m0s3pH Wrote:


Did you give it maximum defense and special defense EVs?

legoslayer10 Wrote:
Well, from the sound of it, Riy doesn't try to win, just has fun. Riy doesn't seem like a super competitive player from what I've read, and I therefore see justification in doing as he does. He gives a Pokemon moves based oin a different Pokemon to have some fun with it. Unfair for tournaments- yeah, Illegal if I know right. Doesn't mean you can't mess with your opponent for the fun of it. I have an entire team (ARed by my friend) I use if I just wanna mess with somebody. (i.e, Sableye with Wonder Guard and Shadow Force at 20 PP, Tortera with Flamethrower and Blizzard with a maxed- out Sp. Atk). I understand just trolling your opponent.

m0s3pH Wrote:
Seriously. Stop.

You base your training around defensive EVs, right? So, then it would stand to reason that you're trying to make a bulky annoyer out of Vileplume. Vileplume can have one of two abilities:

Chlorophyll - 2x speed in sun.
Effect Spore - 30% chance to inflict paralysis, poison, or sleep when hit by a physical attack. (Dream World)

On a defensive Pokemon such as this, or whatever the hell you're pretending it is, Chlorophyll is worthless. Why? You're building this Pokemon to take a hit, so it doesn't matter if it gets its Toxic/Aromatherapy/Sleep Powder off first. It'll absorb the damage and do whatever you told it to do. At least if it gets hit physically, it can inflict a status and you can use moveslots on other support options, like Moonlight, Substitute, Tickle, or you can combine Effect Spore with Venoshock if the opponent becomes Poisoned. Alternatively, you can use Vileplume to come in on Toxic Spikes and start putting statuses on a number of Pokemon. With its abysmal speed, you shouldn't be using it as a sweeper and if you are, then you need to burn another team slot on a sun user, because Vileplume is better off doing other things than providing its own sun.

You said you like to "masquerade" it as a Dark type, correct? Well, here's a perfect example of why masquerading is dumb. You can say that Vileplume is a Dark type all you want; it can't stop Psychics, it doesn't get STAB from the only Dark type move it can learn (Fling, which is awful anyway), and therefore can't super effectively hit ghosts either, and finally, for what Vileplume does, it wishes it could be as good as Umbreon.

Then again, why am I even bothering to argue this with you? You can just Action Replay yourself whatever you want. Go nuts.

Harle Wrote:
Seriously. Who gives a fingerlickin' fuck what the competitive standard is for anything. This is how this one person likes to play his game, regardless of what a bunch of pretentious boobs on the internet decided was the proper way to play. If he finds success in REAL Pokemon, not simulated internet play where everyone is practicing these closed-minded, centralizing standards, then what he's doing works for the environment in which he plays. If he finds success in "standardized" play? Even better.

m0s3pH Wrote:


You should see this one guy whose match replays I frequently watch. He uses Pokemon that aren't often seen (with the exception of Blaziken) with movesets that aren't the competitive standard, but he still wins because he plays to his team's individual strengths. He doesn't pretend that his team is something that it isn't.

I'm not sitting here trying to say "you have to do this or else". All I'm saying is that he's doing things that don't make sense for the Pokemon he's using, and the tactics would be better served on others. It's simply incompatibility. But as I've said multiple times, he can just use an Action Replay to give himself whatever he wants, so it matters little what I (or anyone in the competitive scene) thinks or says.

legoslayer10 Wrote:
See, AR can be good for some things, but is pointless for competitive play whenever you do something like max all EVs, or give Spiritomb/Sableye Wonder Guard as an ability. But if you're looking to have fun and/or just mess with you ropponent, go for it.

It's a little thing referred to as "mind-rape". Though very inappropriately named, it does kind of explain it- purposely trolling your opponent and causing their mind to conflict itself. It can be fun and NOT competitive at the same time. That's the unique thing about Pokemon, there is no rights or wrongs when ti comes to making your team because no team is the same nor is the user's battle style. I have my main team, Grass Team, Troll team, and my Legendary Team. Each is very uniquely set to my preferences for this variation of Pokemon. yeah, the "Troll" team is not a legitimate team, but I use it illegitimately. I don't use it because it can't be defeated, I use it to have fun. Isn't that all the game is really about?

Riyakou Wrote:
Truly, the fun of the game is the core awesomeness of Pokémon; it has a level of fun unlike any other franchise.
I actually have both legitimate and illegitimate teams. The majority of my legitimate teams consist of the teams I used to defeat the Elite Four of any generation the first time. The other teams consist of a select group of pokemon I train for actual competitive battling, which is really for the Pokemon World Tournament in B2W2.
I seldom do serious battling online. I'm not really a competitive person so I don't put forth that level of effort. Of course, I utilize strategies and I plan for battles, but I do it for the sake of strategies. I like seeing how they turn out.
To be honest, if any of you are willing to help me test out my otherly strategies, that would be awesome!

Jerrod Wrote:

Hit me up some time, I'm always in the mood to battle MKOers. So far I've only battled Mime.
Anyway, to change the topic a bit... For the new Fairy types that were announced (Gardevoir, Jigglypuff, Marril), does anybody believe they'll be dual types or monotypes? Will Jigglypuff be a Normal/Fairy? Let's speculate!

Jerrod Wrote:
Oh... Damn. Okay then. In any case, now Jigglypuff (and most likely Wigglytuff) are immune to Ghost attacks and can achieve super effective, STAB attacks on Dragons... Cool.

Jerrod Wrote:
I like the idea of Normal being super effective against Fairy. It makes sense when you think about it... Fairy tales helps us believe that Dragons can be beaten; Normal life reminds us that not all Fairy tales come true. Kind of poetic, eh?

m0s3pH Wrote:


Just give Normal something, anything.

Harle Wrote:


Ice too! Heh... With Fairy being super-effective against Dragon, its introduction only hurts Ice. It's already a type that is largely reduced to coverage moves rather than actual Pokemon... I think Fairy should be weak to Ice to expand Ice's former niche from dragon slayer to overall fairy-tale slayer.