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06/10/2010 02:25 AM (UTC)
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Is it even CONFIRMED that MK9 will be at E3? Sorry, I've been out of the loop.
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06/10/2010 02:26 AM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
Garlador Wrote:
Or how connected Grand Theft Auto III is to Grand Theft Auto 1? Or even how the genres of Street Fighter 1 and Street Fighter 2 are similar?

Ohhhhhh, okay. You're joking!
Haha! Sorry, I didn't get it at first. Nice!


Yes, the sarcasm is not appreciated.
I bet a dark, gritty realistic MK would STILL be a violent fighting game, JUST like FFIV and FFXII are still both RPGS and Super Metroid and Metroid Prime are still adventure games.

Look, this may be your hobby, but this is my livelihood, and I've spent the past four years studying every last game series on the planet to understand the game industry, it's evolution, its rises and falls, and how every damn game influences each other and builds.

Of course Grand Theft Auto III is an evolution of GTA1. Of course Street Fighter 2 has connections to SF1. Don't play me for an idiot.

But I use those as examples to ask how a reinterpretation, which is exactly what I stated, is that dissimilar from what these professionals did with the short film?

Comic books reinvent all the time. Nobody would argue that Captain America is remotely the same person between the "normal" version and the one in the "Ultimate" comics. The movie version of Whiplash in Iron Man has almost nothing in common with the comic version. Batman's movie villains were almost entire redone, with Ra's Al Ghul's immortality entirely altered and his daughter not even mentioned and Joker no longer a guy dropped in acid and deformed but rather a sadist anarchist in pancake make-up.

I fail to see how people can be open to a total reinvention of certain characters and franchises, but not others. It just strikes me as extremely narrow minded.

But please understand... I'm open to change.... but I'm also open to a game still established in the continuity I've loved for almost two decades. I'm open to BOTH, and I see the appeal of BOTH.

But change, inherently, is resisted.

Not to use a lame Batman quote, but a dark, gritty MK game may not be what we deserve, but the MK game we need.
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06/10/2010 02:27 AM (UTC)
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So this was a trailer for a MK movie reboot, and not for a game reboot right?

I'm surprised by all the people who like this. It seems like really bad fanfiction to me.
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06/10/2010 02:27 AM (UTC)
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Granted, the entire threat is a testament to having no sense of subtext, but I would think it's fundamentally obvious that there's a big difference to these slight surface changes in a series, and a complete reinvention. None of them change the fundamental structure or nature of the games. They all remains consistent with each other, and in some cases, demonstrate direct linear progression from game to game.

They do not discared and attempt to reinvent the wheel.
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06/10/2010 02:29 AM (UTC)
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another decent example is Halo: Reach. That game is different than the Halo norm in an attempt to win over COD and Battlefield fans, but ultimately still keep it Halo at the core. The game plays awesome and has sparked a lot of interest from all the fans that gave up after Halo 2.

Fable 3 is also going to be different than Fable 1 and 2, because Fable 2 wasn't as well received by a lot of the fans. Thus they are gonna go for a more action game approach rather than RPG.

Just another couple examples to see what you think.
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06/10/2010 02:30 AM (UTC)
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Again, all conceptually consistent with the rest of the franchise.
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06/10/2010 02:30 AM (UTC)
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SubMan799 Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:
~Crow~ Wrote:
I'm going to pray that's a joke.


If you're referring to me, quite honestly it is a joke, like this thread. With the amount of maturity that's going on in it, I'm disappointed with how horrible everyone is acting over a fucking video clip of a game.


It's not the video that's bothering me. In fact, it looks like it would be a pretty cool movie adaption.

What bothers me is how the MK fans responded to this. Mortal Kombat vs. DCU, a fantastic game that combined great gameplay with a great crossover. Probably the best Mortal Kombat since the MK3 era. What do fans do when they hear about this? Sell their collections on ebay and go play Call of Duty, cuz dats wat mature peeps do.

Now this clip comes out. It throws out all the mysticism of Mortal Kombat and tosses it out the window. Reptile has skin disease and Baraka is a doctor.

.....k

The fan reaction to this? To doctor Baraka? Something more ridiculous than Raiden fighting Wonder Woman in Hell? The reaction is, "its so mature and realistic! What a beautiful take on the MK franchise!"

da fuck?

Now I realize what the majority of the MK fanbase is. Blood obsessed pre teens who go nuts over dark and gritty crap. What I always thought was that the majority of MK fans loved MK for it's characters and it's themes. I thought fans liked using undead hell spawns bent on revenge to fight four armed dragon humans to decide the fate of the world.

Guess I was way off

Also, for the people who think the haters are hating because they are afraid of change, shut the fuck up. This has nothing to do with the fear of change. This has to do with the fear of changing a franchise to the point that the only thing it shares with the source material are names.


I couldn't write it better myself. Blood obsessed pre teens who go nuts over dark and gritty crap. That's what the so called new "fans" are. They don't give a f*ck about the storyline, about the characters, about all the mysticism which made MK what it is. They are lazy when it comes about the details. Only thing they care about is blood and gore..........
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06/10/2010 02:35 AM (UTC)
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[SUB-ZERO Wrote:
SubMan799 Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:
~Crow~ Wrote:
I'm going to pray that's a joke.


If you're referring to me, quite honestly it is a joke, like this thread. With the amount of maturity that's going on in it, I'm disappointed with how horrible everyone is acting over a fucking video clip of a game.


It's not the video that's bothering me. In fact, it looks like it would be a pretty cool movie adaption.

What bothers me is how the MK fans responded to this. Mortal Kombat vs. DCU, a fantastic game that combined great gameplay with a great crossover. Probably the best Mortal Kombat since the MK3 era. What do fans do when they hear about this? Sell their collections on ebay and go play Call of Duty, cuz dats wat mature peeps do.

Now this clip comes out. It throws out all the mysticism of Mortal Kombat and tosses it out the window. Reptile has skin disease and Baraka is a doctor.

.....k

The fan reaction to this? To doctor Baraka? Something more ridiculous than Raiden fighting Wonder Woman in Hell? The reaction is, "its so mature and realistic! What a beautiful take on the MK franchise!"

da fuck?

Now I realize what the majority of the MK fanbase is. Blood obsessed pre teens who go nuts over dark and gritty crap. What I always thought was that the majority of MK fans loved MK for it's characters and it's themes. I thought fans liked using undead hell spawns bent on revenge to fight four armed dragon humans to decide the fate of the world.

Guess I was way off

Also, for the people who think the haters are hating because they are afraid of change, shut the fuck up. This has nothing to do with the fear of change. This has to do with the fear of changing a franchise to the point that the only thing it shares with the source material are names.


I couldn't write it better myself. Blood obsessed pre teens who go nuts over dark and gritty crap. That's what the so called new "fans" are. They don't give a f*ck about the storyline, about the characters, about all the mysticism which made MK what it is. They are lazy when it comes about the details. Only thing they care about is blood and gore..........


Stop generalizing and putting everyone who don't agree with you in the same boat.
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06/10/2010 02:35 AM (UTC)
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[SUB-ZERO Wrote:
SubMan799 Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:
~Crow~ Wrote:
I'm going to pray that's a joke.


If you're referring to me, quite honestly it is a joke, like this thread. With the amount of maturity that's going on in it, I'm disappointed with how horrible everyone is acting over a fucking video clip of a game.


It's not the video that's bothering me. In fact, it looks like it would be a pretty cool movie adaption.

What bothers me is how the MK fans responded to this. Mortal Kombat vs. DCU, a fantastic game that combined great gameplay with a great crossover. Probably the best Mortal Kombat since the MK3 era. What do fans do when they hear about this? Sell their collections on ebay and go play Call of Duty, cuz dats wat mature peeps do.

Now this clip comes out. It throws out all the mysticism of Mortal Kombat and tosses it out the window. Reptile has skin disease and Baraka is a doctor.

.....k

The fan reaction to this? To doctor Baraka? Something more ridiculous than Raiden fighting Wonder Woman in Hell? The reaction is, "its so mature and realistic! What a beautiful take on the MK franchise!"

da fuck?

Now I realize what the majority of the MK fanbase is. Blood obsessed pre teens who go nuts over dark and gritty crap. What I always thought was that the majority of MK fans loved MK for it's characters and it's themes. I thought fans liked using undead hell spawns bent on revenge to fight four armed dragon humans to decide the fate of the world.

Guess I was way off

Also, for the people who think the haters are hating because they are afraid of change, shut the fuck up. This has nothing to do with the fear of change. This has to do with the fear of changing a franchise to the point that the only thing it shares with the source material are names.


I couldn't write it better myself. Blood obsessed pre teens who go nuts over dark and gritty crap. That's what the so called new "fans" are. They don't give a f*ck about the storyline, about the characters, about all the mysticism which made MK what it is. They are lazy when it comes about the details. Only thing they care about is blood and gore..........


Really? I see a lot of members on this site who are more interested in the storyline than the blood and guts. There's a reason why I made that thread about "Who should stay and who should go" I focus more on a character's story than anything else about them. Why? Because story is where gets things.

Unfortunately, people worry about game play more than story now. Why? New generation of games.
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06/10/2010 02:43 AM (UTC)
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icebaby, for someone who is genuinely interested in the story, how can you like something like this? I understand liking the idea of reinventing a series, but reinventing usually means retaining things that make a franchise what it is. This clip just retains the blood, gore and names of the franchise and nothing else.

ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
[SUB-ZERO Wrote:
SubMan799 Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:
~Crow~ Wrote:
I'm going to pray that's a joke.


If you're referring to me, quite honestly it is a joke, like this thread. With the amount of maturity that's going on in it, I'm disappointed with how horrible everyone is acting over a fucking video clip of a game.


It's not the video that's bothering me. In fact, it looks like it would be a pretty cool movie adaption.

What bothers me is how the MK fans responded to this. Mortal Kombat vs. DCU, a fantastic game that combined great gameplay with a great crossover. Probably the best Mortal Kombat since the MK3 era. What do fans do when they hear about this? Sell their collections on ebay and go play Call of Duty, cuz dats wat mature peeps do.

Now this clip comes out. It throws out all the mysticism of Mortal Kombat and tosses it out the window. Reptile has skin disease and Baraka is a doctor.

.....k

The fan reaction to this? To doctor Baraka? Something more ridiculous than Raiden fighting Wonder Woman in Hell? The reaction is, "its so mature and realistic! What a beautiful take on the MK franchise!"

da fuck?

Now I realize what the majority of the MK fanbase is. Blood obsessed pre teens who go nuts over dark and gritty crap. What I always thought was that the majority of MK fans loved MK for it's characters and it's themes. I thought fans liked using undead hell spawns bent on revenge to fight four armed dragon humans to decide the fate of the world.

Guess I was way off

Also, for the people who think the haters are hating because they are afraid of change, shut the fuck up. This has nothing to do with the fear of change. This has to do with the fear of changing a franchise to the point that the only thing it shares with the source material are names.


I couldn't write it better myself. Blood obsessed pre teens who go nuts over dark and gritty crap. That's what the so called new "fans" are. They don't give a f*ck about the storyline, about the characters, about all the mysticism which made MK what it is. They are lazy when it comes about the details. Only thing they care about is blood and gore..........


Stop generalizing and putting everyone who don't agree with you in the same boat.


If I recall correctly, you hated MK vs. DCU simply because the Joker's fatality was "censored."
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06/10/2010 02:45 AM (UTC)
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icebaby, for someone who is genuinely interested in the story, how can you like something like this? I understand liking the idea of reinventing a series, but reinventing usually means retaining things that make a franchise what it is. This clip just retains the blood, gore and names of the franchise and nothing else.

ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
[SUB-ZERO Wrote:
SubMan799 Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:
~Crow~ Wrote:
I'm going to pray that's a joke.


If you're referring to me, quite honestly it is a joke, like this thread. With the amount of maturity that's going on in it, I'm disappointed with how horrible everyone is acting over a fucking video clip of a game.


It's not the video that's bothering me. In fact, it looks like it would be a pretty cool movie adaption.

What bothers me is how the MK fans responded to this. Mortal Kombat vs. DCU, a fantastic game that combined great gameplay with a great crossover. Probably the best Mortal Kombat since the MK3 era. What do fans do when they hear about this? Sell their collections on ebay and go play Call of Duty, cuz dats wat mature peeps do.

Now this clip comes out. It throws out all the mysticism of Mortal Kombat and tosses it out the window. Reptile has skin disease and Baraka is a doctor.

.....k

The fan reaction to this? To doctor Baraka? Something more ridiculous than Raiden fighting Wonder Woman in Hell? The reaction is, "its so mature and realistic! What a beautiful take on the MK franchise!"

da fuck?

Now I realize what the majority of the MK fanbase is. Blood obsessed pre teens who go nuts over dark and gritty crap. What I always thought was that the majority of MK fans loved MK for it's characters and it's themes. I thought fans liked using undead hell spawns bent on revenge to fight four armed dragon humans to decide the fate of the world.

Guess I was way off

Also, for the people who think the haters are hating because they are afraid of change, shut the fuck up. This has nothing to do with the fear of change. This has to do with the fear of changing a franchise to the point that the only thing it shares with the source material are names.


I couldn't write it better myself. Blood obsessed pre teens who go nuts over dark and gritty crap. That's what the so called new "fans" are. They don't give a f*ck about the storyline, about the characters, about all the mysticism which made MK what it is. They are lazy when it comes about the details. Only thing they care about is blood and gore..........


Stop generalizing and putting everyone who don't agree with you in the same boat.


If I recall correctly, you hated MK vs. DCU simply because the Joker's fatality was "censored."


If I recall, I loved MKVSDC and think it's one of the best in the series. Don't know where you got that lie from.

Once again, stop generalizing.
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06/10/2010 02:45 AM (UTC)
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SubMan799 Wrote:
icebaby, for someone who is genuinely interested in the story, how can you like something like this? I understand liking the idea of reinventing a series, but reinventing usually means retaining things that make a franchise what it is. This clip just retains the blood, gore and names of the franchise and nothing else.


I adore the MK storyline and I follow it religiously. I still know every MK:Armageddon character that had a bio and everyone I wish had received one.

... but even I am open to the idea of something entirely new.

I remember when MK was rumored to start all over from scratch with only Scorpion and Sub-Zero returning, and I was okay with that too. It's all in the execution.
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06/10/2010 02:45 AM (UTC)
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The effects and all in that movie is fine. But what the person that made that needs to realize is that this is fantasy, this isn't supposed to be all real. Yeah it's supposed to be realistic, but with fantasy elements.

But here is what I wanna see.

Characters
Johnny Cage
Kano
Raiden
Liu Kang
Scorpion
Sub Zero
Sonya
Reptile
Goro
Shang Tsung

I would love to see character developement, and actually see characters have a back story and not be there to beat people up for no reason. Having Scorpion fight Sub Zero would be nice. It doesn't need to follow the first game exactly, but atleast follow it with some differences. I would love for Liu Kang to be the main hero, and Raiden be the badass mentor. Having Sonya wanting to kill Kano and Scorpion wanting to kill Sub Zero.

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06/10/2010 02:49 AM (UTC)
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SubMan799 Wrote:
icebaby, for someone who is genuinely interested in the story, how can you like something like this? I understand liking the idea of reinventing a series, but reinventing usually means retaining things that make a franchise what it is. This clip just retains the blood, gore and names of the franchise and nothing else.


I saw something that showed me two cops talking about evil people in the world murdering innocents being called to some underground tournament... With Scorpion being as a character to hunt down others, this is what I saw. I could care less with the blood and guts featured in a movie.

Which is what I like about Saw. I could give a fuck about the amounts of blood that was thrown everywhere in the scenes, all I cared for was the story and what the characters were like.

This is what I saw when I watched that clip, anyone who has a hard time in understanding how I watch things should just not respond to this because I'm in a very impatient mood because I'm rooting for my Hawks to win the goddamn game.
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06/10/2010 02:52 AM (UTC)
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The effects and all in that movie is fine. But what the person that made that needs to realize is that this is fantasy, this isn't supposed to be all real. Yeah it's supposed to be realistic, but with fantasy elements.

But here is what I wanna see.

Characters
Johnny Cage
Kano
Raiden
Liu Kang
Scorpion
Sub Zero
Sonya
Reptile
Goro
Shang Tsung

I would love to see character developement, and actually see characters have a back story and not be there to beat people up for no reason. Having Scorpion fight Sub Zero would be nice. It doesn't need to follow the first game exactly, but atleast follow it with some differences. I would love for Liu Kang to be the main hero, and Raiden be the badass mentor. Having Sonya wanting to kill Kano and Scorpion wanting to kill Sub Zero.



It does still have fantasy elements. It's obvious Scorpion is still a specter and Tsung is most likely still a sorcerer.
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06/10/2010 02:58 AM (UTC)
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Is it even CONFIRMED that MK9 will be at E3? Sorry, I've been out of the loop.


Yes it will be there and very much so playable
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06/10/2010 02:59 AM (UTC)
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It does still have fantasy elements. It's obvious Scorpion is still a specter and Tsung is most likely still a sorcerer.


No it does not. There's no proof of any such thing in the 8 minute video. Just because Hanzo's eyes were white does not mean he's undead.
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06/10/2010 02:59 AM (UTC)
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To Ahnka: lol, lol again, and hey guess what? More lol

Now Icebaby, I respect you and usually agree with your opinions. I can understand how you like the idea now. But you can see where I am coming from. This to me is not MK. This to me is something that does not even come close to what MK is.

To Garlador, who I also respect a great deal. The rumor you have described sounds more like a reboot than this. Again, this clip is not what MK is about. If the new game comes out and just retains Sub and Scorp, cool. As long as the theme is still there it's still MK. But if the reboot is like this clip then sign me out
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06/10/2010 03:02 AM (UTC)
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This is not a trailer but a 'test real' like thingy to sell the story to WB. Hopefully, the real movie will be closer to canon, not exactly but at least don't have a local police force in place of the US military or the OIA. Briggs and Blade are military...not police. They don't hire killers. If they want someone dead, they'll do it themselves.
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06/10/2010 03:03 AM (UTC)
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ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
It does still have fantasy elements. It's obvious Scorpion is still a specter and Tsung is most likely still a sorcerer.


No it does not. There's no proof of any such thing in the 8 minute video. Just because Hanzo's eyes were white does not mean he's undead.


Yes, him having white eyes totally doesn't mean anything. Neither does the fact that he was able to magically remove the cuffs. None of this means supernatural at all.

I'm rolling my eyes incase you don't know.
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06/10/2010 03:03 AM (UTC)
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Yes, I can see that. There are people who don't see this as Mortal Kombat, I don't have an issue with that at all. If that's what you think, that's what you think and I'm not going to sit here and start making a big issue how this is.

Yeah, I think I may have thrown my two cents on how it is somewhere in this thread and I don't feel like searching through it to see what I wrote, but if you don't think this is Mortal Kombat, Subman, then that's what you think and I'm not here to judge it.
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06/10/2010 03:04 AM (UTC)
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ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
Is it even CONFIRMED that MK9 will be at E3? Sorry, I've been out of the loop.


Yes it will be there and very much so playable


Ah! Thanks!
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06/10/2010 03:09 AM (UTC)
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SubMan799, what does that prove?

What does it have to do with me loving the game now?

You can bet I was angry with the T rating since this was the first ever T rated MK game, but I gave it a chance and I love it.

Maybe you should dig up my other old posts and you'll see 90% of them are about characters & stories.

Me liking this "pitch" has nothing to do with blood or gore because it was confirmed from day one that MK9 would have that any way. I like the movie pitch because it's different and new. Lock me up, what a crime.
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06/10/2010 03:10 AM (UTC)
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ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
It does still have fantasy elements. It's obvious Scorpion is still a specter and Tsung is most likely still a sorcerer.


No it does not. There's no proof of any such thing in the 8 minute video. Just because Hanzo's eyes were white does not mean he's undead.


Yes, him having white eyes totally doesn't mean anything. Neither does the fact that he was able to magically remove the cuffs. None of this means supernatural at all.

I'm rolling my eyes incase you don't know.


They'd probably go into some exposition that explains his appearance.

"Hanzo Hasashi. He got his eyes tattooed in prison. Can't see his pupils. Gives him a psychological edge while in battle - his opponents can't tell what he's focusing on."
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06/10/2010 03:10 AM (UTC)
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The only game that I can think of that wildly reinvented itself from the ground up like this is Mega Man Legends. Sure, there's some consistency in that the main character is blue and shoots stuff but the characters, though sharing names of well known Mega Man characters, are wildly new interpretations. Rock and Roll are not siblings. Roll is human. Wily is a good guy and sells you a boat.

Yes, Capcom did throw in some connections here and there showing that the Legends games happen thousands of years after the original series but outside of those superficial connections, it's a complete reinvention of the Mega Man property.

Mega Man Legends has its fair share of fans. But, as anybody can see, it has limited appeal when compared to the established core Mega Man franchise. And while people might want a new Mega Man Legends game, nobody is clamoring for Mega Man Legends to be the NEW face of Mega Man. They want it separate and apart from the "real" Mega Man and for good reason.
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