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06/10/2010 12:39 AM (UTC)
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KenshiMaster16 Wrote:
Easy. After the disaster of a clusterfuck that was the story of Armageddon, we got the DC crossover. I can see why a lot of people liked it, but I wasn't one of them, but I still bought it and I still play it. But for my taste, a bunch of vicious killers that perform fatalities on eachother and live in a universe full of different realms and Elder Gods and such united with Superheroes and Supervillains, a good handful of which wear their underwear outside their clothes just doesn't leave a nice taste in my mouth.




That looks like underwear on the outside to me.

And since when is every MK character a vicious killer? The heroes of the story, despite having fatalities as the game's design requires, are written from a plot perspective as traditional superhero personality archetypes. Like, say, Batman, the younger Sub-Zero is extremely merciful. Right down to forgiving Frost's betrayal. And, you know, dresses in theatrical costumes and fights evil. Fact is, MK and DC are not as different as you think they are. John Tobias flat out stated superhero comics were a heavy inspiration.


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However, "Rebirth," while outrageous, extreme and to some people sacrilegious, is a fresh and interesting look into the story and characters of Mortal Kombat from an outside source that isn't in any way, shape or form involved with the Ed Boon or the MK team as a whole.

Again, I get it. I see why so many people dislike it, and I can see why many people do like it. What I don't get is why two drastically different versions of MK can't co-exist?


They can co-exist just fine. But people defending MK Rebirth on the grounds that it's a welcome change were often the same people decrying MK vs. DCU as a bastardization despite MK vs. DCU pretty much being MK proper. So if MK vs. DCU is an abomination because it changed things...then clearly MK Rebirth is as well since it...you know...changed everything.
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06/10/2010 12:40 AM (UTC)
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Btw, that is the best Shang Tsung outfit, ever, Tony. And for those who think it is too colorful, do a little research on Chinese culture and martial arts. Nothing wrong with that outfit at all. Maybe it's not totally authentic but it still looks great. Maybe I'm just a 90's kid at heart.
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06/10/2010 12:41 AM (UTC)
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You guys gotta stop calling this a saw ripoff. Thats just rediculous. What does it have in common with saw? Violence? lol

Mk vs. Dc was fun to play, but kinda silly, but then again I thought mk was silly since Mk4. I still bought them all, but had to do so in spite of the campyness. I always thought there was massive potiential for the franchise, and I feel like this little nugget of an idea is a great step in that direction.

I was buying Goro and SubZero action figures when I was 11 or 12 and am 22 now, so it's fair to say I'm a long time fan. Im not against people disliking the video, it just shouldnt be because its not the same old mk. Times change, sometimes for the better.
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06/10/2010 12:44 AM (UTC)
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KenshiMaster16 Wrote:
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MortalKombatFan2010 Wrote:
Pink_Ranger: It's alright to hate it, but all I ask is for people to just understand that some people do like it.


The part that I'm having trouble with is the reason they say they like it.

Because the reason they say they like it: "A welcome change," "Needed to do something different," "It's not THAT outrageous," etc. are reasons that were utterly shot down by the same group back during MK vs. DCU.

MK vs. DCU:
A crossover with DC comics. The MK cast and mythos remained pretty much unchanged outside of downplaying some of the violence of the finishing moves despite classics such as "Scorpion breathe fire on you!" remaining intact.

Mortal Kombat Rebirth:
A reimagining of the franchise with wildly rewritten origins and character personalities as well as a perhaps complete removal of all supernatural elements.

MK vs. DCU: "NOT ACCEPTABLE! An unwelcome change! Totally outrageous! Boon's a sellout!"

Mortal Kombat Rebirth: "Amazing! Should be the future of MK! Hopefully this is a permanent change!"

Am I stuttering? This makes no sense!


Easy. After the disaster of a clusterfuck that was the story of Armageddon, we got the DC crossover. I can see why a lot of people liked it, but I wasn't one of them, but I still bought it and I still play it. But for my taste, a bunch of vicious killers that perform fatalities on eachother and live in a universe full of different realms and Elder Gods and such united with Superheroes and Supervillains, a good handful of which wear their underwear outside their clothes just doesn't leave a nice taste in my mouth.

However, "Rebirth," while outrageous, extreme and to some people sacrilegious, is a fresh and interesting look into the story and characters of Mortal Kombat from an outside source that isn't in any way, shape or form involved with the Ed Boon or the MK team as a whole.

Again, I get it. I see why so many people dislike it, and I can see why many people do like it. What I don't get is why two drastically different versions of MK can't co-exist?


They can't exist simply because MK is MK and I'm tired of those young new fans who are requestng something else. If you want something else go and play Resident Evil or DMC, GoW, Tekken, Street Fighter! But this is MK with a freakin outworld, ninjas, magic, netherealm, Shao Kahn etc.......... They are the MK! You can't make those elements disapear and still calling this an MK. Why didn't capcom never change it's route with SF? Why didn't namco never change it's route with Tekken? SiImply because it wouldn't be that anymore.
In MK game or movie you can make a different aproach like this but in that case DON'T CALL IT MK ANYMORE!


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06/10/2010 12:44 AM (UTC)
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I think the problem with this clip and the similarity to Saw, is that they're obviously trying to make MK "shocking" again. Because that's all MK ever had going for it. Being shocking. Yeah.
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06/10/2010 12:45 AM (UTC)
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True, TrueNoob. lol
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06/10/2010 12:46 AM (UTC)
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I played MK1 in the arcades for hours on end.. please don't just think because someone has a difference of opinion to you they are a noobie

Ed Boon has said MK will change with MK9.. it will get darker and grittier...

MK needs a new market to be great again
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06/10/2010 12:46 AM (UTC)
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blackcyborg Wrote:
Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
MortalKombatFan2010 Wrote:
Pink_Ranger: It's alright to hate it, but all I ask is for people to just understand that some people do like it.

Nobody's saying MK fans can't be unwashed, under exposed morons.
They've been doing fine (on the other side of this argument) for the last decade and a half! That doesn't mean we can't all call a spade a spade and be friends.


I'm cool with people not liking this video, but Mick just takes it to a whole 'nother level by acting as if people who like it aren't MK fans, and even goes as far as to act like they are retarded and their opinion is that of shit. Mean while, if I went on a rant and acted as if anybody who doesn't like it is retarded and claimed they weren't real fans etc., I'd have multiple people bashing me including Crow himself and likely get a little timeout. It's just ludicrous. Those who like it are simply trying to get those who do not like it to maybe give it a shot, and those who don't like it are in turn just acting as if liking a simple video makes your opinion worth nothing.

And as far as the MK vs DC thing goes, who claimed the people that like this video were the ones complaining about the MK vs DC game? I can't speak for anyone else as I didn't take down who was on what side, but I know I was one of the supporters of the game, and enjoyed the game as a 1 off. Also, you bring this up as a point, yet you said it yourself Crow, you wouldn't mind if the movie changed things up, but the game you want to stay the same. So to say that if you complained about the last MK game, why are you ok with this? They are two seperate forms of media and thus people prob. have different desires for their direction.


Because he is right! They are actually not real MK fans at all.
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06/10/2010 12:46 AM (UTC)
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im not to big on the whole plice precinct. Id like sonya/jax to at least belong to an above average-cop level. doesnt leave much for either of them.

and id still like to to take place on an island or antoehr location than some underground fighting ring. seems too small-scale for such freaks, psychos and assassins to even be interested in or attracted to.

thats something else i diddnt get. Why would reptile or baraka WANT to go to a known tournament and fight? reptile kills and easts, likely a subject of preference or choice, wouldnt really apply to a tournament involving one on one fighting.

Baraka can fight as we seen, but i dont get how. his first ambition with the blades in his arms shouda been to go for the kill. I understand its to pay tribute to what MK is, a fighting arena. But it makes sense with martial artists, i feel every character would need more backstory as to why they are gonna go 1v1 infront of a crowd.

Cage in MK1 went for image, sonya for kano, and kang for tsung. 2 of them were vandettas. I would liek to see more than jsut that implimented, really giving depth to the characters and their backstories.

Reptile to me, shouldnt even fight, he would be the type to jump somebody in the dark and mutilate them in some form, not strike a pose and wait for "FIGHT".

Im still stoked and want this to happen very much as a movie.
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06/10/2010 12:50 AM (UTC)
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If they refuse to complete this movie I say to gather and burn WB studios. Who is with me?
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krac_poe
06/10/2010 12:50 AM (UTC)
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SubZero is right. After 10 or 11 years of thinking I was a fan, I must reconcile that I'm not. What else have I been wrong about? Who am I? Who is God? What is the meanging of it all?
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06/10/2010 12:50 AM (UTC)
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I think it's great that Ed Boon likes it.

Keep on fearing change though. Hide under a blanket if you must.
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06/10/2010 12:51 AM (UTC)
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Anyone that's saying that this MK shouldn't be referred to MK because majority of the key elements are missing, and how other fighting games don't do that... should seriously stop right there.

Mortal Kombat doesn't need to follow tracks of other fighting games. Why? Because whatever the company wants to do with the game should do whatever the hell they want to do with the game. Just because other game companies don't do that with their fighting games, doesn't mean that Mortal Kombat should follow as well.

If there's going to be a drastic change in whatever, then there should be a change, not "I'm going to follow other companies and see what they do with their fighting games because I'm afraid of doing something different."

Boon and Tobias didn't do that when they first made MK. They didn't make Mortal Kombat look like Street Fighter, no, they went beyond that. They added the gore and the violence... Accept the change whether you want to or not.
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06/10/2010 12:51 AM (UTC)
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so true.. i thought 18 years, games, movies, dvds, comics, novels would be enough to make me a true fan.. guess not :)
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06/10/2010 12:52 AM (UTC)
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Siang Wrote:
I played MK1 in the arcades for hours on end.. please don't just think because someone has a difference of opinion to you they are a noobie

Ed Boon has said MK will change with MK9.. it will get darker and grittier...

MK needs a new market to be great again


New market it may have, at the cost of alienating all the fans who like it for what it really is. I'm personally getting fed up with the idea that MK has to be "reinvented" all the time. Why? Freaking polish what's there, ditch stupid characters like Bo Retch O and Mokap, and hire some decent writers and designers. This is all misguided, feeble attempts to save the franchise. Take a look at some successful franchises, just as examples. How long has Superman been around? 60-70 years? How different is his costume, storyline, or character than it was when it first came out? And before you point out the subtle changes that have occurred, keep in mind that those changes occurred over nearly a century. To sum it up, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The horrible acting and dialog on the other hand....definitely fix it. Please.
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06/10/2010 12:54 AM (UTC)
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Using conventional turns of phrase probably isn't help comprehension any, but... As a demo reel showing off choreography et al, great. A spade is still a spade. If you're going to assume that the choreography is what we should take away from the video, then the adaptation process and relevance to the material is still sorely lacking.

I really don't know how we can have gone this long and still be questioning whether or not it bares any resemblance to Mortal Kombat. That has nothing to do with being a "true fan," like I care. A spade is a spade. You can like it all you want -- it isn't anything like Mortal Kombat. To suggest it embues anything established and known of the series is complete fantasy.

Seacrests revealed: I love Bloodsport II-4. I don't think they're good movies.
I accept that this are highly questionable works of crap that I enjoy. I'm sure as hell not going to start comparing them to barely relatable works, argue that they took the franchise where it needed to go, or debate whether or not Daniel Bernhardt is taking Jean Claude Van Damme to more realistic territory. It is what it is.

Why are you so afraid of consistency, of the sensical, of common sense?
Ya, cry for change. Watevs. Ur just afraid of logical consistency.


Somewhere in this thread a conversation about Mortal Kombat actually broke out. I've gotta tell you, it was pretty delightful by comparison.
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06/10/2010 12:57 AM (UTC)
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krac_poe Wrote:
SubZero is right. After 10 or 11 years of thinking I was a fan, I must reconcile that I'm not. What else have I been wrong about? Who am I? Who is God? What is the meanging of it all?


10-11 years? I'm MK fan from 1992. MK actually died 10 years ago when John Tobias left the company. The characters and storyline (after Tobias left) simply become a joke and gone in oblivion. Vogel simply could not replace Tobias. All those characters after Tobias were forgotten. The only thing which could save MK is to bring Tobias back and let him make the storyline and characters once again.
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06/10/2010 12:57 AM (UTC)
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"Ur just afraid of logical consistency."

Those arent even words. Please find a better spearhead for your argument... or just stop. And SubZero, while your argument is valid, its irrelevant to the topic.
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06/10/2010 12:59 AM (UTC)
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krac_poe Wrote:
Those arent even words. Please find a better spearhead for your argument... or just stop.

Whatever, broseph. You're just afraid of consistency.
Hide under your blanket of fear if it helps. You just fear logical sequential narrative. glasses
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06/10/2010 01:00 AM (UTC)
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I think I've come to the conclusion that the people who are fans of this concept are also the ones who seem to think that MK is all about the gore. This must be all their bottled-up emo, cutting oneself angst from having to endure the bloodlessness of MKvDC. You poor things. Really, shocking gore is all this video has to offer. Some decent cinematography and choreography, yes. But that's to be expected. I guess MK has been scraping by on piss-poor standards for the last decade, why change now?
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06/10/2010 01:00 AM (UTC)
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the only consistency I fear is that of Jello.

How can someone fear consistantcy?
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06/10/2010 01:02 AM (UTC)
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krac_poe Wrote:
the only consistency I fear is that of Jello.

How can someone fear consistantcy?

I dunno. Why don't you tell me why you fear consistency?
Because you fear consistency. Unda ur blanketz. glasses
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06/10/2010 01:03 AM (UTC)
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krac_poe Wrote:
"Ur just afraid of logical consistency."

Those arent even words. Please find a better spearhead for your argument... or just stop.

And SubZero, while your argument is valid, its irrelevant to the topic.


How are logical consistency not words?

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06/10/2010 01:03 AM (UTC)
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How does liking this video not make me a true MK fan at all? Because I have a different opinion? How could someone be so ignorant as to think a difference in taste and opinion makes them not a fan.

First of all, let me break down the word "Fan" for you:

–noun
an enthusiastic devotee, follower, or admirer of a sport, pastime, celebrity, etc.: a baseball fan; a great fan of Charlie Chaplin.

1. I am devoted to Mortal Kombat.
2. I follow Mortal Kombat.
3. I am an admirer of Mortal Kombat.

I am currently 20 years old, and my first memory of playing MK was when I was 3 years old with my older brothers of 7 and 11, at a neighbors house on nintendo in 1993. It's the first game I can visually remember ever playing.

Ever since then I have played all the other MKs throughout my life upon growing up. I remember playing MK 3 and 4 in the arcades with my brothers once again. We also owned MK 2 and 3 on Super Nintendo, as well as MK 4 later on. Saw both movies in theatres, as well as owned them on VHS and I have watched them both countless times. I initally came to this site sometime in late 2001. I have since used this site, used to be called MK5.org as I am sure you know, as my homepage ever since. I have gone to tons more MK forums since then, and followed every game's release and made many posts discussing each one on this very site from MK:DA all the way up to now. I own figurines, games, movies, apparel, code books...you name it.

So how exactly does me being ok with this 8 minute pitch for a potential movie that 90% of the population approves of, make me not entitled to the word "fan"? You sir, are foolish if you believe the ignorant claims you are making.
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06/10/2010 01:04 AM (UTC)
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[SUB-ZERO Wrote:
krac_poe Wrote:
SubZero is right. After 10 or 11 years of thinking I was a fan, I must reconcile that I'm not. What else have I been wrong about? Who am I? Who is God? What is the meanging of it all?


10-11 years? I'm MK fan from 1992. MK actually died 10 years ago when John Tobias left the company. The characters and storyline (after Tobias left) simply become a joke and gone in oblivion. Vogel simply could not replace Tobias. All those characters after Tobias were forgotten. The only thing which could save MK is to bring Tobias back and let him make the storyline and characters once again.


I couldn't have said it better myself.
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