razz2d2 Wrote:
What about DA's 'Liu Kano'?
What about DA's 'Liu Kano'?
That was too good to become canon.
I have a hunch, Liu will be based around his appearance in MKL2, for better or worse. Maybe he will not be wearing the HOOD, but in terms of character portrayal and general idea, it's possibly he will be influenced by it.
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Depicting him as permanently affected by the events of MK9 would not only give more lasting meaning to the some of the meaningless plot devices and stupid moments written into MK9, but would also perhaps make it easier for them to stomach writing a story that treats him like a villain and give him karmic retribution for all the fucked up things he said and did in MK9.
What in the fucking world? Oh, I get it. You want revenge for you precious little headcanon, so you'd like to twist Raiden into full villain. It is as stupid as making Liu Kang a zombie. But this is another prove that people need to treat their ideas with less seriousness. Depicting him as permanently affected by the events of MK9 would not only give more lasting meaning to the some of the meaningless plot devices and stupid moments written into MK9, but would also perhaps make it easier for them to stomach writing a story that treats him like a villain and give him karmic retribution for all the fucked up things he said and did in MK9.
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
But I don't want to see it if they're going to paint Liu Kang as the bad guy and Raiden as the good guy because that would feel dishonest to me, like NRS artificially engineering the situation
Your rage is hilarious. Go on. But I don't want to see it if they're going to paint Liu Kang as the bad guy and Raiden as the good guy because that would feel dishonest to me, like NRS artificially engineering the situation
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Buuut I bet there's no way in Hell that's going to happen, I bet NRS doesn't believe Raiden did anything truly villainous, or that he deserves to be called the "God of Blunder" or that they've ruined the character's reputation in the eyes of the fans. He's gonna keep on wearing white and being the protector of Earth like nothing's wrong because that's the story they wanted to tell and they don't much care if the audience read a different message than what they intended from the end product. I could be wrong about that, maybe I'm just being bitter and cynical...but that's my prediction.
You just being pissed of little fanboy who can't live with the fact that NRS changed things around. That's what you are. The way you talk about characters is quite telling about your desposition. And no, Raiden didn't do anything worng. He was in desperate situation, doing desperate measure. I too want to see consequences of MK9 storyline and seems MKX will be about them. But turning Raiden into villain and all this "karma retribution bullshit"...that's just stuuupid. For him, his failure is punishment enough. Buuut I bet there's no way in Hell that's going to happen, I bet NRS doesn't believe Raiden did anything truly villainous, or that he deserves to be called the "God of Blunder" or that they've ruined the character's reputation in the eyes of the fans. He's gonna keep on wearing white and being the protector of Earth like nothing's wrong because that's the story they wanted to tell and they don't much care if the audience read a different message than what they intended from the end product. I could be wrong about that, maybe I'm just being bitter and cynical...but that's my prediction.
Immortal_Kanji •08/04/2014 04:30 PM (UTC) •
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Sounds like it. From the way Boon was talking Liu Kang has been alive & aging. That would mean he's probably covered in burns and pissed off to boot.
Immortal_Kanji Wrote:
With the news about Liu Kang returning, perhaps this will happen!
With the news about Liu Kang returning, perhaps this will happen!
Sounds like it. From the way Boon was talking Liu Kang has been alive & aging. That would mean he's probably covered in burns and pissed off to boot.
How about scars added too? Perhaps a scarred eye in mind.
He can still wear that headband under that hood.
What of his fatalities? He won't be his peaceful monkie self for a while. But with a killing streak.
thisiscourage •08/04/2014 04:39 PM (UTC) •
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I would really dig this idea. If lui comes back like nothing happened I will be beyond pissed. On top of it all I have never liked Lui's character. Just WAYY too good guy righteous. Hopefully now he is a little darker and less.. Annoying.
Immortal_Kanji •08/04/2014 08:14 PM (UTC) •
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How about for the three styles Liu will gain...
- Dragon Fire: Fire Attacks
- Shaolin Fist: Shaolin Techniques
- Dragon Fire: Fire Attacks
- Shaolin Fist: Shaolin Techniques
Immortal_Kanji •08/04/2014 09:38 PM (UTC) •
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Immortal_Kanji Wrote:
How about for the three styles Liu will gain...
- Dragon Fire: Fire Attacks
- Shaolin Fist: Shaolin Techniques
How about for the three styles Liu will gain...
- Dragon Fire: Fire Attacks
- Shaolin Fist: Shaolin Techniques
Okay so instead of having that name for a third variation.
What will be his third variation then? It's gotta be something that makes him release all of his fury and brutality at his enemies.
After all, he's pissed at Raiden for the death of his friends and allies. He lost faith in the Elder gods after all.
Immortal_Kanji •08/11/2014 05:31 PM (UTC) •
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If Liu does come back, I don't necessarily need him hooded, but I would want him to be covered in Lichtenberg Figures (scars left by being struck by lightning). I think that would definitely look sick as hell.
If Liu does come back, I don't necessarily need him hooded, but I would want him to be covered in Lichtenberg Figures (scars left by being struck by lightning). I think that would definitely look sick as hell.
Those scars can work. Though I like the hood. In fact, in that costume, Liu's hood would be knocked off revealing his face.
Anyways, about his variations and that Kano revealed himself:
- Dragon Fire - fire attacks
- Shaolin - shaolin moves
What would be the perfect third variation for him? Something that represents him like... furious and angry. Something that reveals that he's not holding back as a shaolin but as a brutal fighter?
Immortal_Kanji •08/11/2014 08:10 PM (UTC) •
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What of Onaga? If he returned somehow, could he possess Liu's body while Liu's soul is still inside unconscious?
MKfan99 •08/11/2014 09:11 PM (UTC) •
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Not to be Mr. Complainey... but... Having Liu Kang die and come back to life... and then die and come back to life... is pretty repetitive and un creative... it would be like them killing Johnny Cage again in MK X, and then bringing him back to life in MKXI...
IF he is infact brought back though, I like the idea of him being a fire god.. I think the look from MK Mythologies for the fire god would fit him.
IF he is infact brought back though, I like the idea of him being a fire god.. I think the look from MK Mythologies for the fire god would fit him.
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they could make his story work but they have to give him a strong philosophy that wont make him seem like a mindless demonic villain but ruthless fallen angel who is trying to protect earth realm....just with more extreme measures.
it could work for an example like zod in man of steel....he wasn't just crazy evil......he had a GREAT fucking reason he was doing shit. just turned out to be destructive.
it could work for an example like zod in man of steel....he wasn't just crazy evil......he had a GREAT fucking reason he was doing shit. just turned out to be destructive.
Honestly, I'd rather Liu sit out this game... but, I doubt that'll happen. I definitely picture some friction going on between him and Raiden story-wise, but if he becomes the big, bad boss... Meh.
But, we've yet to know. I should probably remain more open-minded.
But, we've yet to know. I should probably remain more open-minded.
Immortal_Kanji •10/03/2014 12:32 AM (UTC) •
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Since Liu appeared on the list of bosses, perhaps there's a chance for Liu to appear, but neutral.
Wonder if they can advance his moves and give him new ones that are brutal.
From the variations
- Dragon FIre
- Shaolin
- Merciless
Wonder if they can advance his moves and give him new ones that are brutal.
From the variations
- Dragon FIre
- Shaolin
- Merciless
Cordova21 •10/03/2014 04:02 AM (UTC) •
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I really hope that he is a bad ass for MKX.
The fire god ending would be amazing. My only hope if that happens is for Kang to come back to the good side though.
The fire god ending would be amazing. My only hope if that happens is for Kang to come back to the good side though.
Immortal_Kanji •10/07/2014 01:02 PM (UTC) •
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If Shinnok gets involved with Liu, he should take advantage of Liu's emotions and create a hatred for Raiden within him. With that, Liu blames the thunder god for losing Kitana and friends.
I wonder if Liu will have a care for Cassie since she's the daughter of his two friendss Sonya and Johnny.
I wonder if Liu will have a care for Cassie since she's the daughter of his two friendss Sonya and Johnny.
mkwhopper •10/07/2014 05:26 PM (UTC) •
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Watch Liu look similar to his MKL appearance
annilation •10/07/2014 05:33 PM (UTC) •
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
I'm of the opinion that he should just stay dead. Given the theme of MKX, we need more focus on new characters as well as post-MK3 characters.
I'm of the opinion that he should just stay dead. Given the theme of MKX, we need more focus on new characters as well as post-MK3 characters.
If sub-zero died forever you'd lose your mind. He shouldn't be shown the door and that's a terrible way to be knocked out of the series. I just think he's needs a better plot device.
SpookyScorpion •10/07/2014 10:53 PM (UTC) •
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this franchise doesn't need edgy grimdark tryhard Kevin Tancharoen tier crap
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thisiscourage Wrote:
I would really dig this idea. If lui comes back like nothing happened I will be beyond pissed. On top of it all I have never liked Lui's character. Just WAYY too good guy righteous. Hopefully now he is a little darker and less.. Annoying.
I would really dig this idea. If lui comes back like nothing happened I will be beyond pissed. On top of it all I have never liked Lui's character. Just WAYY too good guy righteous. Hopefully now he is a little darker and less.. Annoying.
Yet Reptile being Shang Tsung's, Shao Kahn's, Shinnok's, Quan Chi's, and Onaga's mindless little bitch is awesome and not annoying? l0l.
Immortal_Kanji •10/08/2014 02:52 AM (UTC) •
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Liu deserves more use and besides making him a hero, turn him into something balanced.
No sides but still caring.
No sides but still caring.
Immortal_Kanji •10/08/2014 02:54 AM (UTC) •
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
He wasn't out cold, dude. He was dead.
Not that he can't come back. It's MK, resurrections happen. He could even still have the scars. But what you saw was a corpse. We've been over that part before.
He wasn't out cold, dude. He was dead.
Not that he can't come back. It's MK, resurrections happen. He could even still have the scars. But what you saw was a corpse. We've been over that part before.
YOU RAZOR ARE OF NO ENCOURAGEMENT!
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
To be fair, what was best about the original, heroic Liu Kang, the things that made him an interesting character for people who enjoy optimistic, hopeful/inspirational role model-type heroes, like Superman or Captain America, actually doesn't exist in MK9's universe. (And there ARE people in the world who want stories about that kind of hero, as you can see from all the people who complain on the net about stuff like that Godzilla was a better hero who destroyed less of the city in his movie than Supes did in Man of Steel)
At no point in Story Mode is he the Cartwheel-Uppercut guy who refuses to succumb to Shang's corrupt rules and kill people in the tournament. They gave that to Johnny Cage instead, while Liu gave him a dirty look about it for some bizarre reason, as if he has the opposite personality now.
And never in MK2 is he conflicted about giving up his No-Killing-Rule to avenge his slaughtered temple, they severely marginalized the importance of the Shaolin being attacked and made that scene all about Sonya being kidnapped instead. It's like Liu and Kung weren't even mad!
Not to mention He and Kitana have only two very short scenes together, they transferred the "conspires with her during MK2" role to Raiden.
He doesn't really do ANYTHING in MK9 except defeat bosses when they need to be defeated as lip service to the fact that the previous games SAY he's the only one who can, without ever getting into WHY he's the only one who can.
So he's more like a briefly seen plot device than a character in terms of role and development, they reduced his entire personality down to "typical blind-faith religious nut, totally devoted to Raiden and does whatever he says until Raiden's ideas do more harm than good, which shatters his faith and turns him into the equivalent of an angsty rebellious teen who just discovered Atheism to get back at his parents for forcing church down his throat."
Liu was the archetypal hero who stood out in contrast to the darkness of the rest of the characters, and that strength-of-character is why he was the main good guy. Now he's just another fighter in a cynical world, which means he doesn't really matter, you don't need him because he doesn't do anything someone else can't do. I mean it's not like he's the only guy who devoted himself to protecting Earthrealm and died for it, and he's far from the only guy who has a good reason to want to see Raiden lose his job for being a massive fuckup either.
To be fair, what was best about the original, heroic Liu Kang, the things that made him an interesting character for people who enjoy optimistic, hopeful/inspirational role model-type heroes, like Superman or Captain America, actually doesn't exist in MK9's universe. (And there ARE people in the world who want stories about that kind of hero, as you can see from all the people who complain on the net about stuff like that Godzilla was a better hero who destroyed less of the city in his movie than Supes did in Man of Steel)
At no point in Story Mode is he the Cartwheel-Uppercut guy who refuses to succumb to Shang's corrupt rules and kill people in the tournament. They gave that to Johnny Cage instead, while Liu gave him a dirty look about it for some bizarre reason, as if he has the opposite personality now.
And never in MK2 is he conflicted about giving up his No-Killing-Rule to avenge his slaughtered temple, they severely marginalized the importance of the Shaolin being attacked and made that scene all about Sonya being kidnapped instead. It's like Liu and Kung weren't even mad!
Not to mention He and Kitana have only two very short scenes together, they transferred the "conspires with her during MK2" role to Raiden.
He doesn't really do ANYTHING in MK9 except defeat bosses when they need to be defeated as lip service to the fact that the previous games SAY he's the only one who can, without ever getting into WHY he's the only one who can.
So he's more like a briefly seen plot device than a character in terms of role and development, they reduced his entire personality down to "typical blind-faith religious nut, totally devoted to Raiden and does whatever he says until Raiden's ideas do more harm than good, which shatters his faith and turns him into the equivalent of an angsty rebellious teen who just discovered Atheism to get back at his parents for forcing church down his throat."
Liu was the archetypal hero who stood out in contrast to the darkness of the rest of the characters, and that strength-of-character is why he was the main good guy. Now he's just another fighter in a cynical world, which means he doesn't really matter, you don't need him because he doesn't do anything someone else can't do. I mean it's not like he's the only guy who devoted himself to protecting Earthrealm and died for it, and he's far from the only guy who has a good reason to want to see Raiden lose his job for being a massive fuckup either.
This was one of the reasons why Liu Kang was one of my favorites, I'm glad you mentioned this because I started to think I was the only one who saw Liu Kang in that light. I also didn't like how Kung Lao was changed over the years as having some sort of sibling rivalry with Liu Kang, it's out of character and a shaolin monk is supposed to suppress feelings of inferiority, pride, and jealousy. In MK2 I always felt like it was Kung Lao who kept Liu Kang in check with his shaolin beliefs even though he felt that Liu Kang's actions brought death and chaos on the shaolin temples.
In MKX, I think it would be best that if Liu Kang didn't return and that his death stands as a martyr for one of Raiden's greatest failures.
RazorsEdge701 •10/11/2014 01:37 PM (UTC) •
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In MK2 I always felt like it was Kung Lao who kept Liu Kang in check with his shaolin beliefs even though he felt that Liu Kang's actions brought death and chaos on the shaolin temples.
In MK2 I always felt like it was Kung Lao who kept Liu Kang in check with his shaolin beliefs even though he felt that Liu Kang's actions brought death and chaos on the shaolin temples.
I dunno about that. Even before Shaolin Monks, Kung Lao was always "the dark one", he came across as the guy more willing to kill with his deadly bladed weapon-hat and his hardcore finishing moves, plus he does kill or at least try to kill Baraka in MK3 (hence the staples in Gold).
The whole point of his "I retired and became a pacifist" story at the end of MK3/during MK4 was to show that he had CHANGED his ways, he wasn't always a good, peaceful monk.
Honestly, I thought zombie Liu Kang was pretty fucking badass. Those fucking chain/hooks? Man, I loved those even though they were just part of his attire and not actually used in the gameplay. Could honestly say I would like to see zombie Liu return. Although it's a slim chance.
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