To answer someone's question about if Kitana is liked or not, I don't like her.

I used to back when she debuted and a little bit in Ultimate, but after a while, they did absolutely nothing with her. She's too bland and she's just had nothing exciting happening to her. No dramatic change in appearance, with the exception of her hair but that's a whole different story.

With Mileena, look at her. She's got a whole appearance change after entering the computer graphics world, people pay more attention to her than Kitana.

Now, someone's probably going to question me, "Well then why isn't Mileena in Kitana's place in this tournament if she had a lot more attention to her?" Well, I can't answer that because everyone's opinions differs for the results. Everyone's got a different opinion for Kitana.

I'm one of those fans who used to like her, then started to lose interest with the lack of excitement they put into her character. She may have been one of the best to use in MK2 because of her outrageous combos people can create... but after a while, I just hardly see anyone, and I do mean, anyone touch this girl online...

Plus, I do have an issue with the sizes of her fans... They CONSTANTLY change throughout each game... and I remember my thread about that too.

Lets not pretend it's not because of them tits.

Am I the only one that likes Kitana's new tiara and hope it makes a triumphant return in the next MK?

That's not why I pay attention to Mileena. ;P

And yes, yes you are. Well, no, I know another Kitana fan who thinks she looks perfect in this game, wd-something something.

YOU KNOW I'M TALKEN BOUT DEM TITTIES!!!

Nah, but seriously.

Ooh, she looks far from perfect. There's a lot I'd change. The Sailor Moon/Wonder Woman fan in me won't me hate on that tiara though.

But yeah Mileena even got a new outfit for MKG while Kitana got stuck in that horrible MK3 thingy. But yeah, all the outfits show them titties so...XD

Why are people here always calling her "damsel in distress"? The double standards around here are kinda sickening. Yes, Kitana was held prisoner by the bad guys at some point in MK9...but so was Sonya, and no one calls her a damsel in distress.

Hell, Jax is first introduced as a prisoner in MK9. Are we gonna call JAX a damsel in distress too?

And I don't know why a female character being 'girly" is supposed to be a bad thing, but Kitana has always been girly. She's the Veronica to Sonya's Betty. Mileena's pretty girly herself.

Speaking of Mileena and double standards, the same games that changed Kitana's color from dark to light blue also gave Mileena the equivalant change from purple to pink. No one was decrying it as character assassination or some such for her. If you don't like the lighter blue,just use her Player 2 color. Her retro MK2 costume in 2P color is a dead ringer for her original sprite.

Anyway, I think Kitana's main costume in 9 is the best she's ever looked. Whoever said they loved the tiara, I totally agree.

I'm voting for Sub-Zero. (I knew Sub-Zero would win this round, but so far, Kitana is getting stomped!!!

I like both but I voted for Sub-Zero. I think he's been a consistently above average character, while Kitana definitely lost her way in the last generation. Her storyline became dull, which is a shame because it was great in the original trilogy. I also hated her costumes, particularly her bathing suit DA alternate/Armageddon primary. I know people like that costume, but I can't figure out why. I also didn't like playing with her, although a lot of good characters received poor gameplay in these games.

However, I enjoyed her a lot in the last game. I like her primary and think it's a good look and I love that they brought back her MK2 costume. Also she was really fun to play as. She had great gameplay to me. Her story still needs work, but I can excuse that.

Sub-Zero just has fewer faults than Kitana does to me. I still really want to see her again in the next game though.

Sonya's personality has been consistent throughout the series, from the old timeline to the new one. Kitana's personality has gone from being the strong woman to a helpless girl. Though Sonya was captured, she was no damsel-in-distress, while Kitana has become just that. It's like every single opportunity of her getting caught and needed to be saved is being seized.

I don't mind a character being girly if she is meant to be that from the start. Kitana has become more girly (or princessy, if that's a word) than she was before, in her sense of fashion with the light blue colours with the silver edges and the tiara. I don't think that's flattering. It fits her new persona though. I don't care that much about the colours though.

It's all a matter of opinion though. If you like it, that's cool. But not all share your opinion and there's nothing you can do about that. I happen to like Mileena's new personality and I think pink fits her, so of course I'm not going to complain about it. As said, it is all a matter of opinion.

J-R, you don't even explain yourself. You just reiterate what you already said. "Kitana is a helpless girl who needs rescue and Sonya's not."

Ok...why? Because you said so? That's not how a debate works. Back yourself up or don't bother, don't just hide behind "that's just my opinion". No shit it's your opinion, so tell us how you GOT to that opinion. And how did Kitana just "become" a damsel in distresswhen captive while Sonya didn't?

Need I remind you that in the original storyline, Sonya sat out MK2 chained up in Kahn's arena, till Jax rescued her. Hell , in MK1 Sonya was the only character not there out of her own volition. All the other guys willingly entered a death tournament and put their lives and souls at risk. Sonya was only there because she got taken prisoner and was being forced to compete.

I already stated why. I will go into details, just for you then, SP.
In the original timeline, she found out about her true heritage, decided to leave Shao Kahn on her own which shows independency and intuition, she convinced Jade to come with her and together they fought Reptile, they join the Earthrealm warriors, fight back Shao Kahn, Kitana rescues Sindel and convinces her too, they free Edenia, then when Shinnok takes over Edenia, Kitana escapes ON HER OWN and fights back along with the Earthrealm warriors again, then makes peace with the Shokans and the Centaurians, gathers an army and fights the last of Shao Kahn's forces, then goes against the Deadly Alliance...

All this without needing to be rescued once.
That's when it goes downhill. She dies, along with many others, gets resurrected and is mind-controlled by Onaga. That's the first time she needs to be rescued. Then they retconned the MK1-MK3 story in Shaolin Monks with Kitana having a spell on her and needs to be rescued. The same in MKvsDCU, due to the Rage. And now in the newest game, she just stands by as she is taken away only to be rescued again. And then she dies, only to have her soul enslaved by Quan Chi this time.

That is why I consider her a damsel-in-distress in the later games.

Ok, Shaolin Monks and MKvsDC aren't canon. I shouldn't have to tell you that.

Yes, she lost to the Deadly Alliance and got herself killed and resurrected as a slave, but so did all the other heroes there, including "tough chick" Sonya.

And you can't hold it against a character because MK9 reshuffled the timeline. If the new Mk9 Kitana HAD found out the truth about her parentage before she did (as she had in the original story), you have no way of knowing that she wouldn't have turned against Kahn and aided the good guys, ON HER OWN as she had before. She never got a chance in the new timeline.

So all these reasons of yours sound pretty flimsy to me. I think you just don't like her (which is fine) but all this other stuff is just what you convinced yourself after the fact to justify it. Why? Just say you don't like Kitana and leave it at that.

I feel like this is kind of a bad example. Most of the heroes of MKDA were enslaved and needed rescuing in MKD so that's kind of a moot point. I agree with you on MKvsDCU though, that was definitely annoying and of course she was captured in the most recent MK but again almost all the heroes got their souls stolen. Kitana is hardly a stand out here.

For the record I feel like she's a damsel in distress too but for reasons that mostly have to do with the game canon/backstory. Why a 10,000 year old assassin isn't the baddest bitch in the story is BEYOND my comprehension. Sometimes I think MK is just too fantastic lol.

Also shout out to the dude that likes the tiara lol.

It doesn't matter if they are canon or not, it doesn't matter if any of the other characters had the same fate, those are just lame excuses in an attempt to try and put Kitana in a different light... We are talking about JUST Kitana and this is what happened with her in the recent games. So yeah, I can hold it against her and I do.
I still like her though. Just because there is some parts of her I disagree with doesn't mean I have to totally dismiss her. It's not that black and white.

*brofist*

So J-R, no comment on Sonya being a damsel in distress in Mk2, and arguably even MK1? You seem to be doing anything to duck and dodge to avoid that point.

I think your problem is you already have an image of the characters in your head a certain way, and then try to fit what the games show to match your pre-conceptions. Which is backwards of course. You see princesses as weak and flowery by definition, so naturally to you if Kitana is a princess then she is weak and flowery and girly by default. And you see Sonya as a tough chick, so when she's captured and SHE needs rescuing, it "doesn't count". And you're unwilling to step outside your box for a moment and look at the characters any other way. Same with Scorpion.

Meanwhile I go in with a clean slate, take in what the games show us, and form my views of the characters based on that instead of vice versa like "some" people.

Nope, no comment about the other characters. I was focusing on Kitana this time, because it was her we were discussing and it is her who is in the poll right now. Maybe another time. Also, your perception on me and you trying to tell me how I think... Yeah, good luck with that.

No luck needed, friend. I don't necessarily expect you to admit any of that even to yourself, let alone to me.

And you're never at a loss for words (as we're all painfully aware). So now you really won't explain your stance on Sonya, just because she's not in this round? Come on now.

Kitana has set one impression permanently that I will never forget. BITCH OF MK2. Ever since I never ever looked her way.

Subby hands down

Critisize me if it makes you feel better. I have given my explanation, if that wasn't good enough for you, well, then too bad.

Well I voted for Kitana because she is my favorite kharacter next to Skarlet but its pretty clear she isn't going to beat Sub-Zero but it is what it is. You make some very good points Icebaby, NRS has never really done anything with her character ever. It's a real shame because she is a great kharacter but something different needs to happen with her, like they did with Mileena's kharacter in Deception.

Well I think the conversation started because ShadowPreacher wanted to know why you considered Kitana a damsel in distress and not the other characters that have been in that same situation. So really you only gave half an answer. He was never just talking about Kitana.

Also no one needs to paint Kitana in a different light/context. The MK canon isn't that intricate. What happened happened.

Also didn't Sonya get beat against a wall and taken by Baraka in MKSM? That sounds like a kidnapping to me.

Kitana has set one impression permanently that I will never forget. BITCH OF MK2. Ever since I never ever looked her way.

Subby hands down

That's the problem, she's a good character. Kitana always tries to help out in so many ways, and that helpfulness that she has is great and all, but they need to change things around.

In Mileena's case in Deception, they FINALLY made her make good use out of the whole "I'm Kitana's clone" thing, and used it against Bo' Rai Cho and Li Mei. That's the first time they did so, and they really made her such a badass in that game. And granted, she wasn't in Deadly Alliance, but at least they made good use of her comeback with Deception.

Kitana hasn't missed a game until Deception, and she was only in there for a cameo in a few endings. I'm not including Unchained right now. Kitana has been in the series from MK2-Deadly Alliance and not once has her story became anything but a dull journey. So she helps turn two people on her side while losing them to Shinnok and Quan Chi, helping winning her realm back, then somewhat losing it again come towards Deadly Alliance.

Now, I'm not trying to say Kitana is a horrible character, no... As I stated above, she's a great character. The problem is that, along with a heck of a lot of great characters, her story just sucks. I really wouldn't have mind it if she would have stayed on Kahn's side, just for the hell of it. Her arcade ending, on the other hand... was somewhat in the right direction of "change" but it wasn't enough to make me appreciate it too much.