Boon is back to saying there is a "sea of subzeros" at the Brazil Game Show Interview.

I think he really wants to keep this plot line undercover.

Why on earth would you take a perfect character (Noob Saibot) and destroy it again to turn it into boring old sub-zero again? That doesn't make ANY sense to me.

If that is true it will be boring like always.

Two sub-zero's running around, and IF good sub-zero becomes Noob Saibot, that is one useless storyline to tell, nothing good would come from that.

Well earlier in this thread we speculated on a parrallax theory in which Bi Han would be essentially split into two sides of physical personified consciences by the soulnado: one remaining Noob and the other returning as Sub-Zero.
which I think would be pretty interesting.

Anything that holds 2 different Sub-Zero's is boring.

I can handle Noob + Sub-Zero, but two clone sub-zero's like in MK Trilogy, no thank you.

Scorpion in the old timeline was tossed into the Soulnado too by both Moloch and Drahmin and came back in Deception as the Elder God's champion. So what if, when Noob Saibot was tossed into the Soulnado his physical form and soul was torn apart by the Soulnado and manifested itself into the heavens.

What if the Elder Gods purified Noob Saibot's soul knowing the full threat of Shinnok as he waged his war on the heavens and restored Bi-Han as a champion for them to take on both Quan Chi and Shinnok because he is the single warrior who had confronted both of them before in the past and lived to tell about it, well... kind of.

I can see this angle bring back Bi-Han as Sub-Zero, I think Bi-Han is a neutral anti-hero character, but knowing that his brother is deceased in the Netherealm and is suffering the same fate as him, I believe Bi-Han would act in taking down Shinnok and Quan Chi and getting his brother back.

I also think it would be cool if both Sub-Zero and Scorpion, both sworn enemies in both life and death fued at first but as the story progresses reluctantly team up to take down Quan Chi for all the manipulation that he did. Both can realize that these two in their sworn vendetta against each other has ruined each other's lives and to redeem everything that has been done in the past, must work together to end the chaos.

Why would there be two sub-zeros?

Would Bi Han even care about his brother? I get the vibe that, no not really he'll care if he's the same ole' mean face.

Maybe Bi-Han will be Sub-Zero again once just to save his brother and to redeem himself and Scorpion.

Wonder if he'll become Noob Saibot again after he saved Kuai Liang just to sacrifice himself. Just so that Kuai returns as Sub-Zero again.

Too much of a rollercoaster.
People definitely will have trouble to keep up which Sub-Zero is which and which one is the currently active. Better to keep one of them as Sub permanently, at least for this game.

I assume Bi Han did care about his brother but since he was reborn into Noob Saibot, he lost all qualities that made him human as pride, compassion, etc.
Well that's what I got from his Deception ending anyway.

Well Regardless if you go with the Demon possessing Bi han or Bi Han's dark side, Bi Han's good/light side is buried when he "became" Noob Saibot.


Bi Han did have a good side, but even the best days, Bi han is a pure anti hero, his little brother did move from an anti hero to a strong hero. I don't see Bi Han becoming a strong dedicated hero but more of the Good is not Nice type of Anti Hero.

Even if Bi-Han does become Champion of the Elder Gods, what happens to Scorpion? Does he just stay undead? 'Cause getting tossed into a Soulnado deliberately and becoming Champion was the only legitimate way for Scorpion to rid himself of being part of the Netherrealm and reuniting with his dead family and clan. Other than that, there's no way Scorpion can redeem himself and be sent up to the Heavens

who says that Bi han has to be the Champion of the Elder Gods or Scorpion can't be redeem by another method?

I have a feeling Raiden is going to tell Scorpion about Quan Chi maybe in a vision or something like that and then he forgives Sub-Zero. I usually don't like mushy stuff like that but I want their mindless feud to end.

I'm not saying he CAN'T. I just don't know any other path other than the Soulnado which could develop Scorpion from being the angry "kill Lin Kuei" dumbass that he is usually depicted as.

I don't think being a "Kill Lin Kuei dumbass" is such a bad thing. I personally think its more of a "Kill the guy who I believe killed my family" thing. Anyway I don't see why that makes him a dumbass lol thinking/being told that his family was killed by a certain individual is more than enough of a reason for him to want to kill that person, IMO.

If Bi Han is dragged back into the storyline, it'll show a lack of imagination on NRS' part and make their claims of moving forward with the series even more ridiculous.

Easy answer; scorpion is gullible as fuck.

If he knows that the current Sub-Zero (Kuai Liang) is not a killer that kills instinctively without backthought (hell, MK1 downright states that Bi Han kills for sport) then WHY on Earth would he take Quan Chi's words for granted.


Hmm, I have seen this Subs is not the same man who killed me and is pretty honorable, on the other hand this suspicious as fuck looking guy in the netherrealm is telling me he killed my family.


And Scorpion being angry all the time is the biggest colossal turnoff for me. He is not some tortured noble soul, he is a goddamn petulant child with no afterthought for his actions (MK9).

Yes, a Japanese man who values stoicism and filial piety played away his chance at ressurecting his clan because he could not calm his temper. And this is supposed to be a ninja.


SASUKE UCHIHA is a better ninja than this mostly, and he is colossally stupid and self-servingly egotistic.

Read this people, this is the only good answer. The rest is bullcrap

If they kept Bi-Han as Noob and Kuai as human Sub it'd be same old same old. If Bi-Han is Sub Zero again it'll be interesting to see what his motivations are now, if he is still as evil without Noob, if he cares about his brother or the Lin Kuei, if he's now the Elder God's champion. They won't just do his story line over again with Scorpion killing him and making him become Noob because that would be dumb and only dipshits would assume that. So yeah, still into new territory.

Yeah, because repeating old story is definitely a creative thing.

Talking that bring back Bi-Han is a lack of creativity is stupid since:
1) we don't know whole story of the game;
2) There is no 100% confirmation that it is indeed Bi-Han;
3) We don't know if he stays Sub-Zero by the end of the game;
So all people who shout about lack of creativity, should think with their brains, before making such statements.
Oh, I forgot, logical thinking is considered blashemy in a fandom.

I think that's the point, im pretty sure he supposed to be blinded by rage, hence why he listens to quan chi , he probably doesn't care (Or even realize) that he is sketchy or has ulterior motives for "helping him", he just wants to kill the person who he thinks killed his family

lol I like Sasuke too

Yes, but throughout the fist three games Scorpion was not stupid about it, and had a sense of honor by becoming the protector of Kuai Liang.


THEN comes MK4 with the MK movie behind it, and for purely marketing aims they restore the feud that was basically resolved (MK4 is full of these, bringing back stuff or retconing them: Liu Kang's ancestry: somehow he ecomes another relative of the G. Kung Lao aka the movie, MK4 Gold brought back Kung Lao who was dead after MK3/T etc.).

The problem of Scorpion is that wile he had no characteristics aside two points: vengeance and eventual resolution, they brought it back and ever since he has been a seething idiot with no introspection. MKD tried to do something with it, but then came Armagedddon, and we are back at Sub vs Scorp. because the general MK fanbase is deemed to have the attention span of goldfish.


Sasuke suffers from the same problem. Alot of people here give flak him for it, but in Japan it is a HUUUGE deal: filial piety. Sasuke becomes repulsive because he aribtrarily makes up his mind on what to do, all the while maintaining that he is justified in his vengeance. (kill Itachi -> do not kill Itachi, kill the Konoha leaders - > kill all the Kages -> Kages cannot be killed -> kill Konoha leaders again -> kill Konoha -> get the backstory, do not kill Konoha, become Hokage - > kill Naruto BECAUSE REVOLUTION, hope I did not spoiler anything).


They seemingly do not care about things, they just want an outlet for violence and convenience.

It's interesting to see if Scorpion turns against Quan Chi on his own will. In the old timeline it was Sub-Zero (Kuai Liang) who made Scorpion abandon his quest for vengeance in Mk2 after they had their confrontation in Outworld.

In MK3 Scorpion was released from hell when Shao Kahn invaded Earth and used the souls of hell to strengthen his army. He saw potential in Scorpion and tried to recruit him into his army which Scorpion agreed to do. Only when Scorpion realized that they were against Sub-Zero did he switch sides and join the Earth warriors

However, in the re-boot to the franchise in the alternate timeline Scorpion was never able to resolve his conflict with Sub-Zero due to the interference of Cyrax and Sektor in MK2, it's a pity that they showed up so early but what can you do?

I feel that given the circumstances it is most fitting if both Scorpion and Sub-Zero (Bi-Han) cross paths. Sub-Zero representing heaven and Scorpion representing hell it is almost poetic if you think about it. One created the other and could be a powerful duo if they put their differences aside.

I feel like Quan Chi is going to have a huge role in the story mode and I've been waiting since 1997 for that bastard to get what is coming to him. Can we please have him go down in this game?

Shaun Himmerick did say in the Quan Chi reveal trailer that Quan Chi plays a big part in the story and judging from the amount of dialogue there is between Scorpion and Sub-Zero they are most likely going to meet in the story. In Sub-Zero's MK9 arcade ending Sub-Zero and Scorpion did team up to take down Quan Chi so I am sure NRS ae aware of the idea. Quan Chi was semi-responsible for Bi-Han's death when he goaded Scorpion to kill hi even though Scorpion did not want to at first.

I think what would happen is that Scorpion finds out that Bi-Han is still alive and tries to kill him but during the course of the story mode they finds out that Quan Chi was responsible for his clan's murder and then goes after Quan Chi. Although Quan Chi is clever he is not beywond arrogance when Quan Chi declared to Scorpion that he killed Scorpions clan with bravado. Quan Chi is in a powerful position with the army of revenants and he has to show his cards sooner or later to put his plan in action. There is only so much you can do in the shadows.