Doesn't ANYONE wanna agree with me about Liu koming back NOT as a zombie and NOT as a god!?

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD I'M STILL STICKING TO LIU KOMING BACK WITH A VENGEANCE ON RAIDEN! KOME BACK AS A SCARRED VENGEFUL MERCILESS MONK!

Zombie or not, I will be very glad if he is in MKX but keep the hood off him. If anyone should get a hood it should be Shang Tsung, as he should have total control of the Shadow Priest order now that Shao Kahn is gone. I assume he will be resurrected.

Yeah man, Shang Tsung would be awesome with a hood! Liu Kang, I'm still gonna say no.

Plain old Liu > God Liu > Liu Kano(Liu's spirit in someone else's body) > Zombie Liu > Hooded Liu > Evil Liu.

A hooded character is usually either mysterious, sinister, or angsty (the hoodie type). Liu Kang is none of these, and even if he is an angrier character, it's pretty justified. He's not just some punk emo like in Legacy who abandoned all of humanity because one group of guys killed his girlfriend. If he's mad at the Gods, it makes sense because the Elder Gods collectively chose to let Earthrealm get invaded and thousands of innocent people die, and no God seemed to do anything to stop him.

Although to be fair, Raiden's last idea did work. I could see Liu taking that as a "you got lucky once" sort of deal, as none of Raiden's other plans worked out. It would still make sense for him to be anti-Raiden. No hood though. No hood.

Is anyone still expecting Shang Tsung to make a badass entrance midway in the game and screw Quan Chi's plans with a DA-esque attire with a hood?

I think in this new continuity Liu's death creates more story than his life. Keep him dead. He can serve as a reminder that gods can fail too.

If he must return, he doesnt need to be hooded and emo and angry. Far too trite. Let him show his scars proudly and maintain his calm, resolute nature. He should follow his own path to victory though, washing his hands of the gods. Perhaps make him similar to the current version of Cyclops in Marvel. I could see that being interesting.

Mark my words; Liu Kang will be in this game and will most certainly be evil, want revenge on Raiden for his untimely death and will have been resurrected, probably by Quan Chi or Shinnok.

Liu Kang is among my favourite characters and I'm quite excited to see where NR will take him after his shocking (har) death in MK 2011.

among this "darker/hooded/scarred" talk, I kinda agree that his persona should go that route, but not a full-blown heel turn ala Legacy II. MK is full enough as it is with brooding anti-heroes, which is one of the reasons why I love Liu: he's the noble bright light in a sea of darkness.

I know many see Captain America/Superman-like personas "lame" and "boring", but to me, the universe, whether it be MK or some other, needs that brave, hopeful, never give-up soul when all else is lost.

I understand the criticisms of Liu not really evolving over the years, but I just hope many will take the above into account. I do see the appeal of a white knight falling into despair, if only that knight will learn something about himself that will stick with him for the rest of his life.

There are more than the options of good, bad, and neutral. I'd love to see these explored.

Liu can continue to be a positive force for Earthrealm. However, he can do so without Raiden or the gods. He can trust his own instincts and be a more pragmatic, realist-type evolution of the character. Perhaps more militant, always assessing the risk of and preventing loss of Earthrealm life. Perhaps he could even work with the OIA, monitoring threats without the need for gods.

I do not care to see a vengeful, angsty Liu. That is selfish and short sighted, not to mention trite. He doesnt have to just be another rubberband cliche, bouncing into the extreme opposite of what he was. There are other things that could be done with his character, should he survive.

Well the thing is, given what he experienced in MK9, it wouldn't make sense for Liu to protect Earthrealm and NOT consider Raiden one of the primary dangers. The dude scarred his entire body/killed him, kinda unlikely to just ignore that. He has to actively fight or oppose Raiden not just "save the world without him", they've got to come into conflict with one another.
And NRS is, historically speaking, not subtle when they tell rivalry/enemies clashing stories. Somebody always ends up looking like "the good guy" and "the bad guy".

If Liu won't return with the hood like in Legacy, at least keep the scars.

As for his variations:

1 - Dragon Fire
2 - Shaolin
3 - Merciless

True story. NRS would likely make Liu almost defined by his hate towards Raiden, unfortunately. Even if Liu isnt actively seeking direct revenge, I can see everything about his personality being altered by what Raiden did. In my opinion, that would really cheapen Liu's character and make it seem like all of his ideals and "good-guyness" were dependant on Raiden. I'd like to see Liu of all characters be a bigger person than one just seeking petty revenge. We have Scorpion for that. However this is one thing I dont expect NRS to surprise me with.

I wouldn't say Liu Kang would be completely evil if he gets confirmed. I can still picture him, trying to take matters in his own hands to stop Shinnok's invasion as a lone anti-hero without Raiden's help. The problem is how to present him in this light without making him into a "whiny Anakin Skywalker" archetype.

really, it depends on what kind of story NRS wants to tell. So far they seem to be going for something... comic book-y. I wouldn't hold my breath for something Oscar worthy.

As if MK ever was in the Oscar worthy category.

If the story really is comic-booky then there is plenty of room for interesting characters and complex plot. However the story has long been more like a Saturday morning cartoon. With fatalities.

The Oscars are a joke.

I'm inclined to agree. A show run by rich snobs that gives awards to pretentious dramas about mundane human life. I can't recall ever seeing a comedy, action/adventure, sci-fi, or fantasy film win Best Picture except LotR: Return of the King and that's the slowest, sappiest of the three.

The point was not about validity of Oscar. Your CO.

Why am I picturing Liu Kang looking like this?

Umm...no! We do not need Liu Kang joining the pointless OIA at all. That would seriously ruin him.
He needs to exterminate Raiden at all costs!

At all costs? Really? Wasnt that exactly what Raiden was willing to do? That would be immediately ironic in the worst possible way.

No.I dont want Liu becoming Scorpion. Just leave him dead, if that's NRS' only alternative.

There is no OIA.

That was a Jax creation and Jax died before he could.

As if they couldn't retcon that, and make it Sonya's or someone else's creation. Didn't they retcon Mileena's whole origin, among other things?

Well let me put it this way:

Cassie Cage has a logo on her shoulder. It's the U.S. Army's.



If Sonya's own daughter isn't OIA...then what are the odds there IS an OIA?

Also, the thing that made the OIA possible is they had a machine that could make portals, so they could spy on Outworld and see if they were becoming a threat again. They had that machine because Jax built it.

Sonya doesn't know how to build stuff, and MK9 certainly didn't change that.
In fact, given that Sonya married Johnny and gets pregnant shortly after MK9, how do you know she didn't retire from the military? Her arcade ending depicted her leaving the military to hunt remaining Outworld invaders on her own.

They didn't make it obvious that she could do it, but it's not like they stated that she can't. JUst like i said, they changed Mileena into a brainless child + changed her backstory, just like they can have Sonya be highly skilled in technology or whatever.




Says who?

However, i admit the Cassie Cage working for the police force is a valid point for there -likely- not being a OIA. But still, Sonya's a SF agent, yet Cassie decided to be a cop, so it's not like she decided to be exactly like her mother, or father.

Army, dude.

That's my point. She IS military, she went into the exact same branch as her mother did. (The Special Forces is a real world branch of the Army, they're also known as the Green Berets.)