hey I agree, Great American bash did look like it sucked except for the Cruiserweight title match and the US title match. Bad Blood had better matches of course.

But I'am talking about the actual storylines on Both Shows

On Raw, you have this whole Lita/Matt Hardy/Kane pregancy storyline which the WWE doesn't even have a plan on how to end it, Chris benoit isn't really feuding with anyone right now, Edge isn't feuding with anyone, Randy Orton isn't feuding with anyone hell, the rest of Evolution for that matter isn't doing much. unless you count there little feud with Euegene. It seems like all the Champions on Raw arn't feuding with anyone. I mean, La Resistance are the Tag Champions. but they're stuck on heat.

whereas on SmackDown!, you got the JBL/Eddie feud, Chavo/Mysterio feud, the US title feud with Cena,Booker,Dupree and RVD, and my favorite of them all, the Undertaker/Dudleys/Heyman storyline which actually gotten better sence Taker is now a heel it seems. theres so much happening on SmackDown! right now whereas theres very little happening on Raw.

But hey, these are just my opinions. And I respect others who don't agree with me.

Alpha_Q_Up Wrote: For shits and giggles:

LOL!

Heres some more...

Also, heres a link to a video of Taker and Bearer practicing their stunt before the show started...

http://iwcw.net/undertaker_kills_be...ir_satellite.rm

TNA is the shit, at the least it's something different and fresh. Forget WWE, Lita/Matt/Kane...wtf...just ghey with a capitol G.

JBL is a joke. Closeline from hell = SOO GOOOD!!Yank yank.

I hope TNA keeps growing. It's so nice to see more than 4 or 5 peeps actually wrestle. Imagine that shit 0_0. Ghaa...I'm so fed up with "The Fed."

Yeah, lets forget about the "mid carders" and "jobbers." Who wants to see peeps actually throw down good shit on a consistent basis? We get to sit around and watch garbage. Then when one good match or gimmick, out of the whorde of shit, actually arises WWE expects us to flock and praise. Simply nausiating.

Apparently I enjoy watching a big boot every night from every big man. Oh shit, he fell on his ass, that was impresive. But, hey, it's okey, even though he's green and on TV. He's got sweet tats that every fucking eight year old draws, he's bald and has a goatee. Totally hardcore!

WTF, where's Shelton? Prolly sitting back, playing some Tekken or Madden, waiting to get a push. His excellent NCAA creds, great look, an absolute love for the business. He has skills, though, so scratch that push. What about Funaki? Meh, just a scrubby asian, wtf does he know about working and laying down a good match? When was the last time I saw RVD fly over something other than the top rope?

Meh, I think I'm going to grab my pillow and DDT that shizzle, maybe drop the big leg then pump handle that bitch into oblivion. Lord knows it would be more entertaining than this WWE vomit.

This week on Smackdown:"Wait, you hear that? Its the sound of everyone changing the channel." 'Friends' reruns don't seem so bad now.

i also think Smackdown has gone downhill since lesnar and the big show left now all the best characters are at raw (even though Goldbergs left). I'm talking Kane, HHH, Edge, Jericho, Benoit, Michaels and Eugene whereas the new characters in SD suck. Mordecai, Reins and Suzuki all blow. oh and i doubt Shelton benjamin is playing tekken...he's broken his hand.

This whole thing with Paul Bearer is just way too ridiculous, in my opinion. There's only so many laws you can break, and I think they had already went over the line with the Dudley Boyz kidnapping Bearer, now the Undertaker kills him live? Whatever happened to a little thing called THE LAW? At least nothing ridiculously criminal is going on at RAW.

Zentile Wrote: This whole thing with Paul Bearer is just way too ridiculous, in my opinion. There's only so many laws you can break, and I think they had already went over the line with the Dudley Boyz kidnapping Bearer, now the Undertaker kills him live? Whatever happened to a little thing called THE LAW? At least nothing ridiculously criminal is going on at RAW.

I agree, there is no sense in WWE anymore. Also a question for everyone: Do you think that Evolution needs to be disbanded, because they have been around forever, and it's getting old. Very Old. Either the writers stop using Evolution as storyline devices all the time, or I'm going to be a full time TNA fan (and from what I've seen so far, TNA is miles ahead of WWE now).

I don't think Evolution should break up, just change. Triple H should be taken out. Ric Flair should stop wrestling and be a mentor character for Orton and Batista.

Except for chavo and rey, The Great American Bash sure did suck. The US title match didn't seem to bad. I love the undertaker but like someone mentioned, it is weird when they start ignoring laws. I'ma have to disagree with earlier statements and say Raw is lightyears ahead. I like Chris Beniot much better than JBL.

Now that Undertaker is heel now and is now fully with Paul Heyman, I wonder what the plan for the new duo is. I bet you you on SmackDown! this week, there gonna have a funeral for Paul Bearer. As for Undertaker killing Bearer, eh, its all just entertainment anyways. No different from when they kill someone in a movie or a TV show. And besides, its makes Taker that much more meneancing which is cool.

Anyways, as for Raw. Chris Benoit Vs Kane should be a good match, but its so obeius that Benoit is gonna retain and I hate it when its so obeius like that. it was already annoucned that Triple H is the #1 contender for the World title at Vengeance. and its so sad to, Kane deserves to be World Champion right now than to be stuck in this pregancy storyline. ugh!

NoObSaIbOt777, you are very wrong about TNA being miles ahead of WWE. They are nowhere near WWE's league. Jerry Jarrett doesn't have the finances to compete on the level with Vince that WCW once did. Don't kid yourself, TNA is good, but they got alot of catching up to do.

Now, as for last night, I'm officially done with SD for now, as I said in an earlier post. The whole thing with Bearer/Taker is a work people. There were no laws being broken, like olympic_Hero said, it's no different then when the networks kill off a character on tv.
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Sting Featured On WWE Website, Sting To WWE?, RAW Tonight; More:

As of right now the only announced match for RAW is the Benoit vs. Kane rematch from Bad Blood. There is also expected to be Eugene/Benoit/HHH and Hardy/Lita/Kane storyline advancements.

WWE.com has a picture of Sting featured on the main page with the text: "Sting in WWE? Ric Flair has some strong feelings about this.” The reason for this is so WWE can promote their Video On Demand package for the replay of Great American Bash. When the link is clicked the page reads:

“A never-before-seen interview with Ric Flair. He has been there for the birth of The Great American Bash, and now he’s here for its return. Watch as Flair gives you all the behind-the-scenes info on the legendary pay-per-view, including the reasoning for its success and eventual demise.”

Live Notes From A Fan Who Attended The Great American Bash: Paul Bearer's "Death":

First, i want to let everyone know that it was not Paul Bearer in the glass case as you can imagine. They have some man with horrible mask and make-up job in the box. That was a huge part of the reason they never showed any true close-ups during the match. The first time Paul Heyman hit the switch to let the cement go into the box it took to long for the truck's barrel to get rolling and nothing happen. The production team automatically showed a shot of Paul Bearer being knee high in cement with honestly not a drop had fallen. Paul Heyman eventually left the truck due to having complications with it so that's part of the reason he was just in the middle of the entrance. The whole time the switch wasn't even on cement continuously flowed into the box.

After the PPV went off the air they immediately opened the box door and all the cement came slipping out. The paramedics had a hard time getting "Paul Bearer" into a stretcher before hauling him off to the back.

During the first Main Event with the bullrope match it they were having some electrical problems. They were testing the lights on each turnbuckle and apparently they were working fine. Some how during the match the person who was suppose to signal the lights for the correct person had a mix up and signed a turnbuckle that JBL never touched. Another turnbuckle throughout the match whenever hit kept continously blinking on and off.

Undertaker's Role, Summerslam SD Main Event, Bradshaw, Eddie:

With WWE choosing to go the route that they did last night at the Great American bash, having Bradshaw defeat Eddie Guerrero for the WWE Title, there had been some talk of a Summerslam match that would feature Bradshaw defending the strap against Eddie Guerrero and the Undertaker in a three-way match, according to PWTorch.com.

The plan if this were to go through would be that Undertaker will play a tweener character from now until Summerslam, where he'll reveal his true loyalty during the match. Though, it is unknown how he will ever be able to justify "killing" Paul Bearer and ever become a babyface in the eyes of the fans again.

WWE Superstar Gets New Gimmick:

*The WWE is looking to repackage Garrison Cade into a “Shawn Michaels” type character to be called H.B. Cade. They are presently getting Cade new ring attire to debut the character on television. (GOD I REALLY HOPE THE CHANGE THEIR MINDS!)

Official WWE RAW Preview:
From WWE.com

Last week on Monday Night RAW, General Manager Eric Bischoff made a major announcement regarding the June 28 edition of RAW. In a rematch from Bad Blood, Chris Benoit will defend his World Heavyweight Championship against the monster, Kane. Will the Big Red Machine finally have Benoit's number? Or will Benoit be able to make it two in a row against the challenger? Find out on RAW.

Last week, Matt Hardy's life changed in an instant. He went from an expecting father about to propose the woman he loves to a mentally confused man who may not even be the expecting father he thought he was. The Matt Hardy/Lita love saga is far from over. What's next for this troubled couple? Is Kane really the father of Lita's baby?

As RAW went off the air last week, Eugene was left motionless in the middle of the ring as a result of a beating by Triple H and a misplaced chair shot by Chris Benoit. Can Eugene recover from the attacks on him by men that he thought of as friends? Watch Monday Night RAW at 9/8 CT on Spike TV to find out.

PPV PREVIEW FOR JUNE 30th: THE WORLD TITLE DECISION:

THE WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE DECISION: JEFF JARRETT OR THE TRUTH? WHO WILL RUSSO CHOOSE?
Controversy erupted last Wednesday night on Pay-Per-View during the Jarrett vs. Truth World Title match when the 3LK member used a guitar – one that Jarrett brought into the ring – to win the World Title! Following the bout, Director Of Authority Vince Russo had a tough decision to make: Recognize Truth as the new World Champion, or disqualify Truth and give the gold back to Jarrett! According to Russo, we’ll hear his decision this Wednesday night live on Pay-Per-View

AN UPDATE ON JEFF HARDY AND TNA:
Jeff Hardy shocked the wrestling world on Wednesday, returning to the sport to face AJ Styles for the X Division Title. But the bout was marred by interference, as Kid Kash and Dallas ruined what could have been an X classic! Disgusted with the outcome, Hardy left the ring and walked out of the arena! This Wednesday night live on Pay-Per-View, we hope to have an update on Jeff Hardy and his future in wrestling!

X CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
CHAMPION AJ STYLES VS. KID KASH:
Last Wednesday night, Kid Kash ruined what could have been an X classic when AJ Styles faced Jeff Hardy. After interfering in the match and attacking both Styles and Hardy, the K-I-D nearly succeeded in injuring the X Champion. Now, Kash is ready and focused on this Wednesday night as he takes on Styles for the gold! Can Kash back up his big mouth with an X Title win? Or, will The Phenomenal One remain tops in the X Division? Tune in and find out as two X Division pioneers meet again for the gold!

GRUDGE MATCH
NWA WORLD TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS AMERICA’S MOST WANTED VS. THE NATURALS:
Determined to make an instant impact in the TNA tag team ranks, The Naturals – Chase Stevens and Andy Douglas – have gone after the biggest dogs in the yard America’s Most Wanted. After several sneak attacks, The Naturals have managed to enrage Chris Harris and James Storm – and now they want payback. This Wednesday night, two of TNA’s top teams will meet in a Grudge Match to finally settle their differences. One way or another, we’ll find out if The Naturals made a mistake in going after the champs!

THE ALPHA MALE VS. D’LO BROWN:
Following his recent return to TNA, D’Lo Brown announced his one and only focus was climbing the ladder back to the World Heavyweight Title. However, one superstar took exception to that statement - the Alpha Male! During an interview last Wednesday night, The Alpha Male brutally attacked D’Lo, saying he would have to first get past him to get to the gold. As a result, TNA officials have signed the bout between D’Lo and The Alpha Male for this Wednesday night live on Pay-Per-View!

SABU AND SONJAY DUTT VS. TEAM CANADA:
The Genocidal, Suicidal, Homicidal superstar Sabu will once gain team with the “Original Playa From The Himalaya” Sonjay Dutt this Wednesday night to take on the talented athletes of Team Canada! Can Sabu and Dutt keep their focus on Team Canada with the ongoing situation involving Raven? Can coach Scott D’Amore’s team continue to impress and rise up the Tag Team Title ranks? Tune in and find out!

DOUBLE OR NOTHING HUMILIATION MATCH
PAT KENNEY & SONNY SIAKI VS. THE NYC:
Gilberti and Swinger have an opportunity to end their ongoing humiliation this Wednesday night live on Pay-Per-View, IF they can beat Siaki and Kenney! But, if The NYC drops the match, it will be an additional month of humiliation for Gilberti and Swinger! Can Gilberti and Swinger earn back their respect? Tune in and find out!

CONTRACT OR THE MONEY
ERIK WATTS VS. ABYSS w/ Goldylocks:
In recent weeks, Goldylocks has had a briefcase containing Erik Watts’ savings handcuffed to her wrist. Time and time again, Watts has attempted to reclaim his money, but the monster Abyss always stands in his way. That is until Goldylocks made Watts an offer – a contract vs. cash match! If Watts can beat Abyss this Wednesday night, he gets his savings back. But if he loses, Goldylocks owns Watts’ TNA contract!

ALL THIS AND MUCH MORE THIS WEDNESDAY NIGHT!

jade2004 Wrote: oh and i doubt Shelton benjamin is playing tekken...he's broken his hand.

My bad. How long is he expected to be out?

All I can say is that Bret Hart needs to go back to TV

Satyagraha Wrote: jade2004 Wrote: oh and i doubt Shelton benjamin is playing tekken...he's broken his hand. My bad. How long is he expected to be out?

I read that he should be back around August. Probably in time for Summerslam.

Garrison Cade's new gimick seems fuckin stupid. at least its better than the gimick he has now. The Generic Garrison Cade

Chair_Shot|MyU Wrote: All I can say is that Bret Hart needs to go back to TV

If only that were possible. There have been rumors going aroud the online community for the last little while of a possible Bret Hart return to WWE, to do a retirement angle at Mania 21, but nothing more has been said.
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Jeff Hardy Update, Angle's Return:

Most expect Kurt Angle to return to in-ring wrestling by Summerslam at the latest. According to PWInsider.com, there is no word yet whether Angle's return to the ring will affect his position as Smackdown General Manager.

An "update on Jeff Hardy" will take place at this Wednesday's TNA PPV, according to TNA. There is a lot of feeling that if TNA can work something out with Hardy they would be able to obtain him on a regular basis. If Jeff does sign with TNA it would be a big surprise to the wrestling world, as many remember Jim Ross publicly writing that he wants to bring Jeff Hardy back to WWE. We'll have more on this as soon as we get more information.


Brock Lesnar Featured On ESPN.com, NFL, Injuries; More:

ESPN.com just recently put up a feature article on Brock Lesnar's quest to make it to the National Football League. The article states that part of Lesnar's decision to walk away from his "$45 million contract" (which is a totally overblown number) was mainly all of the travel and the fact that Lesnar had to spend so much time away from his family. What set him off was the 50 hours of travel during WWE's South African tour this year.

Also, the article notes some of the injuries that Brock suffered during his motorcycle accident in April. Included were a broken jaw, fractured left hand, a severely pulled groin, and tissue damage in Lesnar's lower abdomen. His testicles were also bruised and swollen for several weeks following the accident.

Sorry, but that's pretty funny.

Just wondering if anyone else actually got to see Jeff Wrestle? Also, that match with the Mini and the midget was just too good. That ref busted out a sick drop kick, too.

Edit: Also, is it just me, or do the TNA ropes look really, really, stiff 0_0....good stuff.

What in the sesame street fuck?!?! I've been out of town for over a week and what do I find on Raw, friggin Days Of Our Lives!!! As if that whole serial killer thing couldn't be dover done, they got Kane and Lita doing this crap. Oh man!

What next? Stephanie finds out that Vince is not really her father, but Paul Orndorff is?

*reaching for 5 Deadly Venoms DVD*


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Don't change the subject of the thread, also try to make some sense please.

This is the wrestling thread, for us to talk about wrestling.

HHH/Regal Match: DAMN good to see Regal in action again. He really needs to take better care of himself.

And I'm gonna say it if no one already has. I kinda see Eugine as the new George "The Animal" Steele, but with much better wrestling ability.


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Which music did Regal come out to?