Jaded-Raven •07/03/2012 03:34 PM (UTC) •
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SCORPIONISKING Wrote:
Scorpion should be king not Shao Kahn
SCORPION IS KING AND THE BEST
GET OVER HERE!!!
Scorpion should be king not Shao Kahn
SCORPION IS KING AND THE BEST
GET OVER HERE!!!
Scorpion lost. He's king of nothing. And definately not the best.
legend_armlet •07/03/2012 03:45 PM (UTC) •
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Asesino Wrote:
Wtf with the poll ? How many years do we have to wait for the next fight
Wtf with the poll ? How many years do we have to wait for the next fight
2 days. It's so since round 3
annilation •07/03/2012 03:57 PM (UTC) •
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Stop arguing with the scorpion guy hell you sound like children. He's obviously trolling you.
Jaded-Raven •07/03/2012 04:03 PM (UTC) •
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annilation Wrote:
Stop arguing with the scorpion guy hell you sound like children. He's obviously trolling you.
Stop arguing with the scorpion guy hell you sound like children. He's obviously trolling you.
Yes mother anni.
annilation •07/03/2012 05:25 PM (UTC) •
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Yes mother anni.
annilation Wrote:
Stop arguing with the scorpion guy hell you sound like children. He's obviously trolling you.
Stop arguing with the scorpion guy hell you sound like children. He's obviously trolling you.
Yes mother anni.
I prefer daddy. Lmao
raidenthefridge •07/03/2012 05:31 PM (UTC) •
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Awww no :( these longer polls mean I will miss the final :( (I'l be partying in Magaluf)
Someone please make and extra account and vote for Jonny Cage in every round please!
Someone please make and extra account and vote for Jonny Cage in every round please!
Jaded-Raven •07/03/2012 05:49 PM (UTC) •
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annilation Wrote:
I prefer daddy. Lmao
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Yes mother anni.
annilation Wrote:
Stop arguing with the scorpion guy hell you sound like children. He's obviously trolling you.
Stop arguing with the scorpion guy hell you sound like children. He's obviously trolling you.
Yes mother anni.
I prefer daddy. Lmao
I prefer daddies too. ;P
James_Sunderland •07/03/2012 06:04 PM (UTC) •
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You don't have to love her
You don't even have to like her
But you will respect her!
You know why!?!
CUZ SHE'S A BOSS!
You don't even have to like her
But you will respect her!
You know why!?!
CUZ SHE'S A BOSS!
NoobSaibot5 Wrote:
LOL
He lost. Get over it. My favourite characters, Mileena and Reptile, have also lost. I didn't spend 4 days complaining about it though. However I did read your post and I've two things to address you on.
The first is that in 20 years, Scorpion has had a revenge motive in MK1, MK2, MK4, MKDA, MK:A, MK:SM, and MK9. That's 7 out of 11 Mortal Kombat games where Scorpion has had a vendetta plot whilst other characters like Kitana, Sonya, Kung Lao or even Sub-Zero's have consistently changed with each game.
His revenge plot shifted from Sub-Zero to Quan Chi to the Elder Gods (and in Shaolin Monks, he randomly hated Liu Kang and Kung Lao), with no ultimate conclusion, no resolve, no redemption, nothing. The only thing Hanzo Hasashi ever managed to achieve since becoming "Scorpion" was successfully murdering Bi Han. Other than that, he's accomplished nothing in the story within 20 years. Holding on to his decision in MK3 to protect Sub-Zero as a sign of character progression is completely invalid considering in the very next fucking game Quan Chi duped him into going after him again.
Second, you've said his stories were all wrapped around the Elder Gods. Ehm, no, they weren't. Only one of his stories in the series ever revolved the Elder Gods and that was in Deception. Even when he was made into the Elder Gods Champion in MK:D, he didn't even manage to stop Onaga, because Shujinko and Nightwolf got there before him.
Fact of the matter is, he is stale. It's one thing if you're prepared to defend his play style, or his appearance, or even if you were to just say "He's always held a place in my heart since the moment I played as him in MK1 and brings back good memories" and vote for him on nostalgic reasons, but it's completely futile trying to defend that character's story because his story never amounted to anything. Even characters like Jade or Noob Saibot accomplished more within 19 years than he ever did, and with arguably less game appearances.
He's your favourite character. He lost. You're pissed off. We get it. But for the love of god just move on, with the way you're behaving you're almost starting to remind me of him now at this point.
b-don Wrote:
You could say that about scorpion all you want,but his revenge was only in MK1,MK2,MK4,MKDA,and his armageddon ending.His UMK3 story was him making amends for killing the first sub by protecting the new sub-zero.He was recruited by the outworld forces,but when he realized sub was fighting for earthrealm,they banded together and killed shao kahn(non canon).His other stories were all wrap around something about the elder gods.But they could have been better done,sure.Also who would want to work with hanzo anyway? He's a good character,but he doesn't exactly have a look that says"friendly" i think that's why no one's really teamed up with him,unlike subbie.Also @ AjBlue,exactly i don't get why we're all fine with scorp losing and sub winning.That's why i went all crazy and got pissed. Hypocrites.
AJBlue Wrote:
I think the difference(s) is that Scorpion was up against Noob, who a lot of people like, while Sub-Zero was against Quan Chi who a lot of people hate and feel had no business being in this game and/or had too much of a role in the story (myself included).
Also, Sub-Zero has one of the most in-depth stories out of everyone. A story that has changed over time. There has been real character development, whether you like him or not. Him and his story are connected in some way or another to a good chunk of the cast. Very few characters in the game can claim that. People rage-hate on Scorpion because in their opinion he has been relatively stagnant (revenge motives) since the beginning.
Oh, and plus I created like 75 other profiles just to vote for Sub-Zero .
Baraka407 Wrote:
Just an aside here, but I'm a little surprised that the mob of "down with Scorpion" people all seem fine with Sub-Zero absolutely curb-stomping Quan Chi.
I heard "we need some unpredictability" and "Scorpion's the face of MK and it makes me grrrrrr" and "I'm sick of ninjas" and a bunch of other arguments that all seem to apply to Sub-Zero as well.
No judgment, I guess. But I just find it kind of strange, especially given how badly Scorpion lost and how thoroughly Sub-Zero won last round.
Just an aside here, but I'm a little surprised that the mob of "down with Scorpion" people all seem fine with Sub-Zero absolutely curb-stomping Quan Chi.
I heard "we need some unpredictability" and "Scorpion's the face of MK and it makes me grrrrrr" and "I'm sick of ninjas" and a bunch of other arguments that all seem to apply to Sub-Zero as well.
No judgment, I guess. But I just find it kind of strange, especially given how badly Scorpion lost and how thoroughly Sub-Zero won last round.
I think the difference(s) is that Scorpion was up against Noob, who a lot of people like, while Sub-Zero was against Quan Chi who a lot of people hate and feel had no business being in this game and/or had too much of a role in the story (myself included).
Also, Sub-Zero has one of the most in-depth stories out of everyone. A story that has changed over time. There has been real character development, whether you like him or not. Him and his story are connected in some way or another to a good chunk of the cast. Very few characters in the game can claim that. People rage-hate on Scorpion because in their opinion he has been relatively stagnant (revenge motives) since the beginning.
Oh, and plus I created like 75 other profiles just to vote for Sub-Zero .
You could say that about scorpion all you want,but his revenge was only in MK1,MK2,MK4,MKDA,and his armageddon ending.His UMK3 story was him making amends for killing the first sub by protecting the new sub-zero.He was recruited by the outworld forces,but when he realized sub was fighting for earthrealm,they banded together and killed shao kahn(non canon).His other stories were all wrap around something about the elder gods.But they could have been better done,sure.Also who would want to work with hanzo anyway? He's a good character,but he doesn't exactly have a look that says"friendly" i think that's why no one's really teamed up with him,unlike subbie.Also @ AjBlue,exactly i don't get why we're all fine with scorp losing and sub winning.That's why i went all crazy and got pissed. Hypocrites.
LOL
He lost. Get over it. My favourite characters, Mileena and Reptile, have also lost. I didn't spend 4 days complaining about it though. However I did read your post and I've two things to address you on.
The first is that in 20 years, Scorpion has had a revenge motive in MK1, MK2, MK4, MKDA, MK:A, MK:SM, and MK9. That's 7 out of 11 Mortal Kombat games where Scorpion has had a vendetta plot whilst other characters like Kitana, Sonya, Kung Lao or even Sub-Zero's have consistently changed with each game.
His revenge plot shifted from Sub-Zero to Quan Chi to the Elder Gods (and in Shaolin Monks, he randomly hated Liu Kang and Kung Lao), with no ultimate conclusion, no resolve, no redemption, nothing. The only thing Hanzo Hasashi ever managed to achieve since becoming "Scorpion" was successfully murdering Bi Han. Other than that, he's accomplished nothing in the story within 20 years. Holding on to his decision in MK3 to protect Sub-Zero as a sign of character progression is completely invalid considering in the very next fucking game Quan Chi duped him into going after him again.
Second, you've said his stories were all wrapped around the Elder Gods. Ehm, no, they weren't. Only one of his stories in the series ever revolved the Elder Gods and that was in Deception. Even when he was made into the Elder Gods Champion in MK:D, he didn't even manage to stop Onaga, because Shujinko and Nightwolf got there before him.
Fact of the matter is, he is stale. It's one thing if you're prepared to defend his play style, or his appearance, or even if you were to just say "He's always held a place in my heart since the moment I played as him in MK1 and brings back good memories" and vote for him on nostalgic reasons, but it's completely futile trying to defend that character's story because his story never amounted to anything. Even characters like Jade or Noob Saibot accomplished more within 19 years than he ever did, and with arguably less game appearances.
He's your favourite character. He lost. You're pissed off. We get it. But for the love of god just move on, with the way you're behaving you're almost starting to remind me of him now at this point.
Ok you're right about the nostalgia,but i still feel that he's not a terrible character.NRS really failed to make anything special about scorpion in MK9's story.My guess is they thought that everyone preferred him a villain, so they kept him as one in the story.They had a real chance at making him different than what everyone else sees him as,a revenge driven lunatic.I see him as a father a husband that is in real pain,the two people that he cares for more than anyone else are dead,and he wants"and eye for an eye" so to speak.And the about me saying the story about the elder gods,i meant for a couple of the ps2 era mks(couldn't remember which ones to be honest).But i still don't see how sub-zero or noob have stories that are great.Sub-Zero becomes grandmaster of the new Lin Kuei? Kinda boring Noob basically brings smoke back from the dead? Meh.
What i'm trying to say is their stories aren't that great either.But here's a question.Wouldn't you do the same thing in scorpion's shoes???
SubMan799 •07/03/2012 06:54 PM (UTC) •
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I think its ridiculous to dislike a character because of their storyline and character growth in a fucking fighting game
Murcielago •07/03/2012 07:44 PM (UTC) •
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Get that ass BANNED
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Scorpion having character growth? HA.
annilation •07/03/2012 08:11 PM (UTC) •
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
I prefer daddies too. ;P
annilation Wrote:
I prefer daddy. Lmao
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Yes mother anni.
annilation Wrote:
Stop arguing with the scorpion guy hell you sound like children. He's obviously trolling you.
Stop arguing with the scorpion guy hell you sound like children. He's obviously trolling you.
Yes mother anni.
I prefer daddy. Lmao
I prefer daddies too. ;P
Perfect setup
SubMan799 •07/03/2012 08:41 PM (UTC) •
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oracle Wrote:
SubMan799 Wrote:
I think its ridiculous to dislike a character because of their storyline and character growth in a fucking fighting game
I mean, can you prefer an unplayable boss in a fighting game? Stop.I think its ridiculous to dislike a character because of their storyline and character growth in a fucking fighting game
Yes you can
SubMan799 Wrote:
Yes you can
oracle Wrote:
SubMan799 Wrote:
I think its ridiculous to dislike a character because of their storyline and character growth in a fucking fighting game
I mean, can you prefer an unplayable boss in a fighting game? Stop.I think its ridiculous to dislike a character because of their storyline and character growth in a fucking fighting game
Yes you can
how is that any better?
SubMan799 Wrote:
I think its ridiculous to dislike a character because of their storyline and character growth in a fucking fighting game
I think its ridiculous to dislike a character because of their storyline and character growth in a fucking fighting game
I don't think that's ridiculous. There are many aspects to each character outside of their individual play style. In a fighting game, their appearance is as superfluous as their storyline, but it is still a factor for many in how they judge the character. I even think it's valid to have your opinion changed on a character by how they are utilized in the marketing of the game. The only thing I think is ridiculous is to have a one dimensional view on how everyone in the world should think.
SubMan799 •07/03/2012 10:20 PM (UTC) •
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skyboy Wrote:
how is that any better?
SubMan799 Wrote:
Yes you can
oracle Wrote:
SubMan799 Wrote:
I think its ridiculous to dislike a character because of their storyline and character growth in a fucking fighting game
I mean, can you prefer an unplayable boss in a fighting game? Stop.I think its ridiculous to dislike a character because of their storyline and character growth in a fucking fighting game
Yes you can
how is that any better?
I enjoy fighting Shao Kahn and I like his mannerisms in game more than I like playing as Kitana.
Character growth and story developments shouldn't be the deciding factor in how much you like a character. If that was the case, everyone would prefer Darrius and Taven over Johnny Cage and Sonya.
SubMan799 Wrote: [...]
A moderator utilizes their authority to affect in the outcome of a tournament in an offensive manner, held by the staff itself. It's not out of this world for other sites to deny the staff from trying to affect to the results, seeing the authority, but I don't think we'd need to be that radical for this little tournee.
Whereas I'm humbled, I really am, that so many users have taken my HTML advice into utilition, I find it rather rude that you've hotlinked a scene from the first USA–Finland ice hockey world championship 2012 match in a Smash Bros. banner that has absolutely nothing to do with ice hockey.
What comes to the match: Finland had just had its harsh Canada game, being tired, and hadn't gotten any time to practise whereas USA had time to practise and rest. Moreover, the team USA practically consisted of NHL professionals whereas the team Finland had mere two of them. And ultimately it was Finland who dropped USA out of the competition. (Their players were good but USA's head coach is still trying to settle in IMO.)
So I'm not sure why you've hidden a scene like that in there; considering that I'm the only active Finn in here, I wonder if that's something personal. I only wonder why you didn't instead shout it out in the actual thread for that.
What comes to disliking a character, I do agree to the point that genuinely hating a character might not be necessarily good for anybody and not very realistic either because the characters haven't really done anything bad for you. Of course I can see if some people just love to hate on some of the characters just because it's fun but ultimately I don't think that's hate.
You should really not take a competition that dead seriously and secondly you shouldn't utilize your authority in a wrong way, to insult people with "Vote this or you're irrational" kind of messages – but posting "I voted for that guy" at maximum. This tournament is supposed to be a little fun for the community as far as I'm concerned, that's all. Not some insult fest.
Sub-Zero is half Europid (came from USA) indeed but I don't see why that should affect in people's decisions. About 9/10 of the MKOmmunists are American so if everyone followed your premise, Sub-Zero would easily win. But people don't do that. Smoke, on the other hand, is also Europid (came from Europe) but I would not suggest people to vote for Smoke because of that; it falls down to the bottom of the reasons why I prefer Smoke, as I had liked Smoke before they revealed his origins as well.
The bottom line is: you really shouldn't take this competition to the point where you start to insult users and to advantage your authority in a level that's crooked. It leaves a bad taste of you and this competition. Thanks!
SubMan799 •07/03/2012 10:44 PM (UTC) •
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1. Its actually from a Coyotes/Kings game. I've had the images in my sig linked to random GIFs for a while now, before you started coding all of your posts
2. Are you seriously suggesting that I'm fixing the polls? Or that any moderator or staff member is rigging it?
2. Are you seriously suggesting that I'm fixing the polls? Or that any moderator or staff member is rigging it?
SubMan799 Wrote:
1. Its actually from a Coyotes/Kings game. I've had the images in my sig linked to random GIFs for a while now, before you started coding all of your posts
2. Are you seriously suggesting that I'm fixing the polls? Or that any moderator or staff member is rigging it?
1. Its actually from a Coyotes/Kings game. I've had the images in my sig linked to random GIFs for a while now, before you started coding all of your posts
2. Are you seriously suggesting that I'm fixing the polls? Or that any moderator or staff member is rigging it?
1. Google suggested else when I checked it but you're right about that.
2. Not necessarily rigging, I don't think it's rigged (mods are users too) but I think that the moderators' words are stronger if you get what I mean thus they could influence a lot in the outcomes at will which would be a little questionable. Mainly I was just pointing out that one shouldn't insult people's honest reasons for why they vote (otherwise questioning is okay IMO). I mean, there provenly are e.g. story people in this site, cardinal.
NoobSaibot5 •07/03/2012 11:38 PM (UTC) •
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If Stories are useless arguements in favour for or against a character, then why do you think MK even bothers to include a story at all? Why not just do what Street Fighter does and cut straight to the battles?
MK's lore and the lives of it's characters are just as important, if not more so, than the blood, guts and violence that made it memorable. Obviously even the team know that if they were prepared to invest so much time and effort into the Story Mode in MK9.
MK's lore and the lives of it's characters are just as important, if not more so, than the blood, guts and violence that made it memorable. Obviously even the team know that if they were prepared to invest so much time and effort into the Story Mode in MK9.
[Killswitch] •07/04/2012 12:17 AM (UTC) •
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Shao Kahn did nothing wrong
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vot fr shoe kan or ill band u
SubMan799 Wrote:
Character growth and story developments shouldn't be the deciding factor in how much you like a character. If that was the case, everyone would prefer Darrius and Taven over Johnny Cage and Sonya.
Character growth and story developments shouldn't be the deciding factor in how much you like a character. If that was the case, everyone would prefer Darrius and Taven over Johnny Cage and Sonya.
Complete bullshit.
1. People have right to decide for themselves what they like about characters.
2. Special attention to the storyline and violence is what make MK different from all other fighting games.
Did you see how much people on this forum ready to talk about story, characters development and personalitites? Did you see anything like that at, say Street Fighter or Tekken forums, where most of the talk about gameplay and not about story? This is a prime example that people care about MK story and for many of them, including myself, it is the main attraction of the series. So, many fans decide why they like certain characters precisely because of the story.
And one mnore thing:
Darrius is a nobody. He barely had any relevance to the MKD plot and his personality wasn't very fleshed out. Taven was good character, but nothing special. Beside he was forced to be the main character of the series, without any development. So it's natural that people disliked him.
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