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06/10/2010 12:09 AM (UTC)
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MortalKombatFan2010 Wrote:
Mick-Lucifer: Now I thought it was said that that video had nothing to do with the game... and it might not even be made for fucks sake so you really can't go on about how a twenty-year old franchise should not be something it is not. Now don't get me wrong, I too hope this is not for the game, but imo, it would make a cool movie. So either stop fighting or just make the e-fight as funny as it was 2 hours ago...

I don't know about funny, but I definitely laughed at your post.

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PSSST! MOVIES ARE PART OF THE FRANCHISE TOO! WINK!



People are persistently arguing that there's a valid reason for a nearly twenty year old franchise to be something it is not. On the unimaginative and previously undiscussed back of an eight minute video they saw a day ago that was grimey enough to give them a little pubescent thrill. They are arguing that Mortal Kombat should be something almost completely unrelated to Mortal Kombat. This can only be described as absolutely, unimpeachably stupid. This isn't an argument or a fight. It's an indictment of a group of vocal supporters of a textbook creative error.

I would be offended if this discussion and these people weren't being mocked!

Icebaby has a point though. A lack of basic cognitive function is definitely going to make it seem much more palatable.
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06/10/2010 12:10 AM (UTC)
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OptimusGrime Wrote:
JayboH Wrote:
Let me alter this quote a bit:

"You want magic? You want mythology? You want MK?"

Then go watch Annihilation over and over again. It's right up your alley.


Can do. I freaking love Annihilation.


A true masochist.

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I think this would be a successful film if it were actually made. But as far as reboots (or "reimaginings") go, id rather see them go back to what made the first two games great. That is to say I think it wouldn't be a bad idea if they made the new mortal kombat in the style of an old kung fu epic.


You know what my preference would be? Hero had a very epic and continuous storyline. This can be done with MK if you take the basic premise and surplant it into a much more darker setting. MK1-2 is essentially a hero's epic, bit similar to Japanese stories (multiple individuals and episodic in nature).

And brutality. MK should not really show gore. Do not do it. Imply it. That is alot more effective. Also being a heroes epic, but not within the sense of the west.

A hero is not heroic. In my truest vision: Liu Kang is a determined shaolin monk hell bent for the murder of Shang Tsung, because someone has to do it. Sonya is obsessive over catching Kano, wouldn't mind having her in some psychotic scenes which would imply to what lenghts she would go. Johnny Cage could adhere to the westerner hero sense. Snobby bastard rising up to the challenge and valuing his and others lives. The others need no introduction, but PLEASE remove Raiden as the mentor figure. It would serve no purpose with such protagonists. Scorpion, Kano, Sub-Zero are given being bastards.


I agree, I think a making it a heroes epic like star wars or even something kinda simular to kill bill would change it up enough for a modern audience and still not alienate fans like you or I. Of course I think a mortal kombat move should include some violence, that's what the series is known for, but not the same that was shown in this demo reel, not dark and gritty street violence. Because if you look at fatalities in the game, they're not dark or gritty, they're bright and colorful and even sorta cartoony sometimes. So I agree too on the violence implied violence or even just a split second of blood squirting would good. The magic and all that stuff doesn't have to neccessarily go, it just needs to be toned down, one reason mortal kombat is so cheesy is there is no subtlety. But if this sawish, dark knightish modern realist movie is what we get, its what we get.
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06/10/2010 12:12 AM (UTC)
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All of you are arguing about a short movie (just like Batman Dead End) which has nothing to do with the official WB release (if there will be one). This short movie has too many flaws to consider that it is a WB creation anyway. It is just an artistic work and I'm glad that it is. Simply because it would be disastrous for MK in other case.
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06/10/2010 12:13 AM (UTC)
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~Crow~ Wrote:
People really want to abandon the mysticism that has been with MK for all these years? It might be chided when said, but that truly wouldn't be Mortal Kombat anymore. It's too crucial of an element to casually remove. I don't want my supernatural characters boiled down to crazed human psychopaths.

Agreed. When they turned Reptile into a guy with a skin condition, I was pissed. When they made Baraka from a crazed monster into a DOCTOR, I couldn't help but laugh.
It's a pretty cool trailer, but I'm not really impressed with them removing the magic that Mortal Kombat has. When we have this movie competing with the likes of Twilight, Harry Potter, and the movies based off Marvel characters, all of which have elements that deal with either the supernatural or just non-realistic settings, why is it so farfetched to keep those elements in a new MK film?
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06/10/2010 12:14 AM (UTC)
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TTT makes a great point. Where was everyone when MKvsDCU was announced? I seem to remember such touching quotes as, "FUK U BOON" and "SELLING MY COLLECTION ON EBAY, WAS IT WORTH IT BOON?!?????". Where was all the "this is a great direction for MK" then?

Yet here, most people aren't overreacting that way and yet mostly are being labeled as either obtuse or impossible to satisfy.
Mick: LOL you did, did you? Good for you. I don't know if you know this but not everybody is sad about how this is not Mortal Kombat for 2 good reasons:

1. Some people like chance.

2. It may not even ever be made into a movie.
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06/10/2010 12:15 AM (UTC)
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I'll ask again...why is it okay to like the video and not okay to dislike it? I haven't seen any good reasons to suggest why people should be forced to like something they don't like. Everyone has different likes and dislikes. I see a lot of people trying to play the victim because others don't agree with their own assessment of whats cool and whats not. Stop the mud flinging.

It's just a proposed idea of a way to re-imagine the MK universe for a movie. I didn't like it when I first saw it either, but after like 5 minutes I moved on.
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06/10/2010 12:16 AM (UTC)
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I love MK v DC.. sorry, I wasn't around on this board much during that time.. but yeah, I think it actually added a lot to MK.. and I think the sales will show that.
Pink_Ranger: It's alright to hate it, but all I ask is for people to just understand that some people do like it.
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06/10/2010 12:18 AM (UTC)
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I hated MKvDC but I still bought it, still play it to this day, and just consider it an alternate take on MK, the same I'd consider this proposed movie, even though I like the ideas brought forth by the director, it still wouldn't be "canon" MK, just an alternate telling of the tale. THAT is why I don't get why so many people are fighting over it

My only point is why can't two different tellings of the tale, one canon and one not, co-exist?
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06/10/2010 12:19 AM (UTC)
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Siang Wrote:
I'm not being rigid.. I'm just waiting for an argument to convince me otherwise to my opinion.. if there is a good one (and there have been good ones), i do acknowledge it..

I am disappointed the Shaolin may not be in it.. but you know what, I love the look and feel of the film. I love the fighting soundtrack.. it kinda sounds like an invasion will happen on the streets, but whose invasion? Shang Tsungs? or someone else?

Great points DeLaGeezy, Kenshi and Icebaby too..

As for the comic movie points.. they are like MK.. its a cult thing.. my point was just to say that you will never have ever fan satisfied.


That's it bro. The look and film of the movie just screams Mortal Kombat to me. It's exactly what it needs to be.
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06/10/2010 12:19 AM (UTC)
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MortalKombatFan2010 Wrote:
Pink_Ranger: It's alright to hate it, but all I ask is for people to just understand that some people do like it.

Nobody's saying MK fans can't be unwashed, under exposed morons.
They've been doing fine (on the other side of this argument) for the last decade and a half! That doesn't mean we can't all call a spade a spade and be friends.
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06/10/2010 12:19 AM (UTC)
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~Crow~ Wrote:
reptile88 Wrote:
Mortal Kombat has been fun and childish really enough for the last ten years,that's why MK is a fucking joke instead a serious fighting game.


Yeah, except not. What the hell does story have to do with gameplay? Do you think a more serious story (assuming you consider this thing 'serious') is going to suddenly make the MK team make a deeper fighting game? Do you honestly believe the story has any bearing whatsoever on mechanics? MK isn't "taken seriously" because the fighting engine is always riddled with problems and the game just isn't as fun as other fighters once it's a few months old. Story change will not have any impact on that.


i was in a rage when i wrote that,sorry....calling MK story childish may not be the point,but what's so spectacular about MK's story?,it's nothing new or original,i got bored about MK's story years ago,mainly because the team members didnt knew shit on what to do with the game story,so it become a joke for me,the last good thing in MK story was the killing of Liu kang,so this video was fresh air and i was talking about both,story and gameplay,not relating both.
Well this thread went right to hell... Mick, calm down. It's alright. You just watch, when it's shown at E3, I'm sure we both will agree that it's epic as hell. Don't get mad at something that may[and TBH, I can't see being made] not even be ever made.
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06/10/2010 12:26 AM (UTC)
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MortalKombatFan2010 Wrote:
Pink_Ranger: It's alright to hate it, but all I ask is for people to just understand that some people do like it.


The part that I'm having trouble with is the reason they say they like it.

Because the reason they say they like it: "A welcome change," "Needed to do something different," "It's not THAT outrageous," etc. are reasons that were utterly shot down by the same group back during MK vs. DCU.

MK vs. DCU:
A crossover with DC comics. The MK cast and mythos remained pretty much unchanged outside of downplaying some of the violence of the finishing moves despite classics such as "Scorpion breathe fire on you!" remaining intact.

Mortal Kombat Rebirth:
A reimagining of the franchise with wildly rewritten origins and character personalities as well as a perhaps complete removal of all supernatural elements.

MK vs. DCU: "NOT ACCEPTABLE! An unwelcome change! Totally outrageous! Boon's a sellout!"

Mortal Kombat Rebirth: "Amazing! Should be the future of MK! Hopefully this is a permanent change!"

Am I stuttering? How can this change be welcome while MK vs. DCU was an abomination? This makes no sense!
I agree with you, TonyTheTiger. I however, still love playing MK vs DC. Too bad so many people hated it...

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06/10/2010 12:30 AM (UTC)
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Im with TTT

for the most part. Id still like the games to retain some classic essence, but then i think of what could be....

im so distressed!!!

can we have both? its like i love the past but want the change too! jesus im gonna lose it. great post TTT i agree buddy.
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06/10/2010 12:32 AM (UTC)
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Agree.. MK v DC should have been welcomed. MK needs new fans.. more fans.. die-hards need to be accepting of that. Armageddon was to kill off the old mortal kombat.. the new one is being pushed for an R-rating I read.. so yeah.

Please don't read anything I've said as being forcing people to like the short movie.. I just don't appreciate that some people were not only bashing the movie, but the producer and anyone who enjoyed it earlier in the thread. We have different tastes.. but at the core should be our desire to make MK great again
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06/10/2010 12:32 AM (UTC)
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If i want to watch movie like this. I watch Saw. This is a single Saw ripoff with some MK names and few fighting scenes. I don't want a f*cking police thriller! I want MK in the nature of MK1 movie or MK Conquest! That's the road MK should go and not some "New York - Crime Story".
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06/10/2010 12:33 AM (UTC)
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TonyTheTiger Wrote:
MortalKombatFan2010 Wrote:
Pink_Ranger: It's alright to hate it, but all I ask is for people to just understand that some people do like it.


The part that I'm having trouble with is the reason they say they like it.

Because the reason they say they like it: "A welcome change," "Needed to do something different," "It's not THAT outrageous," etc. are reasons that were utterly shot down by the same group back during MK vs. DCU.

MK vs. DCU:
A crossover with DC comics. The MK cast and mythos remained pretty much unchanged outside of downplaying some of the violence of the finishing moves despite classics such as "Scorpion breathe fire on you!" remaining intact.

Mortal Kombat Rebirth:
A reimagining of the franchise with wildly rewritten origins and character personalities as well as a perhaps complete removal of all supernatural elements.

MK vs. DCU: "NOT ACCEPTABLE! An unwelcome change! Totally outrageous! Boon's a sellout!"

Mortal Kombat Rebirth: "Amazing! Should be the future of MK! Hopefully this is a permanent change!"

Am I stuttering? This makes no sense!


Easy. After the disaster of a clusterfuck that was the story of Armageddon, we got the DC crossover. I can see why a lot of people liked it, but I wasn't one of them, but I still bought it and I still play it. But for my taste, a bunch of vicious killers that perform fatalities on eachother and live in a universe full of different realms and Elder Gods and such united with Superheroes and Supervillains, a good handful of which wear their underwear outside their clothes just doesn't leave a nice taste in my mouth.

However, "Rebirth," while outrageous, extreme and to some people sacrilegious, is a fresh and interesting look into the story and characters of Mortal Kombat from an outside source that isn't in any way, shape or form involved with the Ed Boon or the MK team as a whole.

Again, I get it. I see why so many people dislike it, and I can see why many people do like it. What I don't get is why two drastically different versions of MK can't co-exist?
[SUB-ZERO, I don't think this will ever and I mean ever get made, so don't get mad just yet, alright?
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06/10/2010 12:35 AM (UTC)
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I don't think it's sacrilegious at all, I just think it's crap. Seriously, the only thing that MKI needed was some quality. The story, setting and character ideas (at least until Tobias left) were all great. All it needed was some strong writing and quality production. This clip has some good visuals and nice cinematography, but other than that, it's all hogwash.
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06/10/2010 12:35 AM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
MortalKombatFan2010 Wrote:
Pink_Ranger: It's alright to hate it, but all I ask is for people to just understand that some people do like it.

Nobody's saying MK fans can't be unwashed, under exposed morons.
They've been doing fine (on the other side of this argument) for the last decade and a half! That doesn't mean we can't all call a spade a spade and be friends.


I'm cool with people not liking this video, but Mick just takes it to a whole 'nother level by acting as if people who like it aren't MK fans, and even goes as far as to act like they are retarded and their opinion is that of shit. Mean while, if I went on a rant and acted as if anybody who doesn't like it is retarded and claimed they weren't real fans etc., I'd have multiple people bashing me including Crow himself and likely get a little timeout. It's just ludicrous. Those who like it are simply trying to get those who do not like it to maybe give it a shot, and those who don't like it are in turn just acting as if liking a simple video makes your opinion worth nothing.

And as far as the MK vs DC thing goes, who claimed the people that like this video were the ones complaining about the MK vs DC game? I can't speak for anyone else as I didn't take down who was on what side, but I know I was one of the supporters of the game, and enjoyed the game as a 1 off. Also, you bring this up as a point, yet you said it yourself Crow, you wouldn't mind if the movie changed things up, but the game you want to stay the same. So to say that if you complained about the last MK game, why are you ok with this? They are two seperate forms of media and thus people prob. have different desires for their direction.
Thank you very much TrueNoob for just saying it's crap and not "OMFG! WHO EVAH LIKES THIS VIDEO AIN'T A TRUE KOOL FAN LIKE ME!!!!!!"
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06/10/2010 12:39 AM (UTC)
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MortalKombatFan2010 Wrote:
Thank you very much TrueNoob for just saying it's crap and not "OMFG! WHO EVAH LIKES THIS VIDEO AIN'T A TRUE KOOL FAN LIKE ME!!!!!!"


'preciate it, mate. Fact is, I'm all for a good re-imagining, the key word, of course, being "good."
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