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Azraelthelastangel

@Azraelthelastangel

•03/07/2015 03:14 PM (UTC) •

The 3d era had some good characters and alot of good story ideas that should have been touched on or cherry picked for this game such as,

The Deadly alliance of shang tsung and quan chi
The lead up to the dragon king (the look of the dragon king probably needs a redo)
netherrealm war etc.
characters like Havik, Fujin, tanya etc.

Which leads to the next problem The choices for these legacy characters were poor IMO, cassie cage makes the most sense but the other 3 are pretty puzzling (takeda and jaqui briggs being the worst) and it forces the inclusion of some of the more tired original characters that could have and should have taken a time out for this game (do we really need all of jax, sonya, johnny cage? plus there very similar in theme kids?) to allow for the inclusion of some of the more classic 3d era characters or evil characters like shang and baraka who add to the storyline or deserve to be fleshed out (like a baraka or 3d era characters) in the same way some of these more tired original characters have been.

The second sub zero, kung lao etc are examples of interesting legacy characters and I just don't see this new group(with the exception of cassie) having any lasting appeal it kind of reminds me of frost in the 3d era she was reasonably popular (though disliked by some as well) but you wouldn't take her over sub zero in a game if you had to choose between the 2.

I am a fan of all the MK fighting games from the trilogy to the 3d era etc and think almost all the characters deserve some nostalgia with the exception of say mokap or meat.

BADASS6669

@BADASS6669

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I kill people for a living. Get over it.

•03/07/2015 04:15 PM (UTC) •

200 replies on a thread I created to make fun of all the roster bitch fest threads.

There are allot of great points made in this thread

Eldergod1

@Eldergod1

•03/07/2015 04:29 PM (UTC) •

Wow so much hate for the roster.

redman

@redman

•03/07/2015 04:34 PM (UTC) •

Eldergod1 Wrote:
Wow so much hate for the roster.

Did you get banned again? lol you can't keep making accounts after you get banned you have to wait

Eldergod1

@Eldergod1

•03/07/2015 04:37 PM (UTC) •

redman Wrote:

Eldergod1 Wrote:
Wow so much hate for the roster.

Did you get banned again? lol you can't keep making accounts after you get banned you have to wait

What are you talking about? Im new here never been here before.

Randwulf

@Randwulf

•03/07/2015 04:45 PM (UTC) •

Eldergod1 Wrote:
Wow so much hate for the roster.

Rightly so, if the roster is accurate. There are definitely characters I am excited to play in MKX, but there are too many in the roster I am so bored with, and have been for years. I support most of the new characters, but am confused why new characters with relatives it the cast are essentially just clones of their relatives. I am ok with MKX being a Special Forces storyline, but not ok that so many meh fighters are in.

Here is hoping for some redemption with DLC. Odds are they planned to put the fan favorites as DLC to sell them, anyways. I mean, let's be honest, is Jax or Sonya going to sell DLC the way Tanya, Reiko and Fujin would/will? Nope, which is why they stuff the ho-hums in to the starter roster.

thisiscourage

@thisiscourage

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•03/07/2015 04:45 PM (UTC) •

FerraTorr Wrote:

Windice Wrote:
The problem is mileena a and shinnok a factions are not represented well. The other sides have way more

Yup. Not ONE Mileena henchman on the roster? Where's Reiko or Rain?

And I don't care to hear the revenants excuse. There should have been at least one playable Brotherhood of Shadows member besides Quan Chi and Shinnok.

So true. There almost has to be NPC fights with generic henchman right? It's the only way the story mode would work.

Kotal and his gang will probably fight the special forces in those fake filler fights that don't really have story relevance. Where after the fight each person wipes the blood off and shakes hands.

Eldergod1

@Eldergod1

•03/07/2015 04:48 PM (UTC) •

thisiscourage Wrote:

FerraTorr Wrote:

Windice Wrote:
The problem is mileena a and shinnok a factions are not represented well. The other sides have way more

Yeah or fights with cameo characters. In mk D jax, shang tsung, quan chi, kano and others weren't playable in the game but you could fight against them in konquest. Maybe you can fight against sindel and Baraka even though they won't be in.

redman

@redman

•03/07/2015 04:51 PM (UTC) •

Eldergod1 Wrote:

redman Wrote:

Eldergod1 Wrote:
Wow so much hate for the roster.

Did you get banned again? lol you can't keep making accounts after you get banned you have to wait

What are you talking about? Im new here never been here before.

lol okay, sure dude. Convenient that you decided to edit your signature saying "MAINS: FUJIN RAIDEN LIU KANG TAKEDA etc."

thisiscourage

@thisiscourage

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•03/07/2015 04:53 PM (UTC) •

unleash_your_tounge Wrote:

LeoBrZ81 Wrote:
It seems a few people have already touched on this very important point: "Good Vs. Evil" makes for an uninspired story, no matter how gimmicky or action-oriented it is. Most MK fans at this point can safely be assumed to not be children looking for a Saturday morning cartoon. Especially nowadays, we realize that a strong narrative comes from gray areas, blurred lines; conflicting causes and morals and goals, not necessarily "I'm bad, you're good, let's kill each other!"

Ugh. Will you marry me?

As Irving Rosenfeld once, so adequately put:

"That's the way the world works. Not black and white. Like you were saying, extremely grey."

The inclusion of Kotal and his band of minions takes care of the gray area for you.

still doesn't explain the apparent lack of representation from the evil side.

There are 5 groups in this game:

Special forces: self explanatory

Neutral good: Kotal and his minions

Neutral bad: only mileena

Evil: shinnok and quan

Nuetral: scorp and subby

Eldergod1

@Eldergod1

•03/07/2015 04:53 PM (UTC) •

Randwulf Wrote:

Eldergod1 Wrote:
Wow so much hate for the roster.

Cassie is kinda a clone but she has a good personality and it seems story will be interesting with her. I have to admit though her moves are limted and they arent all that great. Takeda we havent seen yet so i cant say whether hes a ripoff of kenshi but from the little we saw he has a different persona and different moves with the whip things. Kung jin isnt close to kung lao at all far as combat goes so he isnt a rip off. Jaqui probably will be kinda a ripoff but we will see .

Eldergod1

@Eldergod1

•03/07/2015 04:54 PM (UTC) •

redman Wrote:

Eldergod1 Wrote:

redman Wrote:

Eldergod1 Wrote:
Wow so much hate for the roster.

Did you get banned again? lol you can't keep making accounts after you get banned you have to wait

What are you talking about? Im new here never been here before.

lol okay, sure dude. Convenient that you decided to edit your signature saying "MAINS: FUJIN RAIDEN LIU KANG TAKEDA etc."

I like those characters. Is it against the forum rules to be fans of them or something?

BADASS6669

@BADASS6669

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I kill people for a living. Get over it.

•03/07/2015 04:55 PM (UTC) •

I think Kitana and Kung Lao would actually sell better as DLC then anybody else except.

Shao Kahn & Shang Tsung

Randwulf

@Randwulf

•03/07/2015 04:56 PM (UTC) •

Azraelthelastangel Wrote:
and it forces the inclusion of some of the more tired original characters that could have and should have taken a time out for this game (do we really need all of jax, sonya, johnny cage? plus there very similar in theme kids?) .

thisiscourage

@thisiscourage

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•03/07/2015 05:09 PM (UTC) •

I compiled the list. Let's assume that the revenants come back as evil. That would at least bolster the evil sides ranks. However mileena is still alone, so she must side with quan chi who gives her the amulet.

Check it out: sorry it's not clean, I am working from my phone.

1 Scorpion. Nuetral
2 Subzero. Nuetral
3 Reptile. outworld good
4 Ermac. Outworld good
5 Kitana. Evil
6 Mileena. outworld evil
7 Kung Lao. Evil
8 Sonya. S.f.
9 J. Cage. S.f
10 Jax. S.f
11 Quan Chi. Evil
12 Kenshi. S.f./good
13 Raiden. S.f. /good
14 Kano. Wildcard
15 Shinnok. Evil
16 Kotal Kahn. Outworld good
17 Ferra/Torr. Outworld good
18 D'Vorah. Outworld good
19 Takeda. S.f.
20 Jacqueline. S.f
21 Cassie Cage. S.f.
22 Kung Jin. S.f.
23 Erron Black/Salazar. Outworld good
24 Liu Kang. Evil

Final count:

2 Nuetral
5 evil
6 Outworld good
9 s.f. / good
1 Outworld evil
1 wildcard

~Nova

@~Nova

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•03/07/2015 05:24 PM (UTC) •

It's not an ideal roster for me, but I'm not too heartbroken over it. I think just a few tweaks could've made a world of difference.

Instead of: Jax, Liu Kang, and Kung Lao (even though I love how KL looks this time around)

Have: Fujin, Havik, and Reiko.

In addition: Li Mei, Bo Rai Cho, and Sareena/Tanya/Ashrah....something like that.

Otherwise though, for what it seems like they're going for, the roster makes sense to me and a lot of my favorites are returning and look better than ever. And it's the first time in many MK games I'm excited about *all* the newcomers.

unleash_your_tounge

@unleash_your_tounge

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•03/07/2015 06:00 PM (UTC) •

thisiscourage Wrote:
The inclusion of Kotal and his band of minions takes care of the gray area for you.

still doesn't explain the apparent lack of representation from the evil side.

There are 5 groups in this game:

Special forces: self explanatory

Neutral good: Kotal and his minions

Neutral bad: only mileena

Evil: shinnok and quan

Nuetral: scorp and subby

Oh I know. I agree on the fact that MKX is looking like it just might take us there, but everything prior to that, simply wasn't the case.

Like Ahnka said in another thread, that leads me to believe there's a chunk of info (including playable characters) we just simply don't know about yet. There is no way in hell they are going to leave Mileena as the stand-alone "evil/bad" antagonist. Unless she like, absorbs Shinnok's power from the talisman or something, transforming her into an [almost] completely different character. Putting in her in league with Onaga or Shao Kahn in terms of strength and power.

art_lean

@art_lean

•03/07/2015 06:43 PM (UTC) •

thisiscourage Wrote:
I compiled the list. Let's assume that the revenants come back as evil. That would at least bolster the evil sides ranks. However mileena is still alone, so she must side with quan chi who gives her the amulet.

Check it out: sorry it's not clean, I am working from my phone.

1 Scorpion. Nuetral
2 Subzero. Nuetral
3 Reptile. outworld good
4 Ermac. Outworld good
5 Kitana. Evil
6 Mileena. outworld evil
7 Kung Lao. Evil
8 Sonya. S.f.
9 J. Cage. S.f
10 Jax. S.f
11 Quan Chi. Evil
12 Kenshi. S.f./good
13 Raiden. S.f. /good
14 Kano. Wildcard
15 Shinnok. Evil
16 Kotal Kahn. Outworld good
17 Ferra/Torr. Outworld good
18 D'Vorah. Outworld good
19 Takeda. S.f.
20 Jacqueline. S.f
21 Cassie Cage. S.f.
22 Kung Jin. S.f.
23 Erron Black/Salazar. Outworld good
24 Liu Kang. Evil

Final count:

2 Nuetral
5 evil
6 Outworld good
9 s.f. / good
1 Outworld evil
1 wildcard

Kano is evil

art_lean

@art_lean

•03/07/2015 06:45 PM (UTC) •

BADASS6669 Wrote:
I think Kitana and Kung Lao would actually sell better as DLC then anybody else except.

Shao Kahn & Shang Tsung

Shang Tsung wasn't played as that much in MK9. He's hated by a lot for killing Liu Kang in MKDA

Gillbob316

@Gillbob316

•03/07/2015 07:23 PM (UTC) •

art_lean Wrote:

BADASS6669 Wrote:
I think Kitana and Kung Lao would actually sell better as DLC then anybody else except.

Shao Kahn & Shang Tsung

Shang Tsung wasn't played as that much in MK9. He's hated by a lot for killing Liu Kang in MKDA

... I have never seen anyone express hatred toward Shang Tsung for killing Liu Kang.

From what I have seen, the idea of the Deadly Alliance was generally praised as a good way to strengthen both characters, and the decision to off Liu Kang as the main protagonist to focus on other heroes was generally met favorably too.

Furthermore Shang Tsung has wanted to kill Liu Kang for the entirety of the series (they say as much when he does it), so it's not like it was out of character or anything.

Windice

@Windice

•03/07/2015 07:43 PM (UTC) •

Kano is actually on kotal side so he not evil as of now

redman

@redman

•03/07/2015 07:46 PM (UTC) •

Windice Wrote:
Kano is actually on kotal side so he not evil as of now

Just because he's on Kotal's side doesn't make him not evil. He's still an evil asshole.

Also Shang being played less in MK9 due to Liu Kang's death in MKDA makes no fucking sense at all lol. Idk where you get that logic

Windice

@Windice

•03/07/2015 07:51 PM (UTC) •

All we know of Kano is he likes to make money and want to kill the red dragons wich he can do if he sides with kotal and against mileena.

Gillbob316

@Gillbob316

•03/07/2015 07:54 PM (UTC) •

Since Kano has a knowledge of the Curse of the Kamidogu and/or seems to be retrieving one in the past in the prequel comic, I'm honestly guessing Kano and the Black Dragon are in on the master plot behind the plot. And working for whichever mysterious Big Bad is trying to acquire the Kamidogu/Amulet (which seems to be the master plot from all the hints we've seen)...

Probably not in any kind of mastermind capacity, just as more minions/army, as Kano often is. He's probably just playing at being neutral, until such time as the master plot is revealed, and we learn he's been supporting the real threat all along. Manipulating things toward the endgame.

Leo

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•03/07/2015 08:51 PM (UTC) •

ProfesserAhnka Wrote:

LeoBrZ81 Wrote:
You guys don't know the direction that the story is headed. You have some general idea given to you by the comics and that pretty uneventful Story Trailer, but it's not enough to support these wild assumptions that the roster is narratively faulty/uneven/too many this, too much that, too little everything...

It seems a few people have already touched on this very important point: "Good Vs. Evil" makes for an uninspired story, no matter how gimmicky or action-oriented it is. Most MK fans at this point can safely be assumed to not be children looking for a Saturday morning cartoon. Especially nowadays, we realize that a strong narrative comes from gray areas, blurred lines; conflicting causes and morals and goals, not necessarily "I'm bad, you're good, let's kill each other!"

I get the feeling that this is precisely the direction that MKX is headed, the notion that it is trying to explore. The Story seems to be, not surprisingly, a war of Factions; not necessarily trying to fight off an invasion or an evil emperor, but a conflict of interests between fighters whose decisions will shape the future, the "next generation". I'm sensing Kotal's Empire Vs. Mileena's Rebels Vs. Earthrealm's Special Forces Vs. The Netherrealm; that is a bounty of possibilities for fights and conflicts and new rivalries we probably wouldn't have expected. These factions may seek alignment here and there (like Kotal going after Sonya in the comics), but it is pretty obvious no one is on anyone else's side, but rather all are coming to a head as the fate of the realms is decided not by the opposition of a single threat, but by the decisions and actions of many powerful beings. It's Civil War everywhere (thus "Pick Your Side!", "Pick Your Faction!", "Next Generation of Fighters!"). The emphasis is right there, and has been, for you to conclude upon.

And it just so happens to be a juicy fat plus that your favorite character, her daughter, her baby daddy, her best friend and his daughter are all the headliners of the story, correct?

Yup. Definitely not mad at that. I mean, I don't much care for Jax, Cassie or Jacquie at the moment, but I have zero secrecy toward my elation for Sonya and Johnny. And if that, to you, invalidates every other point I've taken the time to make in this thread, then honestly you're just looking for excuses to seethe. Which is fine, that's what the thread is about, but we have no business quoting each other if that's the story.

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