Don't worry, I am not ignoring the rest of what she is. She is indeed a capable warrior with strong believes, I don't think she has become an overall weak character as such, but that her latest portrayals has weakened her still compared to back then. I feel like I am repeating myself here... Let me put it like this...

Back in the MK2-MKDA days, she was 100%.
Since MKD she's lost a few percentage in almost every game.
And now she might be around 60%.

The percentage represents how I, as in me personally, as in my opinion, not fact or overall statement of how others see her as well, just how I see her character portrayal.

Can you accept that this is how I see her? Or do you wish to continue the discussion, telling me that you disagree with me and trying to prove me otherwise? Because let me tell you this now then, with all due respect, I am not changing my opinion. Not because I mean to be stubborn or just oppose what you say, but because this is how I see her, that is my perspective, my viewpoint, this is how I feel about her character progression.

She hasn't evolved the way I wanted her to evolve, so of course I am disappointed in that and I find the examples I have mentioned in the above posts to be the reasons for this change of my opinion of her.

So there you have it.

I would also like to note that I do respect your viewpoint and your opinion of her, I simply do not agree that the way she is portrayed in the later games is the same Kitana as she was portrayed in the earlier games. So maybe we should just leave it at that? Y'know, give a handshake and put the topic to rest.

Sorry, but you are troll. Simple as that. While MKSM and MKvsDC are non-canon they portray the same characters, written / overseing by the same staff that create canon games. So, how those characters were represented in there is essentially how developers see them at the moment. In essence that mean there is not much difference between canon and non-canon games portrayal of the characters.

In my opinion there is no conclusive evidence as to whether kitana is a damsel in distress. We didnt get to see the events leading up to her capture. But Im sure she wouldnt have gone without a fight.
I dont think kitana is weak whatsoever. If she comes across as too princessy Thats probably because they didnt fill in Alot of holes regarding her plot. What they did get to... At least to me was pretty basic and not well thought out. But they needed to fit in Alot of story. The only person i feel got the utmost attention was raiden.

I agree with that to an extent.

I think that Kitana is brave, and did her best to protect her friends and attempt to assist the Earthrealm warriors. The fact that she was able to muster up the courage to go down into the Flesh Pits even when she was forbidden from entering them is admirable, and the fact that she shot down and defeated her best friend and guard was also a sign of her determination to learn the truth.

The reason she got captured is something a lot of people seem to be overlooking.

When the soldiers came to take her off, we all know Kitana could have busted out the fans and killed them swiftly. She was paralyzed with shock, though, and was probably unable to do anything. What would go through your head when you find out your life has been a lie? That probably hit her hard. She's not as emotionally sound as she puts off, which is very realistic and I enjoyed that.

Jade came to save her, and instead of allowing her to undo the binds, Kitana told her friend to go find Raiden and seek assistance. She wasn't just helping herself. She was trying to help Earthrealm. I imagine she was completely aware of the fact that Earthrealm was losing terribly in the tournament at the time, and sending Jade off to get Raiden was incredibly intelligent, not to mention brave.

A lot of people aren't giving the Edenian princess enough credit, IMO. Her portrayal in this game was a bit weaker than it should have been, sure, but her personalty came off a lot more 'human' than it would have if she was simply a badass princess assassin who ran around killing people with no regret and prancing around happily, listening to her father's ill will and killing off the Earthrealmers.

Kitana's story left a few holes, and a few less obvious parts of her story required a bit of analyzing to figure out. Kitana is incredibly brave, not to mention beautiful, honorable, and as emotional as any one of us. She's a great character. It sucks to see her lose that hard to Sub-Zero, it really does.

NEVOR!

Seriously though my intention was never to change your mind or try to convince you that you're wrong or anything. I didn't mean for my posts to come across that way either.

But this is what I love about MKO, talking about my opinions of the characters and how I view them and seeing how other people view them and talk about them. I suppose it seems argumentative with the back and fourth but I live for discussing things I like even when I'm disagreeing with the person.

I like the discussion of ideas not proving if someone is better or how if one person feels about a character is correct or something.

I like to discuss and share opinions as well, or else I wouldn't be here of course, but not when someone deliberately tries to undermine me just because they disagree with me or have a dislike for me for some reason, because then it becomes obvious that person just tries to put me down.

Not that you did any of the sort, just wanted to make sure you didn't feel I was trying to do that to you either. ^^

Good post mintpuff.

Except...she didn't even lose all that bad, considering it's 60/40ish right now. Against Sub-Zero, who we all knew would win this round if not this whole thing, that's actually pretty good.

And I'm pleasantly surprised to see her outlast both Sonya and Mileena in these parts.

Thank you! :)

It was worse when I wrote that... I'd really like her to be a lot closer to Sub-Zero, but, you're right, it's not that bad. I'm really happy to see her beat out the other girls, too. Go Kitana! :)

Since the conversation is mostly about kitana what would you guys like to happen to sub zero's story or to would have happened to his story?
I for once wouldnt mind him catching a break.

Well, he's a cyborg now and under Quan Chi's control, so at first I would want him to break loose of that control along with the others. Then he should go after Sektor, take him down and take over the Lin Kuei. From then on I would like it if his so ́toryline would go along like it did in the old timeline, rerouting the path of Lin Kuei as its new Grandmaster. Just because he's a cyborg doesn't mean he can't do these things, despite what others might say.

He already beat sektor once I know that is probably the first thing to do but I want something greater I think with the storyline that he had before mk9 he could become the main character or something.

Also how did u include my message?

People will always have their favourite characters to become the main ones of the story. But I do not see Sub-Zero as a main character. He has no importance to the main plot, so I am contempt with him dealing with his own agenda.

Mintpuff that was a beautiful analysis of kitana.

Thanks so much! :)

When you hit "reply," there's a button below the emoticons that says "Add Original" Just hit that.

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I want to see him first meet Sareena in the netherrealm. Then a possible relationship spawns from there. (It may just be strictly platonic though since Sub is currently neutered.

After this I want him to completely disband the Lin Kuei, not reform them. I think that him killing Sektor once and for all would be a good direction as well whether cyborg or not. As much as I hate him as a cyborg. Subz has shown he can be a leader in the old timeline. It's time to explore the loner aspect of him a bit more.

Since everyone wants change, I don't want him doing the same things he did in the old timeline. Personally I don't like that he's so heavily involved in the main plotline this time. It's obvious he's just a pawn to Quan Chi now like the others which sucks.

The one thing I hope remains in tact from his old plotline is that he finds his ancestry and dons the Cryomancer Armor again. I loved that it's probably my favorite of all the Sub-Zero looks. Also if Frost ends up entering the picture I hope she doesn't play a very important part to Subz. She needs to venture off into her own thing, not mooch off of Sub-Zero for the entirety of her storyline. Maybe a rivalry between her and Sareena could be good though. Possibly Sareena sees through her bullsh** where Sub-Zero doesn't.

Just some ideas from a Sub-Zero fan though. Also no Bi-Han returning as Sub-Zero just to throw that out there. I just don't like him as Sub-Zero. The only way I see him coming back though is if the soulnado "splits" Noob from Sub-Zero and honestly I don't want a bad Spiderman ripoff in MK. Since they unveiled Bi-Han as Noob I have always seen it as the darkness in his soul and I think it's better left that way. We don't need two Sub-Zero's and Frost when we could have Sub-Zero, Noob Saibot, and Frost.

Those are some very interesting ideas. I can just imagine a cyborg version of the Cryomancer Armour... Could be quite cool.

Thanks. I don't know about that though, I can't imagine him trying to put cryomancer armor over his already cyber body though. If they still go the route of Cryomancer Armor maybe they could say that the cryo armor somehow freed him of his cyber shell. I don't think he could wear cyber parts and have the Cryo-armor though. It just wouldn't look right, IMO. I don't even know how that would work actually.lol.

That's why I'm often so negative of Cyber Subz most of the time just a lot of MY ideas often clash with him being cyber.

I want him to have a relationship with Sareena, but now that seems almost impossible with him being cyber.

I want him to have his cryo-armor again, but I don't know how it would work with him being cyber.

I also want the WHOLE cast to be replaced by their sons, daughters, ancestors in the future, and since Sub-Zero follows in a long line of Sub-Zero's I wanted him to have children and have them replace him in the future. As of now though that just seems unobtainable.

Enough talk of that though. I think he's got potential either way because I love Sub-Zero either way. I would just prefer if he was somehow a human again, it just has more doors to open, IMO, than he does as a cyborg. I DO NOT want to start a war with this Cyborg vs. Human thing again though. That tires the hell out of me. These are just my opinions.

Ugh, they did that in Soulcalibur V to a minor extent and I hated it.

Yeah, but is that not better than just repeating the same thing over and over again?

Some characters could stick around like maybe Scorpion, Kitana, Raiden, etc.. because they are immortal, but ultimately Kuai Liang could play the role of trainer to his sons and could choose which one becomes Sub-Zero.

Possibly have Sonya and Cage's kid show up there. Eventually we have to move on.

That's why I was so for Armageddon. I felt robbed when they said we were going back in time because when they said some were going to die I thought ya know it's time. We can move on.

We just went back and changed things though when we could have taken the opportunity to skip way into the future. It's just my opinion though. I want the future of MK, not to keep living in the past.

You did great, Princess! It's a shame you won't make it to the finals, (especially such an awesome and iconic character) but at least you did way better than my other favorite characters: Mileena, Sonya and Sindel.

I guess now my support goes to the Thunder God.

Sonya already has a kid with Kano. Her name is kira.
But for real real not for play play i would like to see a couple younger kombatants kind of in the vein of xioyu. Or however Thats spelled. I think li mei is supposed to be the youngest but her face just looks middle aged to me.

I think Kobra was supposed to be younger as well. Maybe even Frost.