I'm pretty sure that Boon or someone on the team answered that saying that the Sub-Zero we seen in Konquest was neither Kuai Liang or Bi Han but one of their ancestors.

MKD's conquest is in fact canon, and IIRC the only major problem is the amount of time that Shujinko spends in the Chaosrealm goop versus how much he ages. I've almost gotten to MKD in my chronology so I'll put it under the magnifying glass then, but yeah...you cannot simply choose to ignore an entire game (Unless it's Shaolin Monks). And I don't know anyone here who does.

alright this conversation could go on forever... could we please go back to the polling???

I can see how that would be easier for you than to accept that I am right.
But sure, go ahead.

Well, Frost WAS hibernating before she was freed from her icy prison. She hadn't died or anything, just sleeping in a cryo-stasis, so to speak.

And yes, those people who play only for gameplay and doesn't care about the story are most likely ignorant to it, as that is what the meaning of the word is - an ignorant is someone who ignores something OR who simply does not know. Feel free to make use of the link I posted to the wikipedia page explaining the meaning of the word, should you be in doubt of what it means.

For example, I don't care about shooters and therefore don't know much about them, hence I am ignorant of that genre of gaming. Simple as that.

Yeah, not to get all technical here, or jump in to the middle of something that's not at all my business, but being ignorant isn't always an insult. It just means that someone is lacking in knowledge, either in general (that's usually leveled as an insult, though it could still certainly be true) or in a specific area (not always an insult).

For whatever reason, the colloquialism "ignorant" in our society is now almost universally leveled as an insult as in "you're ignorant" which is basically implied to mean "you're stupid" or something along those lines, but that's not always the intention, nor should it be.

As J-R says, he's ignorant when it comes to shooters. That doesn't make him an ignorant person that's stupid or lacking in knowledge in general.

As far as the storyline of MK goes, there are plotholes, but simply not acknowledging the fact that there's story in the 3D games wouldn't necessarily be an ignorant act, but those people would be ignorant of the events that transpired in those games.

Yes, it's all semantics, but it's true none the less. To me, as an MK fan that DOES care about the story, I think that it would be foolish of anyone to simply not acknowledge the fact taht storyline events took place beyond MK3 or MK4, so I take the attitude that if it was made by the MK team at Midway or NRS, then its canon and it happened.

I'm pretty sure that my opinion is relatively standard for those that follow the story on this site, and I've honestly not really heard of people that only acknowledge the story in some of the main MK titles and not other main MK titles. But that's just me.

Yes, but that still leaves plenty of Konquest plotholes, like Noob's appearance in the Chaosrealm way before the first Mortal Kombat tournament (well, not the first, but MK1), when he became Noob Saibot. Or how Jde is in two places at once in Edenia, at her encampment, and yes, you can see Jade in two different places, there are plenty of things unexplainable, digital or storyline, abou MKD.

Thank you, that was my intention of saying people ignored it

There certainly are inconsistencies in MK:D but for the sake of having all important pieces of information of the topic of discussion in one place, it would be better to post the godhood things to Is Shao Kahn a god? for the most part, in which I recently also posted, instead of the voting thread.

Minor mistakes and strangeness doesn't make the whole Knoquest non-canon. Some things, like Jarek's appearance in the Netherrealm way before he was even born should be just ignored. Some of the cameos in the Konquest are just there for fun. Like Motaro, who gives you money on the Earth Realm and then disappears. Or Sektor in Edenia. Such things are unexplainable by whatever means, however, it doesn't change the fact that those strangeness practicaly doesn't have influence on the main story, and that is what counts. Ignore mistakes, but not the main storyline.

That's pretty much it; treat MKD's Konquest as the actual bare-bones main plot, speaking only to the people who advance the way through the plot. Little to no side plots, etc. Otherwise the entirety of MK pretty much becomes "Shujinko did everything for everybody". Can you imagine him actually running around to get parts for Sektor?

Alright, this all started out with a little argument between me and annilation, in which i was learning some things and having some laughs,
then more people joined in, and then the subject changed, and now this shinanigan has covered at least a total page... can we please drop this. also when i click on the link a couple of posts above the tab says mk5.org for a second or two, lol

Okay, but Noob in the Chaosrealm? That was main plot, so why ignore it? Or Shujinko becoming Lin Kuei, why did they not hunt him for automation? Even how Seidan Guard did not recognize him in Seido when he had previously defeated various guards inthe Chaosrealm. While the game is canon, much is unexplained.

My friend this is why they needed to leave Midway. They were rushed into doing it so I won't blame them. If they would've continued of the dragon king saga with Warner Bros. the story would be amazing imo.

I dislike so many of the choices that they made in MK9 with the story. They had a chance to add clarity and fix their mistakes, but the plot reminded me of Shaolin Monks.

Kabal...
he's fallen even more behind.
Maybe he'll catch up in the next few hours.

-Noob being in Chaosrealm is, though admittedly off-putting, easily explainable; Noob's not the only one of his type. Shaolin Monks shows us definitively that other members of the Brotherhood are also shadowy, wraithlike entities. You can look at Noob there as a placeholder for any Brotherhood entity.

-The Lin Kuei probably had no idea where Shujinko was by the time they started automating. I'd imagine that dealing in death as they do, it's not uncommon for members to go missing during missions. They probably thought he was long since dead.

-And as far as not recognizing him...well, he had stepped in a pool of time-altering gunk after he beat up those guardsmen and aged very visibly by the time he got to Seido.

All these unexplained things are really and truly minor and almost insignificant, really. I'm not saying Konquest is perfect, just that it's easier to place in proper canon than it may seem at first glance; there's really not too much wrong with it.

I have to vote for Raiden.

I honestly wasn't annoyed with him during story mode, and it gave a different imperfect side to his personality. I'm sure MK10 will set the stage for him to take a huge role trying to right his wrongs. Besides that...he's an icon of the series.

Kabal has never really been a favorite of mine. He was probably my least favorite character out of the original trilogy. His story in Deception was disappointing to see him change alignments again. His gameplay was pretty good though. In the last game, he was alright but I felt he was overshadowed by Stryker. Out of all the zombies, Kabal is probably the one I'm least interested in.

Yeah, those are all valid points. I guess you got me on that one. Yet the story doesn't perfectly go with MK history, it fulfills it's purpose. And plenty of awesome things came out of it. We even got to meet a character who, despite getting a single appearance and was EXTREMELY minor, made me feel wesome, the ANSCESTOR OF BOTH SUB-ZEROS! (For those of you who don't know, the MK1 style Lin Kuei warrior met on the inside of the gates in Earthrealm near the first bridge was the 100% canon anscestor of Bi-Han and Kuai Liang.) But to the main point, the storyline showed a fun, sub-canon story, that if looked at describes things perfectly. And a side note- I think all those characters we met, are meant to be just at the end of the game, but were just there already.

Fuck Konquest Mode. Don't Make Mortal Kombat A Fucking Walking Game. Unless Of Course...It's MKSM.

Kabal Was A Fuckin Cheap-Ass In MK3 And We All Know It.

Well, without Konquest Mode, we wouldn't have known most of the plot and wouldn't get most of the kharacters unlocked.
And I actually quite enjoyed the adventure, though that's just me.

I found Stryker to be more of a cheap fighter than Kabal.

This is what I wanted them to do with the MK storyline as well although it didn't remind me of Shaolin Monks. Some of the characters behavior was Shaolin Monksy though.

A few things-

What time is it by MKO's clock? EDIT: Don't answer, I see it on the comments now.

The Kratos vs. Freddy mini poll, no results, so I'll increase duration to end of Tsung v. Ermac, just say who's the better guest and I'll mark it down (this is just a little experiment by me, and does not in any way affect this poll or any other, just for my and your knowledge. I am ABSOLUTELY no moderator and should not be looked at as somebody in charge around here, just an MK fan who wanted answers from the people)