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09/11/2014 03:41 AM (UTC)
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diirecthit Wrote:
RedSumac Wrote:
Besides, I don't see what was wrong with her gameplay. She was awesome in MKDA. One of my best characters.
On the other hand I don't give a single fuck about tourney snobs and their opinions, outside of promoting the game through word of mouth.


So why did you bring up tiers? Mileena wasn't played much and that had nothing to do with tiers, just accept it. Kabal was top tier and he wasn't even top 10 in character usage according to official stats.



Again, what does this have to do with anything?

For the record, Mileena obviously was my favorite character in MK9. But if I needed a "go-to" character during online play, I would pick Kabal or other easy characters to use. Rarely if ever Mileena.
If I wasnt playing online against all those ridiculous people who would just be too difficult to beat, I would always play Mileena offline.

You keep insinuating (from my perspective) that people just dont like her and thus just dont play her. Gameplay did play a big part in that. She had shitty combos, her xray was weak, no stun attacks, limited number of specials, etc.

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09/11/2014 03:44 AM (UTC)
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mkmileena Wrote:
You keep insinuating (from my perspective) that people just dont like her and thus just dont play her. Gameplay did play a big part in that. She had shitty combos, her xray was weak, no stun attacks, limited number of specials, etc.



Yet..

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Mileena stands as #10 on list of most played characters in MK9:

http://www.eventhubs.com/stats/mk9/
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09/11/2014 03:46 AM (UTC)
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yeah i saw that too when I tried to look up this list that Mileena is at the bottom of (LOL)
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09/11/2014 03:58 AM (UTC)
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mkmileena Wrote:
You keep insinuating (from my perspective) that people just dont like her and thus just dont play her. Gameplay did play a big part in that. She had shitty combos, her xray was weak, no stun attacks, limited number of specials, etc.



So why isn't Kabal in the top 10, according to ~official~ stats?
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09/11/2014 03:59 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
mkmileena Wrote:
You keep insinuating (from my perspective) that people just dont like her and thus just dont play her. Gameplay did play a big part in that. She had shitty combos, her xray was weak, no stun attacks, limited number of specials, etc.



Yet..

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Mileena stands as #10 on list of most played characters in MK9:

http://www.eventhubs.com/stats/mk9/


I only acknowledge ~official~ stats. Nice try though. You're dismissed.
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09/11/2014 04:01 AM (UTC)
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diirecthit Wrote:
mkmileena Wrote:
You keep insinuating (from my perspective) that people just dont like her and thus just dont play her. Gameplay did play a big part in that. She had shitty combos, her xray was weak, no stun attacks, limited number of specials, etc.



So why isn't Kabal in the top 10, according to ~official~ stats?


Kabal should be in the top 10 now because I used him when I played online?



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09/11/2014 04:02 AM (UTC)
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diirecthit Wrote:
You're dismissed.


Nice try, but you don't have any authority over anyone here.

You keep talking about tiers and you claim some characters are high tier and others low tier... where do you get that from? Any official source you rely on?
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09/11/2014 04:04 AM (UTC)
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mkmileena Wrote:


diirecthit Wrote:
mkmileena Wrote:
You keep insinuating (from my perspective) that people just dont like her and thus just dont play her. Gameplay did play a big part in that. She had shitty combos, her xray was weak, no stun attacks, limited number of specials, etc.



So why isn't Kabal in the top 10, according to ~official~ stats?


Kabal should be in the top 10 now because I used him when I played online?





No, he should be top 10 because according to you, people use top-tier characters when playing online, and Kabal was top tier.
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09/11/2014 04:05 AM (UTC)
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and Kabal was top tier.


Says who?
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09/11/2014 04:11 AM (UTC)
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diirecthit Wrote:
mkmileena Wrote:
You keep insinuating (from my perspective) that people just dont like her and thus just dont play her. Gameplay did play a big part in that. She had shitty combos, her xray was weak, no stun attacks, limited number of specials, etc.



So why isn't Kabal in the top 10, according to ~official~ stats?


Kabal should be in the top 10 now because I used him when I played online?





No, he should be top 10 because according to you, people use top-tier characters when playing online, and Kabal was top tier.


I said gameplay in general, not tiers. And it was in relation to the easiness of the character to grasp.
Kabal happened to be easier and more effective for me to use than Mileena online against players that would kick my ass anyways.



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09/11/2014 04:12 AM (UTC)
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mkmileena Wrote:
Based on your original posts and disregarding story details and generalizing outcomes in a way that best suites your idea of things, I can already tell any evidence presented towards you will likely be returned with the same nonsensical manner of your initial post. And quite honestly I have no patience for such ridiculous arguments.


Have I ever done anything to you personally to warrant hostility and dismissal? I honestly can't recall having an argument with you before. I'm generally only a douche to people who are a douche to me first, and you're kinda the one being the douche right now and I'm trying to, y'know, turn the other cheek about it.

I genuinely want to know your interpretation of Mileena's MKD/MKA story because you make it sound deeper and more intriguing than I'd previously considered it to be and I'd seriously like to maybe have a little civil discourse about where that comes from. I'm not fucking incapable of considering other points of view here.
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09/11/2014 04:19 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
mkmileena Wrote:
Based on your original posts and disregarding story details and generalizing outcomes in a way that best suites your idea of things, I can already tell any evidence presented towards you will likely be returned with the same nonsensical manner of your initial post. And quite honestly I have no patience for such ridiculous arguments.


Have I ever done anything to you personally to warrant hostility and dismissal? I honestly can't recall having an argument with you before. I'm generally only a douche to people who are a douche to me first, and you're kinda the one being the douche right now and I'm trying to, y'know, turn the other cheek about it.

I genuinely want to know your interpretation of Mileena's MKD/MKA story because you make it sound deeper and more intriguing than I'd previously considered it to be and I'd seriously like to maybe have a little civil discourse about where that comes from. I'm not fucking incapable of considering other points of view here.


There is no deepness to Mileena's storyline in MKD (or in any game, for that matter). It's just Mileena wanting to take Kitana's place 10+ years after her debut game, in which she wanted to be take Kitana's place.
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09/11/2014 04:21 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
mkmileena Wrote:
Based on your original posts and disregarding story details and generalizing outcomes in a way that best suites your idea of things, I can already tell any evidence presented towards you will likely be returned with the same nonsensical manner of your initial post. And quite honestly I have no patience for such ridiculous arguments.


Have I ever done anything to you personally to warrant hostility and dismissal? I honestly can't recall having an argument with you before. I'm generally only a douche to people who are a douche to me first, and you're kinda the one being the douche right now and I'm trying to, y'know, turn the other cheek about it.

I genuinely want to know your interpretation of Mileena's MKD/MKA story because you make it sound deeper and more intriguing than I'd previously considered it to be and I'd seriously like to maybe have a little civil discourse about where that comes from.


Nothing about you personally at all. It was just your argument. Its a repeated argument that is used to just deflect negativity on Mileena's character.
I had this discussion once a couple months ago with Jaded a couple months ago and it went no where. I doubt your opinion will change in the matter either.

but if you insist I'll PM my opinion.
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09/11/2014 04:25 AM (UTC)
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diirecthit Wrote:
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
mkmileena Wrote:
Based on your original posts and disregarding story details and generalizing outcomes in a way that best suites your idea of things, I can already tell any evidence presented towards you will likely be returned with the same nonsensical manner of your initial post. And quite honestly I have no patience for such ridiculous arguments.


Have I ever done anything to you personally to warrant hostility and dismissal? I honestly can't recall having an argument with you before. I'm generally only a douche to people who are a douche to me first, and you're kinda the one being the douche right now and I'm trying to, y'know, turn the other cheek about it.

I genuinely want to know your interpretation of Mileena's MKD/MKA story because you make it sound deeper and more intriguing than I'd previously considered it to be and I'd seriously like to maybe have a little civil discourse about where that comes from. I'm not fucking incapable of considering other points of view here.


There is no deepness to Mileena's storyline in MKD (or in any game, for that matter). It's just Mileena wanting to take Kitana's place 10+ years after her debut game, in which she wanted to be take Kitana's place.


That's cool. What was Sonya doing at that time? Oh yeah. Being a boring bland bitch. wink
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09/11/2014 04:28 AM (UTC)
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Well, now that we are talking about who was played more in MK9, let's give it a spin so it can get back on-topic about returning characters in MKX...

Some people tend to lean on the official leaderboard of most played characters overall in MK9 as a guideline to what character has the potential chance to be in MKX. The leaderboard can be found here:

http://www.themortalkombat.com/leaderboards?inputLinkPlatform=undefined&inputLeaderboardType;=overall_favorite_character&inputPageNumber;=1

On the leaderboard, Kano lies as #24 out of 31 (Rain isn't listed for some reason).

This means that the leaderboard doesn't mean a shit when it comes to who will make it to MKX, as Kano has been announced.

Cyrax, Smoke, Kung Lao, Kitana and Noob Saibot all lie above Sonya on the leaderboard. So if Sonya is announced to be in MKX, and those others aren't, then that would be another proof that said leaderboard doesn't matter at all.

And thus we can conclude that Mileena lying as #23 on the leaderboard doesn't mean a thing. She has as much a chance to be in MKX as anyone else. I mean, Kano lies a spot beneath her, and he got in after all.

So all thought about what character lies where on the leaderboard doesn't mean a fucking thing. The list is garbage and has absolutely no importance what so ever.

Therefore I advice people to dismiss anyone who uses the leaderboard as an example of who will potentially make it to MKX, because it is useless information.
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09/11/2014 04:33 AM (UTC)
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Yeah, Kano def. put the nail in the coffin when it comes to that list and roster speculation.

OR

was he just a special exception since he is, afterall, a MK1 baby? HMMMMM
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09/11/2014 04:38 AM (UTC)
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mkmileena Wrote:
Yeah, Kano def. put the nail in the coffin when it comes to that list and roster speculation.

OR

was he just a special exception since he is, afterall, a MK1 baby? HMMMMM


That's the thing, he might be. But he wasn't a popular character. His fanbase is rather niche. And contrary to Kano, though Mileena is also low on that list, she is considered quite popular.

But as you say, her gameplay in MK9 wasn't easy to handle. It takes practise to land those combos with her. And I'm convinced that's the reason she is low on the list. That has nothing to do with her popularity though.
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09/11/2014 05:09 AM (UTC)
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diirecthit Wrote:
There is no deepness to Mileena's storyline in MKD (or in any game, for that matter). It's just Mileena wanting to take Kitana's place 10+ years after her debut game, in which she wanted to be take Kitana's place.

Wrong.
Deepness is arguable, but it was not only about Mileena wanting to take place of Kitana. It clearly shows you don't now story of MK.

Mileena wasn't as easy to use as other characters, so it could had affected her. Kabal is just inherently unpopular character, tourney people aside.


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09/11/2014 05:29 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
mkmileena Wrote:
Yeah, Kano def. put the nail in the coffin when it comes to that list and roster speculation.

OR

was he just a special exception since he is, afterall, a MK1 baby? HMMMMM


That's the thing, he might be. But he wasn't a popular character. His fanbase is rather niche. And contrary to Kano, though Mileena is also low on that list, she is considered quite popular.

But as you say, her gameplay in MK9 wasn't easy to handle. It takes practise to land those combos with her. And I'm convinced that's the reason she is low on the list. That has nothing to do with her popularity though.


I always use the MKvsDC cast as to who the obvious series favorites and shoe-ins are for the series, despite popularity.

Kano was in that as well.
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09/11/2014 05:32 AM (UTC)
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mkmileena Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
mkmileena Wrote:
Yeah, Kano def. put the nail in the coffin when it comes to that list and roster speculation.

OR

was he just a special exception since he is, afterall, a MK1 baby? HMMMMM


That's the thing, he might be. But he wasn't a popular character. His fanbase is rather niche. And contrary to Kano, though Mileena is also low on that list, she is considered quite popular.

But as you say, her gameplay in MK9 wasn't easy to handle. It takes practise to land those combos with her. And I'm convinced that's the reason she is low on the list. That has nothing to do with her popularity though.


I always use the MKvsDC cast as to who the obvious series favorites and shoe-ins are for the series, despite popularity.

Kano was in that as well.


But Johnny wasn't... and he is a very popular character. So I wouldn't rely on that game for that.
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09/11/2014 05:36 AM (UTC)
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Oh that is shocking! I thought he was in it. They probably included Baraka over Johnny because they already had too many good guys.
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09/11/2014 05:52 AM (UTC)
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To be fair, Johnny and Goro did cameo in the collector's edition comic.

Anyway, the thing about Kano being in MK vs DCU is, the devs always said that roster was "the most iconic" characters.

Iconic means recognizable, not popular. And Kano was a memorable part of the movie, so the mainstream people who buy the game 'cause they like Batman and Superman but maybe don't play MK games would remember him.
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09/11/2014 05:54 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
To be fair, Johnny and Goro did cameo in the collector's edition comic.

Anyway, the thing about Kano being in MK vs DCU is, the devs always said that roster was "the most iconic" characters.

Iconic means recognizable, not popular. And Kano was a memorable part of the movie, so the mainstream people who buy the game 'cause they like Batman and Superman but maybe don't play MK games would remember him.


Solid point.
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09/11/2014 06:22 AM (UTC)
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I dont think anyone here is claiming Kano to be super popular.

Yes he was memorable in the Movie, but so was Johnny Cage. His fight with scorpion in the woods is the most memorable thing to me of the movie.

But apparently they left Cage out.

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09/11/2014 07:58 AM (UTC)
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lol

Like that one guy said, absolutely nobody is arguing anything you wrote.

Keep talking to yourself, though.


Hahahaha! Wut? Dude seriously you are the last person in this forum that should be acting all "Nobody curr keep talking to yourself". All I've seen you do here is disregard people's opinions, throw insults, and act like an asshole. I have yet to see you discuss a serious topic without being a bitch to someone so please save it.

Also if you're able to read, it seems that the discussion was between me and a bunch of other people, until you pop your irrelevant ass up again and feed off people's attention. Gtfo
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Anyway, the thing about Kano being in MK vs DCU is, the devs always said that roster was "the most iconic" characters.

Iconic means recognizable, not popular. And Kano was a memorable part of the movie, so the mainstream people who buy the game 'cause they like Batman and Superman but maybe don't play MK games would remember him.

Yes but MKX is a different case. In MKvsDC the devs weren't just targeting the MK audience. They were targeting DC fans too and that's why they were going for the most "recognizable" characters. MKX is just MK. It's not about the most "iconic" characters anymore. I would like to think that they try to satisfy the fanbase too and include characters that fans have been asking for.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:

Some people tend to lean on the official leaderboard of most played characters overall in MK9 as a guideline to what character has the potential chance to be in MKX.
On the leaderboard, Kano lies as #24 out of 31.
This means that the leaderboard doesn't mean a shit when it comes to who will make it to MKX, as Kano has been announced.
And thus we can conclude that Mileena lying as #23 on the leaderboard doesn't mean a thing. She has as much a chance to be in MKX as anyone else. I mean, Kano lies a spot beneath her, and he got in after all.

Basically this. I don't understand why that MK9 list is still being mentioned, even after Kano was announced.
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