This is, and always has been, my stance. In true MKO fashion, I always got dragged through the coals over it. And now with KP2 people realize how true it rings.

"Enough with the guest characters. It's too much and we should get either more originals or 3d era characters" - frabn
"SHUT UP FRABN. FUCK YOU. GUEST CHARACTERS 4 LYFE!" - most MKO users

Now with the announcement of KP2 look where we're at.

If MKO has finally gotten sick of this, then things must be going in a bad way. With everyone claiming now that we should've had more post-MK4 era characters, I can't help but firmly agree. This KP2 announcement was a major disappointment all around. I love Alien but the design of it was terrible (even if preliminary). Tri-borg is decent in concept, and despite what MKO users are saying, this is something A LOT of people wanted. Bo Rai Cho was a good addition. Leatherface...F that noise.

I think we can probably agree on this little chart below here.

[existing character] > [character that should replace it]

Goro's roster spot >>> Rain
Liu Kang >>> Reiko
Kung Lao >>> Havik
Kitana >>> Tanya
Jax >>> Frost
Kombat Kid >>> Sareena
Kombat Kid >>> Fujin

KP1:
Bo Rai Cho
Ashrah
Taven or Daegon
Goro

KP2:
Cyrax or Sektor
Nitara
Taven or Daegon
Revenant Shao Kahn


Dream rosters are redundant, but w/e.

Maybe...just maaaaaybeee, Classic Pit stage will come with Rain & Sindel?

There's no point in arguing with stupid, dude. People will stfu about it once they're released and take it in like a baby given its milk bottle, it's kinda adorable actually.

Well guys, guess I'm on board the disappointment train now, too. I'm not as deeply, achingly, penetratingly butthurt as a lot of people seem to be, but I did expect something very different from KP2 and this assortment just seems really... random.

I expected there to be one guest in this pack, even though I thought 2 was already an appropriate number to satisfy people who like them without going overboard. But still, one more guest was pretty much a sure thing. And if they were going to put in a guest, I think the Tarkatan Xenomorph idea was about the best they could have done. Everyone who wanted an AVP matchup gets their wish (and that was a lot of people) and the Alien gets a Mortal Kombat twist that both fits the character and fits the character into the universe. That was a clever move, and I think the end result is pretty beast. I can get on board with that.

I cannot get on board with Leatherface. As much as I think Mortal Kombat can use a chainsaw character... well, that's my only positive impression on this. I would have much rather taken another Story Mode character. The guest character saturation is officially Too Damn High. If they really, really wanted another horror reference, they could have brought back Drahmin or Nitara, both of whom I thought could be pretty cool if anybody gave them a chance. Or better still, Havik. Give Havik a goddamn chainsaw and watch him go. I would pay all my money to see that.

Triborg is mostly leaving me confused. I get the reasoning. Combining Sektor and Cyrax using the variation system makes too much sense. They've proven that characters' normals can change as much as the specials between variations, so at this point I'm not too concerned about them overlapping a lot of moves. I expect the Brutalities to be very specific to the different characters. And a new cyborg collecting and assimilating the skills of the old ones is a decent excuse for the character, in terms of story. But... Cyber Smoke does not exist in this timeline. How do they reconcile this for the story? Cyber Smoke never even had much in the way of an iconic moveset. Maybe the "Smoke" variation is Triborg's default setting, and "Sektor" and "Cyrax" are based on stolen tech? That's about the only way this character makes sense. I could get behind this character, maybe, but they're going to really have to do a good job selling it because it just seems like such an easy/lazy effort. Bringing Cyrax back from his mystery vacation or having Sektor just reactivate would have packed a lot more punch.

Bo' Rai Cho is the only one here that I would have asked for, and I am pretty excited about him. People seem to shit on him a lot ("What are his variations going to be? Burp, Fart, and Vomit?") but don't really seem to appreciate just how deep he actually is. He and Kenshi are the only post-MK3 returnees who really connect the series back to its martial arts roots. He is the Wise Eccentric Old Master/Drunken Boxer to Kenshi's Blind Samurai/Mystic Swordsman. These are the kinds of archetypes MK was founded on and can use more of, now that the series is so heavily influenced by horror and military archetypes. Bo can have a drunken fist, sumo, and staff style just like he had in MKDA, so these claims that he can't do anything but shit and vomit all over himself are completely unfounded. He is the shining star of this DLC pack that I'm afraid not many people will appreciate, even though he actually was very highly requested. Maybe not as much as Fujin, but not too far off. He might have been better received if the other characters in the pack had more appeal, so he didn't come off as one more disappointment in a long, miserable string of disappointments. He's so divisive that he doesn't work as the only face of Mortal Kombat in this pack.

In the end, I will still end up buying this because I always wanted Bo Rai Cho, and the Alien and Triborg are at least intriguing. I am not at all sold on Leatherface but I'll put up with him, just as I did with Freddy and Jason and Predator, because the guests can still be fun to play around with even if they don't belong. I really wish they'd given his spot to an MK character though, if for no other reason than to avoid inciting riots among the fanbase. Triborg just feels like they're trying too hard and not hard enough at the same time, but we will see. I was actually pretty impressed with how they fleshed out Tremor from just a shadow of source material to work with, so maybe Triborg will be surprisingly good.

Fujin, Bo Rai Cho, Rain, a returning cyborg, and then maybe the Tarkatan Xenomorph -- that would have made a much more appealing KP2.

Boon really twisting the knife.

One player tweeted that he was heartbroken that Sindel isn't KP2 and Boon's repsonse?

Boon:" We hear ya...wish we could give everyone their favorites. :'("

Yeah maybe if you got rid of the two waste of space guests. I actually tweeted that too him. Doubt I'll get a response.

I'll admit I WAS disappointed at first, at the same reasons that everyone else is...Alien and Leatherface being in. I was like "2 more guests, really?"..but, for some reason I looked back at the group and noticed its variety in just being total badass on how misfit it was. It DID catch me off guard, and that's what I love. I didn't want Sindel, Rain, or Baraka in, because judging from their Story counterparts, its nothing impressive..very boring actually.. but I'm always welcome to new faces to the Kombat franchise and playing as a Redneck Chainsaw wielding dude that wears peoples faces is straight up brutal...the Tri-borg dude could be this headstrong, slow, Terminator like force (I smell MK heading a futuristic route with more robots and Aliens).

I'll guarantee that NRS won't make 4 guests again after the backlash.

I've made my peace with this.

I'm doing what little I can do as an individual consumer. I've stated my position on Twitter to Ed Boon and Netherrealm (joining a rather large chorus of others), and I will not be buying it.

Those are the only ways I can constructively show my dissatisfaction.

But this experience, in conjunction with how they handled the whole marketing of MKX pre-release, has soured my palette for future NRS titles. I'll always be an MK fan at heart, but things have got to change. Whatever model they followed or whatever aim they had with the MKX title has missed the mark with a lot of people.

It's puzzling. They weren't nearly as hush-hush with MK9 and Injustice, and they actually listened to fan requests for characters like Rain, Martian Manhunter, and Zatanna....and seemed to prosper for it! So what made them ("them" being NRS and/or WB, whichever entity has the most say in these things) decide to do the complete opposite of the two previously successful campaigns? Seriously, I want to know. o_o

Maybe if you followed up on Story Pack that you just threw out for people to grasp onto instead of this crap.

Story Pack would have been better than what they expect us to buy. He teased us for months about a story pack and then screws us over.

I've been saying this since Freddy was revealed. They have their own horror movie monster creation and they don't even utilize him.

I wish Drahmin could make a comeback to the series, but its looking pretty bleak for him tbh, I think Boon hates him :/

But that would mean giving the boot to a guest character. God forbid, we can't not have more guest characters in Mortal Kombat because that's what people like most apparently about Mortal Kombat; other franchise staples, said Ed Boon and WB with dollar signs in their eyes.

I actually got a response a while back from Vogel about Drahmin. They hate him because he was a nightmare to animate.

I wonder what made him so hard compared to somebody like Slasher Jason? Idk if anyone has noticed but they made it so Jason gets mirrored in certain instances when the Machete needs to be in the other hand, idk why they couldn't just do that with Drahmin and his club. Unless its the flies they are referring to, but idk about everybody else but those could be removed all together and I wouldn't care one bit lol

I would like to say I'm disappointed but it was expected, this is just the next logical step in NRS /WB direction regarding the franchise.

What never ceases to amaze me though is the one or two users who have some much trouble dealing with others opinions and have this obsessive need to have everyone and their dog agree with them.

It's absolutely pathetic how far in denial these people are, that in other to protect their precious feelings for a game, they systematically target and insult everyone whose opinion they don't like, whining constantly about them while trying to maintain an air of superiority, and then have the audacity to call out others for bitching, hypocritical to the very core.

If they are so tired of the majority of this board (and the super meany evul fanbase) for expressing their dissatisfaction towards NRS decisions, they would actually ignore these kinds of threads altogether, but that would actually require self-awareness and emotional maturity.

So here's another opinion you'll have to protect your feelings from:

This game's roster choices and character implementation has been a complete and utter mess, to the point it actually dropped the game's quality and experience as a whole, this might be a decent game from a technical side as a competitive fighter but everything else: music, stages, story, online exp, DLC and the roster has been disappointing in one way or another, mainly as a result of trying to cater to the lowest common denominator, as a MK game MK9 was much better.

Spend all your energy trying to perform damage control for NRS questionable choices, its pointless, people disagreeing with you is factual, no amount of wining is going to change that fact, so good luck trying to police their opinions.

Drahmin is apparently lop-sided and his club was one of the main issues.

I would just like to thank everyone who voiced their dissatisfaction on Twitter for keeping our voice heard. I'm not on Twitter but glad to hear that the backlash is real.

I did not buy MKX to play fucking Leatherface, alien, predator, or Jason vorhees.

That's an entire kombat pack of character slots wasted.

To be quite honest, not really excited for the Kombat Pack. I would have preferred a different direction with more Mortal Kombat characters. I will wait to see what else that is going to be in the Kombat Pack. I am not angry just very apathethic. It just does not appeal to me right now.

I have no problem with Bo Rai Cho being in, it is just the rest that are the problem. I hope Tri-borg is not canon. It does not make sense in my opinion.

I do not watch movies so really can not relate to the guest characters. Not very good although I assume people will buy the Kombat Pack just for the Xenomorph alone judging from Youtube and web-site comments.

Guys whew. still bitter but I would like to just come up for a moment and speak to all those asking about story and how Cyber Smoke can even be a thing.

Let's not forget the roster has zero to do with the canon/story.

Scorpion is human - Yet outside of the story he is still a hell fire imbued revenant.

Liu Kang is a hell bound revenant - Outside of the story he's alive and well.

Kitana, revenant - Outside of story, not dead and is just an annoying snit.

Kung Lao, revenant - Outside of story a humble aged warrior monk

Goro has no arms and is an exile - In the roster boy is still swinging with all four fists and heck even in his ending is still leading his people.


Story means nothing to the roster so Cyber Smoke can exists. Especially with this stupid Trigor because I'm just going to assume he's none canon.

Did they say to you that there was a particular reason as to why the club was an issue or just stated that?

Just stated that.

With motion capture everything is possible ad easier to animate.

Drahmin is not there for two reasons.
1) he wasn't well received in Mk Da, alongside every other new character except Kenshi, Bo' Rai Cho and Li Mei.
2) he needs extra work than humanoid characters. Moloch ad Motaro say hi.

It would certainly seem like my post went missing, but the idea for the 3-1 cyborg was thought of by a fan. And if I remember correctly, taking ideas from fans is against their little contracts. I specifically remember them saying that.

There's a member on this forum who thought that whole idea up and pitched it in forum posts and on Twitter and on other boards. That member could essentially sue NRS.

Just saying.

Tons of people had that idea. It's not all that original to begin with. He'd have a case of they copied a design and name but the concept of the Triborg? Doubt it. That's like saying MK needs a Sumo Wrestler then suing if there's one in the next game.

Teased us for months? He posted one thing about it months ago. Someone asked for Baraka, Sindel and Rain... he said "like a story pack?". It was the first and last thing he said about it.

It's the fans that couldn't stop talking about it.