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UlcaTron
04/23/2014 10:40 PM (UTC)
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Kai should be the only monk (besides Kung Lao, but I doubt that's gonna happen) in the game now that the other two main ones are dead (again).
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Sub-Zero_7th
04/23/2014 11:19 PM (UTC)
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I'm going to say "no", simply because I think his story has more or less been told. If MK2011 had been a real reboot, there could have been more possibilities for a good story for him.
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KungLaodoesntsuck
04/23/2014 11:26 PM (UTC)
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Yes.

I do feel like he'll come back as a zombie, but be a lone fighter type. I doubt he'll want to work with Raiden after he killed him.
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Immortal_Kanji
04/23/2014 11:35 PM (UTC)
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I don't want him returning as a zombie. I'd rather see him revived by Shinnok normally.

But scarred & burned.

Turned neutral...turned into a rogue.

Perhaps give him false memories of Raiden.
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Spider804
04/24/2014 07:40 PM (UTC)
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Yes to Liu Kang
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DG1OA
04/25/2014 12:02 AM (UTC)
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I think he should return, but with a twist: Shao Kahn has taken over his body!

Kahn's soul could have gone into Liu Kang's body after his body was destroyed, as a way to cheat death. Obviously, we wouldn't know that right away.

At first, Liu Kang's behavior would just seem strange. He'd be oddly forgiving towards Raiden, get things he should know wrong, etc. Raiden would just view it as PTSD, as well as a consequence of frying him alive, which might have impaired Liu Kang's memories a bit. He would just be relieved to see him alive, and, apparently, in a better mood.

Even Quan Chi and Shinnok wouldn't know Kahn is still alive, in Liu Kang's body. Liu Kang himself would still be inhabiting his own body, and trying to suppress Shao Kahn's will.

They could wait several games before revealing the truth. I think it'd be interesting if a body-swapping storyline like this one didn't last for only one game.

I admit that this was inspired by the Superior Spider-Man storyline. Not that "Liu Kahn" would be trying to be a hero, he'd just pose as one.
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Immortal_Kanji
04/25/2014 01:15 AM (UTC)
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DG1OA Wrote:
I think he should return, but with a twist: Shao Kahn has taken over his body!

Kahn's soul could have gone into Liu Kang's body after his body was destroyed, as a way to cheat death. Obviously, we wouldn't know that right away.

At first, Liu Kang's behavior would just seem strange. He'd be oddly forgiving towards Raiden, get things he should know wrong, etc. Raiden would just view it as PTSD, as well as a consequence of frying him alive, which might have impaired Liu Kang's memories a bit. He would just be relieved to see him alive, and, apparently, in a better mood.

Even Quan Chi and Shinnok wouldn't know Kahn is still alive, in Liu Kang's body. Liu Kang himself would still be inhabiting his own body, and trying to suppress Shao Kahn's will.

They could wait several games before revealing the truth. I think it'd be interesting if a body-swapping storyline like this one didn't last for only one game.

I admit that this was inspired by the Superior Spider-Man storyline. Not that "Liu Kahn" would be trying to be a hero, he'd just pose as one.


I like it! Bet Kahn & Liu will be fighting each other for control of his own body.

Kahn will be posing as Liu, while Liu is inside his own body. He is forced to watch Kahn pose as him in order to deceive his friends.

But even though Liu couldn't forgive Raiden, Liu is forced to watch Kahn.

But will he return scarred & burned or something? Maybe go neutral?
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RazorsEdge701
04/25/2014 02:07 AM (UTC)
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Given the WAY he died, he pretty much HAS to come back. That was a revenge-from-beyond-the-grave storyhook if ever there was one.
So I guess that's a yes.
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Immortal_Kanji
04/29/2014 03:17 PM (UTC)
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I would like to say yes if they put up a hooded Liu Kang. He can hide the scars that Raiden put him through.
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Chimera
04/30/2014 02:06 PM (UTC)
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Immortal_Kanji Wrote:
I would like to say yes if they put up a hooded Liu Kang. He can hide the scars that Raiden put him through.


Like in Legacy? Sounds awesome. He may have died but with the way that went, he's comin' back different.
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Icebaby
04/30/2014 05:00 PM (UTC)
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Liu Kang is a definite yes!










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Next up is Mavado



Unless there's truly a purpose for him to come back with the Dragon Clans, I'm going to say no. I did like the concept behind this character (In fact, I wouldn't have mind if they had kept his "beta" look) He's not a bad character at all, its just I don't see him having a purpose in the next game. So it's a no for me.
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Immortal_Kanji
04/30/2014 07:48 PM (UTC)
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I don't see much purpose for the red dragon. It would be nice for new characters from the clan to show up.

Perhaps save the Red Dragon until Kano is dead in MK10.
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RazorsEdge701
04/30/2014 09:35 PM (UTC)
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The Red Dragons are allies of Shinnok.

Personally, of the three members, I actually like Mavado the least and if I had to pick one to put in MK10, I'd say Daegon...but I think the grappling hooks idea has potential and he could be turned into something if he had an actual personality and dialogue.
So...Yes? Maybe?
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Zmoke
05/01/2014 12:15 AM (UTC)
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Mavado is like the opposite of Kabal — one is ugly and another is Antonio Banderas. When you think about it, the hookswords are not really swords because they are almost always used like any hooks. Perhaps the next MK will make a change to that and utilize the sword part of them better. Joo.
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RazorsEdge701
05/01/2014 01:03 AM (UTC)
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He shouldn't have hookswords. That was only a function of the "Everyone needs a weapon" engine, and they used it as an opportunity to up his "Red Dragons hate Black Dragons" cred by saying he killed Kabal and stole his.

Since Kabal died already ...and will probably be in the next game anyway, using his hookswords as a zombie, and the next game hopefully won't have anything like the Styles and Weapons engine, there's no reason for Mavado to use any kind of sword, hooked or otherwise.
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Icebaby
05/01/2014 01:35 AM (UTC)
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I'm going to assume it's the Metal Gear Solid fan girl inside of me (since I'm currently playing Ground Zeroes and in a very MGS mood) but I feel like he should have guns at his disposal.

Of course, that's probably too silly for him and it's just me being a fan girl.
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05/01/2014 01:58 AM (UTC)
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Visually, I very much adore Mavado, and I also love his unique fighting style.

I honestly wouldn't mind playing with him again, especially in a new game where he'd be well updated. Usually I'd go for story validity, but for Mavado I'll go against it this one time and say yes.
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05/01/2014 04:01 PM (UTC)
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Get rid of the cameltoe & we're on to something.
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PickleMendip
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STATE FED LIES CHARM EMPTY EYES. Anon.

05/01/2014 07:53 PM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote: (In fact, I wouldn't have mind if they had kept his "beta" look)


You mean the red-trimmed matador costume? I must say the hat is very sharp.

The hookswords are symbolic of the rivalry, so i don't know if it would even be possible to omit them, even in the new timeline where Kabal is now a zombie. The hooked ropes do have amazing potential with new technology though, and SERIOUSLY need developing further. Yes to Mavado as the quasi-2nd-in-command of the RD. He should interact more with Daegon.
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KungLaodoesntsuck
05/01/2014 08:14 PM (UTC)
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This is kind of tough for me.

On one hand, I don't like him. Don't hate him, but didn't leave much of an impression on me either.

However, I think it would be really interesting to see how he's played in a 2D plane. He could be a really cool poking character. And he could use his grappling hooks to go behind or in front of the opponent. (Like Cyborg in Injustice)

I'll say Yes for his potential to be fun to play.
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Zmoke
05/01/2014 08:59 PM (UTC)
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PickleMendip Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote: (In fact, I wouldn't have mind if they had kept his "beta" look)

You mean the red-trimmed matador costume? I must say the hat is very sharp.
The hookswords are symbolic of the rivalry, so i don't know if it would even be possible to omit them, even in the new timeline where Kabal is now a zombie. The hooked ropes do have amazing potential with new technology though, and SERIOUSLY need developing further. Yes to Mavado as the quasi-2nd-in-command of the RD. He should interact more with Daegon.

For Truth
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RazorsEdge701
05/01/2014 09:10 PM (UTC)
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But there actually IS no rivalry between Mavado and Kabal.
One's "thought to be" dead and the other has the swords, then they switch places, and neither one cares about the other while they BOTH have hookswords in Armageddon? Fuck that! Whatever implied battles MIGHT have occured between these two happened behind the scenes BETWEEN games instead of DURING them and is actually the WORST part of Kabal's entire storyline, because it completely derailed him from the character he was in MK3 into some kind of "believer"-type who has a religious awakening and leads a group of Chaos-worshipping terrorists. None of it was organic, it's all so contrived.
And Mavado NEVER speaks or DOES anything in any game, he has no personality, he has no dialogue, he's not a character, he's a fucking mannequin in a "cool looking" trenchcoat and I often suspect the only reason he was created was so someone on the team could go "now he have a token Hispanic guy".
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Zmoke
05/01/2014 09:18 PM (UTC)
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No buts. It was already indicated that the symbolic rivalry with Kabal is important to Mavado's identity. He doesn't have much more than that.
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RazorsEdge701
05/02/2014 02:51 AM (UTC)
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Mavado doesn't have anything at all then, (which is kinda what I've been saying anyway, there's no character there, the only guy more shallow is Chameleon.) because it wasn't actually a rivalry anyway. A rivalry is when two people repeatedly fight or compete against or hate each other because they have a personal grudge that goes on for a long time.

Mavado fail-killed Kabal ONE TIME because he hunts down ALL Black Dragons, like he has a list he was just checking names off of, presumably he's killed many BEFORE Kabal, and his plan was to kill Kano next. He doesn't care about Kabal. If he did, he WOULDN'T have killed him because Kabal hadn't BEEN a Black Dragon for many, many years at that point.

Kabal then tracked down and fail-killed him ONLY to get his hookswords back and then never thought or cared about the matter again.

His bio never even actually mentioned Mavado by name, it only showed his body lying in the background of the picture, so clearly it was as far from personal as could possibly be.

And Kabal never fought a Red Dragon again or mentioned the Reds or cared about the Reds, nor did Mavado care about Kabal, even when the two were in the same game in MKA.

Calling that a rivalry would be like calling Kitana vs. Smoke a rivalry in MK9 because they fought twice.
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Zmoke
05/02/2014 03:13 AM (UTC)
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You don't have to start giving those lectures. Nobody asked for it — that's totally uncalled for especially considering the recent events. Mavado is a Red Dragon, Kabal is a Black Dragon and Red Dragons rival Black Dragons.
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