many of the "less popular" characters have strong fanbases, but were matched against characters they obviously couldn't win against in a vote.
It's like matching Usher, a successful and very popular artist, against Michael Jackson, a music icon with success and popularity lasting beyond his death. It's unfair; the icon would obviously win.
These one-sided matches also manifest a long lasting flaw in the MK series; with in each game, too many characters are created, with only a few receiving initial recognition. Other characters are either dragged along, eventually gaining some kind of credibility, or are cast out completely. Deception and Armageddon are to perfect examples. Many of the characters reintroduced in those games were not seen in almost ten years.
Also, take a look at these stats:
Of the 30 characters currently in the series prior to 1997, only eight appeared in MK4 as principle characters. None of those characters were originally introduced in MK3 or its updates.
Of the seven principle characters originally introduced in MK4, only one appeared in Deadly Alliance.
Of the eight prinicple characters originally introduced in Deadly Alliance, only three appeared in Deception.
As you can see, many characters are made, but very few are catered to, thus leaving very little for the gamers to go with. This is why we have so many "unpopular" characters.
KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:
How are the fights rigged? The only thing stopping the newer fighters from making it to round 2 is the voting. People vote for who they like. It's That simple.
Saying "It's rigged" would imply that the voting is influenced, it's not. I have voted for less popular characters like Meat and Mokap. This is a fair contest.
How are the fights rigged? The only thing stopping the newer fighters from making it to round 2 is the voting. People vote for who they like. It's That simple.
Saying "It's rigged" would imply that the voting is influenced, it's not. I have voted for less popular characters like Meat and Mokap. This is a fair contest.
Many of the "less popular" characters have strong fanbases, but were matched against characters they obviously couldn't win against in a vote.
It's like matching Usher, a successful and very popular artist, against Michael Jackson, a music icon with success and popularity lasting beyond his death. It's unfair; the icon would obviously win.
These one-sided matches also manifest a long lasting flaw in the MK series; with in each game, too many characters are created, with only a few receiving initial recognition. Other characters are either dragged along, eventually gaining some kind of credibility, or are cast out completely. Deception and Armageddon are to perfect examples. Many of the characters reintroduced in those games were not seen in almost ten years.
Also, take a look at these stats:
Of the 30 characters currently in the series prior to 1997, only eight appeared in MK4 as principle characters. None of those characters were originally introduced in MK3 or its updates.
Of the seven principle characters originally introduced in MK4, only one appeared in Deadly Alliance.
Of the eight prinicple characters originally introduced in Deadly Alliance, only three appeared in Deception.
As you can see, many characters are made, but very few are catered to, thus leaving very little for the gamers to go with. This is why we have so many "unpopular" characters.
Wow, those are some crazy stats. Basically you're saying they should follow up on their characters once they introduce them. Bo Rai Cho, Li Mei, and Kenshi were the only characters from Deadly Alliance to return in Deception.
While none of the new fighters from MK4 with the exception of Quan Chi returned in Deadly Alliance.
That's just dumb. That's why only like one new character should be in the next game as well. They should bring all of the worthwhile characters from MK4-MKA back and give them a chance this time while letting all of the others die off.
Then in MK11 they can try a FEW new characters like 3 maybe 4. NO more than that though, and returning characters from MK 9 and MK10.
KungLaodoesntsuck •05/30/2012 12:22 AM (UTC) •
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I recognize that the match-ups might SEEM unfair. But that's just how it is. You want a less popular character to win, vote for them.
But it is just a popularity contest, so let's just have fun with it.
But it is just a popularity contest, so let's just have fun with it.
Scar_Subby Wrote:
Wow, those are some crazy stats. Basically you're saying they should follow up on their characters once they introduce them. Bo Rai Cho, Li Mei, and Kenshi were the only characters from Deadly Alliance to return in Deception.
While none of the new fighters from MK4 with the exception of Quan Chi returned in Deadly Alliance.
That's just dumb. That's why only like one new character should be in the next game as well. They should bring all of the worthwhile characters from MK4-MKA back and give them a chance this time while letting all of the others die off.
Then in MK11 they can try a FEW new characters like 3 maybe 4. NO more than that though, and returning characters from MK 9 and MK10.
Wow, those are some crazy stats. Basically you're saying they should follow up on their characters once they introduce them. Bo Rai Cho, Li Mei, and Kenshi were the only characters from Deadly Alliance to return in Deception.
While none of the new fighters from MK4 with the exception of Quan Chi returned in Deadly Alliance.
That's just dumb. That's why only like one new character should be in the next game as well. They should bring all of the worthwhile characters from MK4-MKA back and give them a chance this time while letting all of the others die off.
Then in MK11 they can try a FEW new characters like 3 maybe 4. NO more than that though, and returning characters from MK 9 and MK10.
My point is you shouldn't create so many characters if you're only going to expand on a few.
If you're only going to make three or four characters that's fine, but if you're going to push out seven or eight, expand on at least five, otherwise it's a waste of work.
NRS has obviously been creating more characters than they're willing to work with. I think for them, cutting down on the amount made is a good thing.
UNdiscovered •05/30/2012 01:35 AM (UTC) •
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Big Bo would sit on and gnaw on Shang Tsung
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SubMan799 •05/30/2012 01:38 AM (UTC) •
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Vote for Bo!
Vigoruler •05/30/2012 01:55 AM (UTC) •
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You want a lesser character to win, then vote for them. Just like in sports, top seed versus low seed. Maybe you'll get lucky and see a "Cinderella" before round one is over!
James_Sunderland •05/30/2012 02:37 AM (UTC) •
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I dunno I think Kenshi might have a chance to break the streak of the lesser characters since he seems to have a popular fanbase, I think the polls will come fairly close with him against Nightwolf.
The only polls I'm actually excited about are Ermac vs Reptile, Smoke vs Sektor, and Ashrah vs Nitara. I think all of those will come fairly close in votes. The others are pretty much a given.
The only polls I'm actually excited about are Ermac vs Reptile, Smoke vs Sektor, and Ashrah vs Nitara. I think all of those will come fairly close in votes. The others are pretty much a given.
Scar_Subby •05/30/2012 02:51 AM (UTC) •
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James_Sunderland Wrote:
I dunno I think Kenshi might have a chance to break the streak of the lesser characters since he seems to have a popular fanbase, I think the polls will come fairly close with him against Nightwolf.
The only polls I'm actually excited about are Ermac vs Reptile, Smoke vs Sektor, and Ashrah vs Nitara. I think all of those will come fairly close in votes. The others are pretty much a given.
I dunno I think Kenshi might have a chance to break the streak of the lesser characters since he seems to have a popular fanbase, I think the polls will come fairly close with him against Nightwolf.
The only polls I'm actually excited about are Ermac vs Reptile, Smoke vs Sektor, and Ashrah vs Nitara. I think all of those will come fairly close in votes. The others are pretty much a given.
I wouldn't neccessarily say that Kenshi is the lesser of the characters between he and Nightwolf. He was introduced later but his fanbase is overwhelming. I think he will most certainly beat Nightwolf.
Also, Smoke is going to blow Sektor out of the water. For whatever reason Smoke has one of the larger fanbases in MK. I don't know why but that has been the truth for ever since I can remember. I don't know if it's the name or what, but he has a huge fanbase. Sektor does not stand a chance. Although I will probably vote Sektor because personally I never liked human smoke.
Ashrah and Nitara should be good though. I'm expecting a Nitara win there though.
Ermac and Reptile should be a throwdown too. I'm even torn there.
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It's another Round 1 blockbuster as two of Earthrealm's greatest heroic souls go head-to-head! As a powerful shaman, Nightwolf's connection with the spirit world is unparalleled, allowing him to converse with divine beings and harness the powers of his people -- as well as their sins! When blinded by the escaping souls of his warrior ancestors, the once arrogant sword saint, Kenshi, was taught a harsh lesson in humility. Stripped of his sight, the swordsman learns to see with his soul, developing greater skills than before.
KungLaodoesntsuck •05/30/2012 05:09 AM (UTC) •
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I voted Kenshi.
I didn't really care for him at first, but he grew on me. I really like Nightwolf but I feel like Kenshi has the cool factor. Being a blind, telepathic swordsman and all.
I didn't really care for him at first, but he grew on me. I really like Nightwolf but I feel like Kenshi has the cool factor. Being a blind, telepathic swordsman and all.
The concept art speaks for itself. Dat ass wins.
Seriously though, I pick Kenshi, but I could go either way with this one. Kenshi is nice, Nightwolf is nice... Neither is particularly offensive... I would vote for Nightwolf based on the story for him I have in my head, but Nightwolf hasn't actually done these things I want him to do yet so... He remains a character I'm not that interested in, gameplay or story. Kenshi, on the other hand, is someone I've always kind of liked.
Seriously though, I pick Kenshi, but I could go either way with this one. Kenshi is nice, Nightwolf is nice... Neither is particularly offensive... I would vote for Nightwolf based on the story for him I have in my head, but Nightwolf hasn't actually done these things I want him to do yet so... He remains a character I'm not that interested in, gameplay or story. Kenshi, on the other hand, is someone I've always kind of liked.
James_Sunderland •05/30/2012 05:22 AM (UTC) •
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Voted for Nightwolf. MK9 really redeemed him in my opinion. Kenshi was always meh to me, though I will admit he has some of the best mk9 fatalities.
Rockchalk5477 •05/30/2012 05:24 AM (UTC) •
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Kenshi. My favorite character. His motivations are stagnant, but otherwise, he's great.
Super fun to play as (except online,) and great fatalities and specials.
Nightwolf certainly is not a bad character, though.
Super fun to play as (except online,) and great fatalities and specials.
Nightwolf certainly is not a bad character, though.
Scar_Subby •05/30/2012 05:27 AM (UTC) •
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I want to cry inside.lol. I love Both of these characters, but ultimately.........I voted for Kenshi.
MrInternational •05/30/2012 05:35 AM (UTC) •
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Nightwolf. He was really fun to play as in MK9.
Noobsmoke92 •05/30/2012 06:04 AM (UTC) •
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Kenshi,ONLY because of design...
Prior to MK9, I would have edged in Kenshi's favor. But MK9 pushed Nightwolf over the top. Now not only has this man been seen to purify souls and ensnare evil ones in the Netherealm, he gave Scorpion a verbal smackdown and later died the single greatest death in all of Mortal Kombat's history. Nightwolf got some serious cool points this game, so he gets it from me.
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