I would like to see both playable. I really liked playing as Johnny Cage in MK9 but I also like Sonya.

If I had to pick over the other I would want Johnny Cage though and I think he is practically assured to be playable though. He was extremely popular in MK9 and he most likely plays a important part in the MKX story.

There's plenty of space for diversity, Sonya and Johnny being in the game just make total sense in my opinion. I'm pretty sure the game will include them in one way or another. Definitely in the story, though.

Cassie doesn't have ANY of Johnny or Sonya's moves except in her X-Ray.

I believe the point of Cassie is to inherent the will of her parents. Having Sonya or Cage as playable would kind of make her existence pointless, opposition seems based purely on nostalgia googles. Could NRS make the Cage family work? sure, but they knew Sonya an Cage past their prime wouldn't be as appealing as a breath of fresh air that embodies certain aspects of their character and personality for nostalgia while introducing something new.

You create an hybrid to represent other characters, it already happened with Kira. There's precedent for this. Also, unless there's complete footage of Cassie Cage's gameplay in all her variations, none can confirm she doesn't have any of their parent's moves. Boon said her gameplay incorporated moves from both of her parents, that's the more reliable source we have for now.

The point of Cassie is that the story takes place over...

A) Playable time periods before Cassie is born, when Shao Kahn has just been defeated and Johnny and Sonya are the only Earth warriors left alive to fight against the next threat...

AND

B) Playable time periods where Cassie is a 20-some year old adult soldier and her parents are old and weak if they're still alive.

People keep forgetting about part A, and that's a stupid mistake to be making. We can talk about what she "inherits" in MK11. Not before.

Um, Sonya would be in her 40s, it's not like she'd be gray and feeble. Gwen Stefani is 45.

Sonya deserves to return the most, given the end of the last game (it's finally her chance to shine) and the fact that Cassie barely has any Sonya moves. No leg grab, no energy rings, no kiss of death, etc. Plus, aside from being blonde, Cassie doesn't look like Sonya.

Cassie plays like a female Johnny. Johnny is the one who would be the most redundant unless they totally revamped his moves.

This^ is exactly on da money!



Umm....I believe Cassie is a female, not a male.

She's 26 during MK1. 25 years later would make her age 51. Still perhaps capable of fighting, but certainly not in the prime of health.



That's just plain untrue.

Gwen Stefani isn't a battle-hardened soldier. Sonya is.


Cassie doesn't have any of her parents' moves, other than some being represented in her X-Ray move.

Both. Both are flawless.

Johnny by a mile.

Sonya and her nonevolving storyline are long past their shelf date.

I hate the "deserve" word, but I'm gonna say Johnny because reasons.

I meant the point in Cassie's concept, her creation, it's not the same as her role in the story.

Also, do you have an early copy of the game, because you sure talk like you do, may as well upload videos, no?. How arrogant you have to be to state such massive speculation, based on really flimsy evidence, as facts, now that's stupid. Debating is out of the picture with that kind of mentality, you should think about that.

From a gameplay standpoint, it would be a tragedy if Cage didn't return. He obviously will, so I have no worries.

Sonya was a horrible gameplay design, but I still think she should return just for the sake of coherency. It would be dumb to have Cage, Cassie, but not Sonya.

But they need to fix that bitch. I can't stress how dumb it was to fight against Sonya in tournament.

They'll both be in the story, but as for the roster, I'd see Johnny returning over Sonya.

Like others have stated, his MK9 arcade ending would be really interesting to see happen.

I think you may be missing the part where that's deliberate.

Anyone that believes Cassie in any way at all overlaps with and makes her parents redundant is making a mistake. There's no debate to be had, I do not mean to argue differences of opinion with them because this is not a matter of opinion, I mean to educate them on FACTS, obvious facts that they're either unaware of or have chosen to willfully ignore.

For example:

1) For the millionth time, Cassie DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF EITHER OF HER PARENTS' FUCKING MOVES.

2) She WON'T BE AROUND for most of Story Mode because we KNOW from MULTIPLE developer interviews that her time period is the chronologically-LAST one out of MANY that the game covers, and most of those time periods are ones where her parents would have the spotlight because she would be only a child or not yet born.

Nope, not nearly enough, no facts, just delusions/opinions, gross speculation, flimsy evidence, try again when you have an early copy of the game (not the one in your head).

You haven't watched a single god damned Cassie gameplay video or Boon interview where he talks about story mode, have you?
How about this. How about YOU prove how MY evidence, which has existed since E3 2014, is untrue?
How about YOU show ME a video where Cassie does one of Sonya or Johnny's moves? How about YOU show ME a video where someone says Story Mode ONLY takes place 25 years after MK9 and Cassie is present for the entire story?
Since you're so keen on debate, how about you back YOUR side up like I've backed MINE up? How about a little quid pro quo?
Or is it perhaps possible that you have nothing, that this ISN'T about opinion and my facts are the ones that are true, and you're being petulant about the fact that I've exposed how baseless your under-informed previous assumptions were, and are simply retaliating out of an EMOTIONAL response rather than acknowledging logic and reason, by slinging falsehoods and insults around for no good reason?
Here, let me help you get started:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cassie+cage
And please do be kind enough to remember that the nut punch doesn't count because it's part of her X-Ray, not a special.

Well, I disagree. Just my opinion. And as for Gwen Stefani, I'm merely pointing out that someone nearing 50 can still be youthful, strong, and beautiful. She's not going to be gray haired and using a cane. Besides, Boon said that Sonya was going to have variations that depicted her at different ages.

She actually does have the nut punch outside of her X-Ray, in the Hollywood variation. The animation differs from the X-Ray one, she does it on her knees with both fists.

She also has a cartwheel but her's goes backwards flipping the opponent up, Sonya's does the opposite.






*I'm not disagreeing, just pointing this out.

Yeah, thats the thing. All her moves are similar in concept to a Johnny or Sonya (or just as often Stryker with the guns and baton) special, but every single one has greatly different animations and properties, which makes her her own character, not a clone like Kira or Jarek, so that both of her parents can be in the game and play differently from her.

Johnny Cage or Sonya Blade? Both! It's highly for them being fully playable characters. There are a lot, lot of Sonya fans (include queve, MikeyRu, LeoBrZ81, samuhai, Sonya31, Sonya_B, Keith, QueenSindel(TheBitch), tonytrash, Darkmage41, MerdinBlade, Sonya_Cassie, etc).

None of Sonya's and Johnny's signature moves are being used by Cassie. She is just different from Sonya in the same way Sindel is different from Kitana, or Kenshi is different from Ermac. Cassie's Nut Kranker is different than her father's. The problem is that I've seen these comments with people saying "why sonya and johnny in the game? we already have cassie", "i don't want sonya and johnny because cassie has those of sonya and johnny", blah, blah". People still aren't paying attention to the videos, interviews, gameplay, etc. She hasn't shown a whole lot of moves shared with her mother and father, but her moves are differently like her Shadow kick being a jumping kick and her cartwheel going backwards. Her parents will most likely play very differently to their daughter when they're playable.

German GamePro magainze said Ed Boon mentioned that Johnny and Sonya had variations that reflected their different ages. I'm excited to see how badass a 40 or 50-something year old veteran Sonya could be. We are ready to see younger and older versions of Sonya and Johnny!

I'm inclined to agree with Razor. But I do think I heard Ed Boon say that more of the story will take place at the latter end of that 25 year, although I don't know if I'd be able to find that interview.

But that doesn't make Johnny and Sonya any less relevent. In fact, I think it's pretty much essential to at least have them in the story. I'd really like them to be playable.

However, if it really had to be just one, I gotta say I really liked Johnny Cage in storymode, and I liked his gameplay too, so I'd have to say Johnny over Sonya.

Emotional? that's a good one .Your post is an excellent example of an emotional response due to having his pre-existent bias questioned.

Insulted? didn't know facts=/=opinion hurt your feelings. For what is worth I don't care for them.

I have never claimed facts, you're the only one pressed here to prove the impossible, providing a source doesn't make your impression or prediction based on it a fact, it only affects the credibility of your opinion. How can that be so hard to understand? where is the "logic and reason" behind it?

Let me give you an example: the story has been confirmed from reliable sources to take place through different time periods, beginning from the ending of the previous game to 25 after, saying that somehow confirms the inclusion of Sonya and Cage as playable characters is a negative proof fallacy. It's not a fact.

Saying that I need to "prove you wrong" in order for your claims to not be considered facts is again a negative proof fallacy, it is not a fact. Until they are confirmed as playable character their inclusion or exclusion as such in the game it is not a proven fact and, therefore, up for debate, now that is logical thinking.

Of course none can provide proof at this time they're not playable, that's my belief based on what I know, just as you, and that's an opinion, that's what is being questioned here, not you "evidence".

Like I said, debating with you is out of the question with that kind of attitude. I'm sorry, but simply I wont have it.

My post is an example of having an appropriate response to you being confrontational, accusatory, and lying. In other words, at the risk of sounding childish, you started it.



You claimed my facts weren't facts but did not back up that claim in any way. You didn't even make an ATTEMPT to, until now.

So now that you finally have, let's address that...



It doesn't have to prove that Sonya WILL be playable, it only has to demonstrate that Cassie CAN'T be playable for large portions of the game, and those same portions are the ones where Sonya and Johnny are most LIKELY to have the spotlight because of their age and context continued from the end of MK9.

Your argument that began this was that she makes them redundant, that the purpose of her creation was to replace them.

The very timeline of MKX's story mode as given by the developers themselves establishes that assertion as impossible. "Right after MK9", Cassie won't be born yet. "Five years after MK9", Cassie will either not be born yet or be a baby, "Ten years after MK9", Cassie will be a child, "Fifteen years after MK9", Cassie won't be old enough to fight, etc. And any one of these periods is a time that Johnny or Sonya potentially CAN appear and fight.

The only time she could actually replace her parents on the roster, the only time her presence would provide a reason to leave them off, is in a sequel set entirely during her adulthood. Which is not this game.

Thus, even if they're NOT playable, that's not what the argument is about. What matters to the argument is that Cassie CANNOT be there to replace them or inherit their roles. You are provably wrong about the reason for her creation.

And for the record, if you did pay attention to a single goddamn interview like I said, you'd know Ed accidentally confirmed Johnny will be playable months ago, he's just not revealing him yet.



I told you this isn't a debate and I don't want to have a debate. A debate is a comparison of differing opinions.

This is education. I am giving you information you don't seem to have and hoping you absorb it.