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10/23/2014 08:46 PM (UTC)
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MikeyRu Wrote:
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Please someone tell me WHAT they would like to see Sonya be in MKX because everything that she could have been to make her unique and fresh has been given to Cassie..

I still stand strong on Johnny and his seido powers, See? I give examples of things to argue. and examples of what directions these characters take.

PLEASE someone tell me what Sonya can be? What can make her stand out?


Wiser. Less hotheaded but still confident, and maybe more emotionally open because of having a kid.

As for moves, they could give her more pink energy moves. Give us some kind of backstory where that came from. Her arcade ending in MK9 suggests her father might have been someone important, or that ghostly figure could have been misleading her because it has its own plans for her. Maybe she's being manipulated. Maybe her dad isn't from Earthrealm.

She has more to lose now, with Cassie. She might be really protective of her. Maybe she's the opposite and is pushing Cassie to follow in her military footsteps. Maybe she's not nurturing, and instead she's very strict and cold. Maybe she's an absent parent, off saving the world, and Cassie is trying to impress her.

Maybe her and Johnny split after Cassie is born, and they actually end up on teams with opposing views. Maybe she ends up on the baddies' side.

There are tons of possibilities for Sonya. I'd personally really like to see at least one of her variations focus on her pink energy. Maybe the quest she went off on in the end of MK9 leaves her with more powers.


This is the first rational conversation I have had with a Sonya fan. Thank you for conversing. (I am being sincere)

Having her father be from some other place other than earthrealm would be a good start.

The other stuff is mostly about story mode potential and not gameplay potential.

To make it clear I am not against her in story mode.. she almost nearly HAS to be story mode considering MK9. But I am more concerned with her potential with respect to gameplay (a roster spot) I am not sold.
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10/23/2014 08:51 PM (UTC)
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Chrome Wrote:
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And that pink energy doesn't need a explanation at all.

Its just technology from the army, didn't you see Jax ending, with all the mecha-computers and stuff.

Nothing magical or whatever, technical system, you see her use the device in MK9 to free jax from prison, its notmagical power, its a device that creates it. Boring.


Except it has been confirmed that Sonya's pink rings are NOT technological stuff. Cannot recall where, I think it was around MK3 and the movie. We had a debate about this way back around the time I joined, what, 8 years ago?


I have to dig this up. Canonically she produces that herself without technology.


It's called Energy Rings, which she uses her energy from her body.
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10/23/2014 09:04 PM (UTC)
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Well Ice Freak, then why are all the bad-guys that survived in MK9 (+ Rain) not in this game? They didn't die, they survived just like Sonya and Johnny, and they didn't even get a stupid daughter or son to replace them.

So why they can die off-screen but the good-guys can't?

You are freaking biased.


You do not know the bad guys that survived MK9 are not returning. NRS has not released all the returning characters that will be in MKX.

Maybe the bad guys that survived MK9 die in the comic series? We were told that there would be many deaths in them and I can not recall if they are canon. Maybe Kotal Kahn kills them when they vie for the throne of Outworld. It would be really cool though.
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10/23/2014 09:11 PM (UTC)
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If their relationship is strained...

Sonya: Cassie you shouldn't be here...
Cassie: Get a grip mom. I'm not a child anymore. *pops gum*
Sonya: Could have fooled me.

Cassie: Here we go. I've been waiting a long time for this.
Sonya: There's more at stake here than you'll ever comprehend...
Cassie: Whatever. Let's do this.

If their relationship is solid...

Sonya: You sure you're up for this?
Cassie: I learned from the best.
Sonya: Then I won't hold back...

Cassie: Well, this is awkward.
Sonya: It's for the greater good. Are you chewing gum?!
Cassie: *gulp* No...
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10/23/2014 09:17 PM (UTC)
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MikeyRu Wrote:
If their relationship is strained...

Sonya: Cassie you shouldn't be here...
Cassie: Get a grip mom. I'm not a child anymore. *pops gum*
Sonya: Could have fooled me.

Cassie: Here we go. I've been waiting a long time for this.
Sonya: There's more at stake here than you'll ever comprehend...
Cassie: Whatever. Let's do this.

If their relationship is solid...

Sonya: You sure you're up for this?
Cassie: I learned from the best.
Sonya: Then I won't hold back...

Cassie: Well, this is awkward.
Sonya: It's for the greater good. Are you chewing gum?!
Cassie: *gulp* No...


*Applauds* I can see those being implemented, good thinking!
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10/23/2014 09:21 PM (UTC)
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Johnny Cage and Sonya survived MK9, They will both be in MKX. That's the way it's going to be, so get use to it. Not sure why there's so much hate for these two on this forum.
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10/23/2014 09:25 PM (UTC)
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Possible Sonya variations...

Martial Arts Sonya : Graceful, Catwoman-like moves. Strong punches and kicks and flips and cartwheels. Her leg grab move is here. Maybe her bicycle kick too.

Energy Sonya : Energy rings and more magical moves like her flying punch, etc. Maybe she can leave energy traps to stun or throw up in the air, or energy bombs for big damage.

Military Sonya : An older, more focused Sonya. Much more aggressive and harder hitting moves. More grapple'y and scrappy. Grenades? A combat knife? A more dirty fighter. Blinding kiss of death.
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10/23/2014 09:38 PM (UTC)
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xysion Wrote:
DVorah Wrote:
Well Ice Freak, then why are all the bad-guys that survived in MK9 (+ Rain) not in this game? They didn't die, they survived just like Sonya and Johnny, and they didn't even get a stupid daughter or son to replace them.

So why they can die off-screen but the good-guys can't?

You are freaking biased.


You do not know the bad guys that survived MK9 are not returning. NRS has not released all the returning characters that will be in MKX.

Maybe the bad guys that survived MK9 die in the comic series? We were told that there would be many deaths in them and I can not recall if they are canon. Maybe Kotal Kahn kills them when they vie for the throne of Outworld. It would be really cool though.


Well then my naive cutey, then Sonya and Johnny can ALSO be killed in the comic.

End of story.
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10/23/2014 09:40 PM (UTC)
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OttoVonRuthless Wrote:
Johnny Cage and Sonya survived MK9, They will both be in MKX. That's the way it's going to be, so get use to it.

Not sure why there's so much hate for these two on this forum.


They survived it yeah, but Mileena, Reptile, Ermac and all those others did too, and I don't see you mention them,.

Good-guy lover.
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10/23/2014 09:47 PM (UTC)
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DVorah Wrote:
xysion Wrote:
DVorah Wrote:
Well Ice Freak, then why are all the bad-guys that survived in MK9 (+ Rain) not in this game? They didn't die, they survived just like Sonya and Johnny, and they didn't even get a stupid daughter or son to replace them.

So why they can die off-screen but the good-guys can't?

You are freaking biased.


You do not know the bad guys that survived MK9 are not returning. NRS has not released all the returning characters that will be in MKX.

Maybe the bad guys that survived MK9 die in the comic series? We were told that there would be many deaths in them and I can not recall if they are canon. Maybe Kotal Kahn kills them when they vie for the throne of Outworld. It would be really cool though.


Well then my naive cutey, then Sonya and Johnny can ALSO be killed in the comic.

End of story.


Not really because they still have to fall in love and have a daughter together.
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10/23/2014 09:50 PM (UTC)
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And, you know, the whole Boon saying they were playable with variations thing...
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10/23/2014 09:56 PM (UTC)
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And, you know, the whole Boon saying they were playable with variations thing...


I thought that was the German magazine GameStar just writing that. Did they say that Boon said it? Doubtful. I will have to re-check.

However I firmly believe that Johnny Cage is playable. Adam Urbano said you could fight Cassie Cage as Johnny Cage. It makes sense story wise and Johnny Cage was very popular character in MK9. A lot of people like playing as him.
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10/23/2014 10:05 PM (UTC)
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xysion Wrote:
DVorah Wrote:
xysion Wrote:
DVorah Wrote:
Well Ice Freak, then why are all the bad-guys that survived in MK9 (+ Rain) not in this game? They didn't die, they survived just like Sonya and Johnny, and they didn't even get a stupid daughter or son to replace them.

So why they can die off-screen but the good-guys can't?

You are freaking biased.


You do not know the bad guys that survived MK9 are not returning. NRS has not released all the returning characters that will be in MKX.

Maybe the bad guys that survived MK9 die in the comic series? We were told that there would be many deaths in them and I can not recall if they are canon. Maybe Kotal Kahn kills them when they vie for the throne of Outworld. It would be really cool though.


Well then my naive cutey, then Sonya and Johnny can ALSO be killed in the comic.

End of story.


Not really because they still have to fall in love and have a daughter together.


They can die after that.
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10/23/2014 10:14 PM (UTC)
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thisiscourage Wrote:
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..Cassie's "abilities" incorporate military assistance which is sweet; she looks like a great addition to the roster.

But if cassie has the military corner on lock where can sonya extend her abilities into? Having two military based chicks would be redundant, and yes, a wasted spot. Even if one of the military chicks can kick wicked freaking good it is not enough of a difference to warrant a space in my opinion.

If you feel differently I can not help but assume you are thinking out of an emotional attachment to a favorite character: Sonya. And not logically.
EDIT: and on a side note: i really do hope Johnny returns with seido powers, that would fun and original and fresh. If not, I hope he is just a story mode character.


Because two blonde military gals would have to have the exact same moves, the exact same clothes, and the exact same personalities, right? Like Sub-Zero, Sektor, Cyrax and Smoke were all obviously the same, being all Lin Kuei ninjas and such.

Do you feel the same way about adding more than one Shokan, or individuals of the same inhuman-looking species, that it's redundant? Not that it'd be any more true.


Considering I am talking about this from a gameplay standpoint I don't see the reason to turn this into a racist/sexist argument yet again DG10A. That is getting quite old.
It's not about having two human's or two saurians or two shokan's its about have two character's that share the same "abilities".

Let's assume we get two saurian's, and these guys/gals can make themselves invisible and spit acid. THAT would be redundant and stupid.

So why have two chicks that can call in air strikes when you could just have one and be perfectly fine. If you argue that Sonya doesn't necessarily need military abilities in her arsenal then she would just be a pseudo military gal with no in-gameplay ties to the military besides an outfit and get this.. she can still kick awesome! and punch!

..not necessary


and by the way I do think having more than one shokan is stupid because NRS has shown a poor aptitude to making them unique from one another.


My whole point (which will fly over the heads of people like you) is that having a limited roster should mean having a unique roster. I guess I can't blame people for wanting their favorite character to be included but if a new suarian was announced that had standard saurian abilities (unlike Khameleon/chameleon who were created as a rainbow-ability ninja clone and then their story came after to flesh them out as saurian) like spitting acid then I would not want Reptile included.

I guess the difference is that I am not being selfish? idk.

So to insinuate that I am sexist and that I dont want "two blonde gals" is way off base. My prejudices are not limited to gender or fictional race DG10A, so come off it.



I never said anything about sexism or racism. But your assumptions were funny.

And what abilities do Cassie and Sonya share, save for a very few, that make them nearly identical? Because so far, Cassie doesn't share that many moves with either of her parents. That fact constantly goes over many people's head.
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10/23/2014 10:30 PM (UTC)
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Except Cassie doesn't share any moves with her parents except the split but punch.

Similar and sharing are two different meanings.
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10/23/2014 10:31 PM (UTC)
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Yes they said Boon told them Sonya, Johnny, and Liu would be playable with variations that reflected their ages in the 25 year timeline.
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10/23/2014 10:33 PM (UTC)
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DVorah Wrote:
OttoVonRuthless Wrote:
Johnny Cage and Sonya survived MK9, They will both be in MKX. That's the way it's going to be, so get use to it.

Not sure why there's so much hate for these two on this forum.


They survived it yeah, but Mileena, Reptile, Ermac and all those others did too, and I don't see you mention them,.

Good-guy lover.



Yeah there also in the game no doubt, calm down buddy
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10/24/2014 12:16 AM (UTC)
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DVorah Wrote:
They can die after that.


Probably not because the writer from the comics said that he wanted to tell the story of how Cassie became the way she is. She probably got her personality from Johnny so for me looks highly likely that Cassie and Johnny interact a lot.

I think we will see plenty of both of them in MKX. Seems like a lost opportunity to flesh out their relationship if they died straight after Cassie being born.
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10/24/2014 02:31 AM (UTC)
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I felt they wanted to change the johnny cage always dies trend in mk 9. It would be stupid to kill him off again.
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10/24/2014 02:51 AM (UTC)
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Chrome Wrote:
DVorah Wrote:
And that pink energy doesn't need a explanation at all.

Its just technology from the army, didn't you see Jax ending, with all the mecha-computers and stuff.

Nothing magical or whatever, technical system, you see her use the device in MK9 to free jax from prison, its notmagical power, its a device that creates it. Boring.


Except it has been confirmed that Sonya's pink rings are NOT technological stuff. Cannot recall where, I think it was around MK3 and the movie. We had a debate about this way back around the time I joined, what, 8 years ago?


I have to dig this up. Canonically she produces that herself without technology.


An MK3 "kollector's book" with dev interviews has Tobias referring to Sonya's rings as a psionic power. I believe he also said she got the Upward Bike Kick from training with Liu.

But that was Tobias. In 1995.

Fastforward to the 3D/Vogel era and you have MKA show her literally pushing buttons on a wristwatch to shoot a pink blast at one of those yetis Taven fights in the arctic stage.
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