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LordSkarlet
09/18/2014 11:00 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Jealousy can be such an ugly thing. wink

On a more serious note, gotta disagree that the storytelling in the DA opening is good. It's an effective summary, but the narration is terribly voice acted and there's no real action in it save the far-too-quick Liu/Shang fight. What makes the MKD opening the best is that it strikes all the right dramatic chords and has a beautifully choreographed fight scene. The only other scene in the series that's in the same league is the Shaolin Monks opening, but it has its own flaws.


It always pissed me off how quick that fight between Liu Kang & the Deadly Alliance was in the opening. So have been at least 2 minutes but that ending was just for shock value like most of the things NRS has done.
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RazorsEdge701
09/18/2014 11:23 PM (UTC)
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I don't mind the neck snap. I actually think the way Liu dies was really well done. It's pretty much the only moment in that intro that's worth watching, since everything else is just bland exposition. I mind that the whole fight was two kicks (or one kick with an instant replay?), a punch to the jaw, and then he's beaten by a single fireball to the back.

I get time and budget limitations, but I think there HAS to have been better, more visually spectacular ways to depict the series' main character's final battle. A quick montage of snapshots perhaps? Or gee, maybe they could have not wasted all their money on that Scorpion/Quan Chi fight from the commercial and Adema video?
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RedSumac
09/18/2014 11:46 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
On a more serious note, gotta disagree that the storytelling in the DA opening is good. It's an effective summary, but the narration is terribly voice acted and there's no real action in it save the far-too-quick Liu/Shang fight. What makes the MKD opening the best is that it strikes all the right dramatic chords and has a beautifully choreographed fight scene. The only other scene in the series that's in the same league is the Shaolin Monks opening, but it has its own flaws.

I am not saying that MKDA opening was the best thing ever. It had it share of problems. CGI quality was one of them. Animation - was another. Never saw anything wrong with voice acting, though. It was good enough for me, especially after MK4. I could care less about action as long as opening served its purpose, which it did perfectly. It was awesome in setting right mood for the game and conveying sense of change.

MKD opening was much better from the technical point of view, but it was quite bad from storyline perspective. The same goes for MKSM, which, while technically awesome, messed up everything about MK1 and MK2 stories (Champion of the tournament Goro defeats Liu, but Liu still somehow becomes champion of the tournament because he defeated Shang? What?).

Jaded-Raven Wrote:
It's not boosting Razor's ego when all he did was to present the official lore. That just means he's good at reading.

If only he was so good at interpreting...sleep

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Jealousy can be such an ugly thing. wink

Jealous? Of you? Please. grin
I've yet to stoop that low to be jealous of a person who obsessed with his own headcanon. You aremore like an annoying curiosity to me. But that's really how I treat most of the people.

LordSkarlet Wrote:

It always pissed me off how quick that fight between Liu Kang & the Deadly Alliance was in the opening. So have been at least 2 minutes but that ending was just for shock value like most of the things NRS has done.

I think it maybe had something to do with quality of the animation of the opening. It really...didn't look good, so they make attempt to cut battle between Liu and wizards as short as possible.
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I feel so alone, gonna end up a Big ole pile of them bones.

09/18/2014 11:52 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
DjangoDrag Wrote:
However, I do feel like a noteworthy shift when Tobias left was that the dark, hellish, pseudo-Satanic aspects of the game left as well. Shang Tsung, Shao Kahn, and even Quan Chi to an extent had a bit of that vibe back then. A sort of sacreligous thing. But to me, from DA onwards, stuff started feeling more like Masters of the Universe. I love Masters of the Universe, but I liked Asian Hell more. Basically, it's Cosmic vs Demonic. Skeletor Shao Kahn vs Occult Emporor of Hell and Master of Pain Shao Kahn. lolz


Well I honestly don't feel there was any kind of tonal shift in the switch from Tobias to Vogel...I'm not sure where it's coming from for you unless it's a subconscious effect of the switch from bluescreened actors to those goofy bulbous 3D models the PS2 era games used...

But honestly, for me, the game most similar to a cartoon was MK3, and Mythologies, 4, DA, and Deception all gradually brought things back more towards being like MK2.

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Although I'm probably one of the few that prefers the story telling of MKDeadlyAlliance over any of the rest of the titles. Awesome intro that sets up the plot, arcade ending that gives many truths about the future, but falsehoods as well so you weren't quite sure which ones were real. Plus the Konquest mode gave a lot of great story info of EACH fighter. Something none of the other games have done a good job with.


Definitely agree with all of that.

Also, I like Onaga as a villain almost as much as Kahn, partly because of the way he was seeded into the lore ahead of time so well in DA, but mostly because of how epic the MKD opening cinema was. I still think that opening is the greatest cutscene in the history of the franchise. Certainly nothing in MK9 story mode comes close.


Mortal Kombat Deception is one of my favorite MK games of all time. I wish they would have continued with this story plot rather than Armageddon honestly.
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Jaded-Raven
09/19/2014 12:06 AM (UTC)
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RedSumac Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
It's not boosting Razor's ego when all he did was to present the official lore. That just means he's good at reading.

If only he was so good at interpreting...sleep


There's nothing to interpret. It's the lore. That's how it actually is. It's not some random hints written as metaphors that is up for interpretation.
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RazorsEdge701
09/19/2014 12:24 AM (UTC)
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RedSumac Wrote:
headcanon


There's that security blanket again.

Keep pitchin' that narrative, bro. Maybe one day it'll pay off and you'll be the popular one.
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RedSumac
09/19/2014 12:55 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
There's nothing to interpret. It's the lore. That's how it actually is. It's not some random hints written as metaphors that is up for interpretation.

It's not so much about the lore.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
There's that security blanket again.

Keep pitchin' that narrative, bro. Maybe one day it'll pay off and you'll be the popular one.

Truth hurts, eh bro?

And...popularity? Really? Heh. P-uh-lease. I am not interested in such triviality.
You, on the other hand, with your constant desire for people to stroke your EGO size of a Jupiter...
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Jaded-Raven
09/19/2014 12:59 AM (UTC)
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RedSumac Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
There's nothing to interpret. It's the lore. That's how it actually is. It's not some random hints written as metaphors that is up for interpretation.

It's not so much about the lore.


Then please explain what it is about.
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RazorsEdge701
09/19/2014 01:03 AM (UTC)
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RedSumac Wrote:
desire


I'm not the one who posts to talk about it every time someone compliments me.

You're pretty transparent, chief. Have been for a loooong time.
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09/19/2014 01:11 AM (UTC)
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RedSumac Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
There's nothing to interpret. It's the lore. That's how it actually is. It's not some random hints written as metaphors that is up for interpretation.

It's not so much about the lore.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
There's that security blanket again.

Keep pitchin' that narrative, bro. Maybe one day it'll pay off and you'll be the popular one.

Truth hurts, eh bro?

And...popularity? Really? Heh. P-uh-lease. I am not interested in such triviality.
You, on the other hand, with your constant desire for people to stroke your EGO size of a Jupiter...

Hey! no stroking....it's a family show.
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I feel so alone, gonna end up a Big ole pile of them bones.

09/19/2014 01:51 AM (UTC)
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LOL I wanted was a great discussion. Is it too much to ask for?
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RedSumac
09/19/2014 02:09 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Then please explain what it is about.

About characters: their personalities and their goals views and the like.

I mean, you can have whatever views you want, just don't postulate them as the final and ultimate TRUTH.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
I'm not the one who posts to talk about it every time someone compliments me.

You're pretty transparent, chief. Have been for a loooong time.

Projecting much?
But I can understand you. Honestly. Nobody does appreciate your knowledge of MK'verse in the real world, but here you are LRMSTR. Sadly your EGO, crude attitude and general abrasive personality do not win you many friends.

Poooooor thing. I could almost relate to your problems...except not. tongue

annilation Wrote:
LOL I wanted was a great discussion. Is it too much to ask for?

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RazorsEdge701
09/19/2014 02:27 AM (UTC)
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RedSumac Wrote:
Projecting


Funny, that's the first word that came to my mind too.
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DjangoDrag
09/19/2014 02:39 AM (UTC)
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@RedSumac

I paid excellent attention. If I didnt I likely wouldnt care to post on a site like this.

And I stand behind my "contrived" statement. The Kamidogu was such a video-game-plot-device that its literally laughable. At least MK3 had a moderately fun occulty resurection plot device to accomplish its impending peril.

@RedSumac, these are just my opinions. If ya dont agree, cool beans. But do keep your obtuse condescension to yourself. It makes you look mentally ill.
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09/19/2014 03:53 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:

I get time and budget limitations, but I think there HAS to have been better, more visually spectacular ways to depict the series' main character's final battle. A quick montage of snapshots perhaps? Or gee, maybe they could have not wasted all their money on that Scorpion/Quan Chi fight from the commercial and Adema video?


You have offended the gods of nu-metal.
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RedSumac
09/19/2014 04:15 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Funny, that's the first word that came to my mind too.

Plagiarism is bad, you know?

DjangoDrag Wrote:
I paid excellent attention. If I didnt I likely wouldnt care to post on a site like this. And I stand behind my "contrived" statement. The Kamidogu was such a video-game-plot-device that its literally laughable. At least MK3 had a moderately fun occulty resurection plot device to accomplish its impending peril.

@RedSumac, these are just my opinions. If ya dont agree, cool beans. But do keep your obtuse condescension to yourself. It makes you look mentally ill.

Mentally ill for pointing out obvious? confused
Oh, well...such is the sad state of the world this days...no, wait. It was always fucked up place full of inattentive people who proclaimed that their inability to concentrate and understand was fault of the authors who didn't make simplistic story for kindergardeners. Nothing changes. Nobody takes your opinion away. It's just opinion need a basis. When the basis of opinion is faulty - opinion is rotten. Such is a simple logic.
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DjangoDrag
09/19/2014 04:33 AM (UTC)
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@RedSumac

If you want to be condescending, please at least do so in decent English.
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09/19/2014 07:40 AM (UTC)
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While Razor is at least as bloated as a Great Unclean One when it comes to the importance of the story, he does know his stuff.

As do I and anyone who bothers to read through it.
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Jaded-Raven
09/19/2014 11:53 AM (UTC)
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DjangoDrag Wrote:
@RedSumac

If you want to be condescending, please at least do so in decent English.


Zing!
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RedSumac
09/19/2014 12:14 PM (UTC)
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DjangoDrag Wrote:
If you want to be condescending, please at least do so in decent English.

It's all you've got?
Meh...sleep
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DjangoDrag
09/19/2014 06:13 PM (UTC)
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RedSumac Wrote:
DjangoDrag Wrote:
If you want to be condescending, please at least do so in decent English.

It's all you've got?
Meh...sleep


In this medium, communicating effectively is all any of us have got.
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RedSumac
09/19/2014 06:31 PM (UTC)
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DjangoDrag Wrote:
In this medium, communicating effectively is all any of us have got.

When the bird is flying, it's high in the sky.
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Minchken
09/22/2014 03:03 PM (UTC)
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The one being was not about "everything is a dream" right? It was just like "In the beginning there was the elder gods and the one being. the one being was powerful so they split him into many parts." the end right? That would suck if it turned out everything was a dream.
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RazorsEdge701
09/22/2014 06:43 PM (UTC)
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Minchken Wrote:
The one being was not about "everything is a dream" right? It was just like "In the beginning there was the elder gods and the one being. the one being was powerful so they split him into many parts." the end right? That would suck if it turned out everything was a dream.


Did you read the thread? Because there's concrete evidence to the contrary quoted from the games.
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RedSumac
09/22/2014 07:04 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Did you read the thread? Because there's concrete evidence to the contrary quoted from the games.

It's not an evidence. It's suggestion in the same way as one might suggest that our world is a dream of somebody else.
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