oracle Wrote:
You said you view her as a weaker character because she needs to be rescued often.

Jaded-Raven Wrote:
No no, that was not what I said. I said that the way she has been portrayed in the later games weakens her character, as it undermines the way she was portrayed in the earlier games.

If she was always meant to be a "damsel-in-distress" character, then fair enough, that's what she is, that is her character... But that was not how she started out being.

oracle Wrote:
She's portrayed differently because her roll is different. She hasn't been an Outworld assassin since MKII and we've seen her in the role of Edenia's protector and princess for far longer. I suppose you can be nostalgic about how she was for one game but I don't think her character is weaker for it.

Even in this game she carries herself with authority and badassery.

Nephrite Wrote:


I disagree. Sonya couldn't even beat Noob Saibot who is certainly less popular than Sub-Zero. At the moment Subby vs Kitty is 60%-40% in Sub's favor, and it is a fairly convincing lead. However, look at the previous round and what happened to Quan Chi vs Sub-Zero. Quan Chi (one of the greatest villains in the franchise) couldn't even break 30% (!!) (27.6% was his score vs Subby). So when you look at that, Kitana isn't doing that bad actually.

That's the whole thing. I'm afraid here on MKO no one stands a chance against Sub-Zero. I still predict a Sub-Zero vs Smoke final with Subby taking the win.




Again, I think you're underestimating Kitana's success here. She didn't do badly against Shao Kahn and Rain, she beat them. Shao Kahn is considered the most iconic villain in the series and he eliminated Sindel in the previous round, so he's no weak opposition by any means. When it comes to Rain, just remember the army of Rain fans that emerged when DLC talks started for MK2011. They were all over the place. But even then, Kitana's supporters outnumbered all the Rain fans and Kitana haters. She didn't do badly at all.

Going back to a possible Jade vs Kitana match-up and you having "no doubt" about Jade winning that. While it's true that Jade's (visual) appearance in the latest game got better reception from MKO folks than Kitana's, you're forgetting how much Kitana's gameplay has been praised. After all, she's the only female in Top 10 most used characters on the official website on both consoles (as of this moment, plus it has been like that for about a year now) + she's tier-list wise (way) better than Jade. That's just taking the latest game into account, which is not the only factor people take into account when they vote and Kitana's history throughout many games certainly tops Jade's imo and I'd say in the opinion of the majority.

I just think you're underestimating Kitana's performance/support here, that's all. Nice to see you post though!




I was cheering for Sektor and Cyrax too! I really think Smoke is going to end-up as a runner-up though. He already had lots of fans and now with his new popular gameplay he's become an even stronger competitor.

Ki5hiDo Wrote:
This kontest is a farce... Everyone knows that Reptile should have won.

Baraka407 Wrote:


Ever have honey crisp apples? They don't make a good pie because they're so juicy, but sliced up, they're flat out awesome. Unfortunately, they're only in season for about two months out of the year (September and October). But they're usually enormous, they look cool, and they're way better than most other apples I've had, though I can't recall if I've had ambrosia apples before...

SubMan799 Wrote:
Is Jax a damsel in distress?

petrcech Wrote:

At the end of the day, ladies and gentlemen, there was only one female good enough to make it to the top 8! Sonya, Mileena and Jade have one thing in common, they were eliminated. Kitana has proven again that even though she's not the poster gal of MK, she is still the strongest.

I know its hard for fans who dislike Kitana, or fans that favor another female. I know its hard for Sonya fans. But the fact is that Kitana is the only female to reach the top 8.

Take a look at the Edenian Goddess.

ShadowPreacher Wrote:LOL non-canon games don't count

RedSumac Wrote:
Jax simply couldn't be "DiD". Unlike Kitana, he had a stable portrayal and he never was relagated into "someone who needs to be saved constantly" in the last games. The same goes for Sonya. While both characters have been in situations, when somebody should have saved them, those events didn't affected their characters much. They have shrugged it and continue to be awesome (for some). MK9 is kind of good example of this. While Sonya was captured, she didn't lost her presence as a cool character. While Jax suffered a lot in this game, he still kicked ass later and wasn't really worsened by those events, aside form his death, but that was problem with general plot, not his.

Jaded-Raven Wrote:


Yes they do. They all add to the portrayals of Kitana.

queve Wrote:


?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but, that means nothing. How do you think things would have been had Kitana's first battle had been against Sub-Zero and not just now? Or if Jade had been in another line of characters and not up against Cage? Or if Kitana had been in the first line of characters and not the second? Yeah, she would have been out by round 1 and that's fact.

Its not about "who lasted longer" since the order and organization of this whole tournament could had made anyone go either way, its about the % of their votes against their rivals. So, no, sorry.

But, you are absolutely free to feel whatever makes you happy, invalid as it might be. :) I'm not going to argue. Gotta get to work!

PS: Oh! By horribel appearances I was talking about her *overall appearance* in the latest games. Not just her physical design or whatever, specifically. Everything counts.

oracle Wrote:
They're completely different timelines. It's like saying Marvel 616 characters are the same as their ultimate counter parts.

Or like saying movie Jade is the same as Jade in MK9. Or even Raiden, lord knows everyone wants the funny sarcastic Raiden from the first MK movie.

Non canon sources almost have no bearing on what happens in the actual story. The romances from the first MK movie and Kung Lao's MKSM personality not withstanding.

Scar_Subby Wrote:


True dat Queve true dat. Honestly, If the votes wouldn't have went longer than they should have Jade would be sitting here longer than Kitana anyway. Like I said it's just a poll, but I'm adding that little tidbit since we are bringing up the Kitana is better than the other females thing.

ShadowPreacher Wrote:
Exactly Oracle. Head canon. Posters here live and die by it. There's nothing inherent in Kitana's potrayal post-capture that explicitly says she turns into some wimp while Sonya and Jax don't. It's how they WANT to see her, and therefore how they CHOOSE to see her, and they won't listen to any opinions to the contrary.

Hell, the only thing she really does after her capture but before the Sindel fight is decap a Lin Kuei in a shower of blood. Lol, wow what a wimp! And yes Sindel did kill her...along with most of the other heroes incluing MKO's beloved Sue-Zero...BUT NO WE"RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THEM! ONLY KITANA MATTERS!

And no J-R, non canon doesn't count and especially not since the new game went out of its way to undo her Shaolin Monks potrayal. I had a little trepidation myself that they would undo her past as a bad guy and go with the brainwashing spell. I was delighted to see they brought back her original background. The only thing they changed from Mk2 was WHEN she found out the truth, and they did that because now that they have cutscenes and characters who actually talk, "show don't tell" is the way to go.

As for some other bullshit I've been reading..."she doesn't feel like one of Kahn's killers". I wonder if Shang felt the same way when she was about to decap his ass. She even looked a little disappointed when Kahn called her off, lol.

She oozes attitude and confidence in the new game. "You will learn respect!", anyone? Ironically Mileena comes across as much more silly and girly. Mileena may be the evil one, but it's Kitana who's the badass one.

I would also like to point to any onlookers who may be reading this: notice which people here actually back their case with stuff from the games, and which people just go with some vague nebulous "feeling" they get from the characters.

ShadowPreacher Wrote:
Riiiiight.

Anyone who dares disagree with the "mighty" Jaded-Raven, such a master of debate and cool-headed, airtight logic, must CLEARLY be trolling.

It's the only possible explaination.

Ki5hiDo Wrote:
This kontest is a farce... Everyone knows that Reptile should have won.

ShadowPreacher Wrote:
Oh quit crying. You talk about non-tolerance of others' opinions, meanwhile the reason you call me a troll is because I have no problem with Freddy. You accuse me, so I say yeah go ahead, call me a troll if you want, I really don't care.

And then when you duck and dodge my questions for you but then turn around and answer them when someone else asks you and *admit* as much, well, you're kinda explicitly being an asshole, so don't expect any favors from me.

Just try not to leave MK fandom "forever" and make a big attention seeking song and dance about it again if they ever bring in another guest character. Followed by, of course, your "shocking" return a few days later. "Hay guise, just kidding !"

Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Queve hit it spot on.
I never said Kitana is the same Kitana in all those portrayals. I am saying that her character is weakened in those portrayals and that they are all recent portrayals of her - a portrayal I don't like.