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LucaTurilli
05/27/2012 03:21 PM (UTC)
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My vote goes to Fujin. He's bad ass. Needs a new and refined moveset, but is still sick. I like Onaga. He's probably the best boss we've seen since Shao Khan, but his appearance leaves a little to be desired. He doesn't look as menacing and awesome as a "Dragon King" should. If we see him again, I'd like to see the designers go all out, making him look fierce as fuck. Less humanoid, more reptilian please.
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acidslayer
05/27/2012 03:26 PM (UTC)
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i like both but i voted for fujin because i think he is far superior than raiden. plus i'll take the god of wind over the god of thunder anyday. in mka he was lacking but in mk4 he was one of my favorites.
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Zmoke
05/27/2012 03:32 PM (UTC)
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I'll vote for Onaga. Both of them were great in their respective debute installations yet neither one of them was introduced during the 2D era.
I'm not sure whether that was intentional or not but the Dragon King is written as "Dragon Kong" in the tournament page, Lucifer. Also, it's rather disputable to add "2002-2012" for instance for Hsu Hao because his existence ended in around 2010 when Ed Boon, if my memory serves right, outright told that Hsu Hao won't return. Their plans are subject to change however, but I wouldn't think that would be the case here.
Why do all the percentage pairs sum up 99.9% instead of 1/1? Just so that one could ask? I think it would be intriguing if there would be a couple of "bonus rounds" that would show up as question marks before we'd actually get there. It would spice things up. Otherwise this is not bad!
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hferg
05/27/2012 03:45 PM (UTC)
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I missed yesterday's poll! *cries in a corner*

At any rate, I voted Fujin, because, as I've stated earlier, many of the characters in Deception (hell, the storyline of the game itself, for the most part) seemed unnessicary, and Onaga was, to me, anyway, a pointless character.

Plus, Fujin was a fun punching bag in MK4!
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keyara412
05/27/2012 03:48 PM (UTC)
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fujin.... i never cared for onaga
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Harle
05/27/2012 04:40 PM (UTC)
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I hated Fujin so much when he first appeared... It doesn't help that I recently read that he supposedly replaced Sindel in MK4? That's bullshit. Hehehe..... But I've grown to like him a little more lately... A little.

I do not like Onaga much, but I do like his whole "deception" thing. What he did with Shujinko was hilarious, because I despise Shujinko. I also have a general rule that I hate ALL dragons... I want dragons to go away, stop being in every single god damned fictional universe, and stop being such a dated/generic design 99% of the time.

So.... I vote Fujin? Because I think he could possibly be really interesting if done well in the future and fuck dragons.
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(Erik)
05/27/2012 04:45 PM (UTC)
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Fujin because seniority.
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05/27/2012 05:01 PM (UTC)
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Onaga


He's THE motherfucking Dragon King
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Icebaby
05/27/2012 05:02 PM (UTC)
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Fujin, because Onaga sucked.
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zerosebaz
05/27/2012 05:02 PM (UTC)
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I actually like both charachters, but i like Fujin the most. I really thought there would be another round of DLC with Fujin and Tanya. His look in MKA is great, he only needs to have his moveset a little tweaked and he would be super amazing.
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05/27/2012 05:41 PM (UTC)
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Fujin because *get this* I prefer him to Onaga.

Controversial, I know.
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05/27/2012 06:56 PM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
Shadaloo Wrote:
I like Dairou's concept a whole bunch. I think MK needs a bounty hunter. But as he is, Dairou is ass. The Eastwood-inspired headhunter I imagine he should have been is just a figment of my imagination. It doesn't actually exist.

IMO people who vote for characters who "have potential" are very likely placing an idealized, non-existent version of their favorite shitstain over whoever else, and demonstrate difficulty in making objective comparisons.

I think it would take a severe lack of attention and imagination to write the characters off the way some are. The difference between Dairou as Eastwood, and the potential of characters like Kobra or Dairou, is that it is implied potential. It is delivered in their appearances and the games and is based on something other than completely ignoring what they are. The comic book reference is an argument for this justification and acknowledgment. The best revamps of comic book superheroes (with which MK has a lot in common) are usually firmly anchored to the original premise and pick up on that, or key references.

The spirit of the competition isn't to vote for fan-fiction, this is true.
A little imagination might help people notice what's actually there, though. When you're shunting characters who didn't get a great run to praise the virtues of Meat, it shouldn't be difficult to notice somebody isn't paying attention in the slightest. Kobra is a street fighter in the MK universe -- simple hook that could go a lot more ways than it has. Tremor is a Black Dragon powerhouse who may or may not have history with the Lin Kuei -- a character with a lot of connections to the fiction and a lot of potential as a classical counterpart to a character like Jax.

Don't confuse the need for an improved appearance, the kind that has occurred from MKDA+ (rendering the assumption that a character who has been a palette swap can never be more moot...) with there not being potential. It's sitting right there in front of everyone. Tangible.


My point isn't that crappy characters don't have potential. Everyone does. But when I see this argument applied to such characters over the likes of Jax...well, where's the discussion about implied potential then? Is it a feeling that Jax has had his chances and has failed to deliver? I can see a metric ass-ton of places Jax can go, but people are so adamant that based on his appearances, he's become boring - but you still see some support for where they'd planned to take him after MKA. Folks found the Tekunin implant intriguing. How do you judge who's got greater implied potential? The word just seems to me used as a crutch for weak characters.

All I'm doing is explaining why I don't use potential to gauge a character's worth in this competition. That is all. I'm not writing off anyone because they're garbage. Honestly, I can identify something likeable in most of the less popular characters. I give the creators credit for trying to give Jarek his own direction in MKA, even if it didn't pan out well. And for all that I jest, "Who the fuck is Kai?" - I find his design and character fun. Kira could have been absolutely astounding if her moveset wasn't entirely copy-pasted. I adored her background. But what's actually there in these cases isn't enough. Call it lack of imagination if you wish, but I call it critical examination.

Anyway, If I recall correctly, Tremor's purported Lin Kuei connections are just that - fan fiction and rumor - and haven't been established firmly as canon at all, so I'm wondering why he's in this running over Chameleon (who I abhor equally), who started as no less a pallette-swap, and actually was given a background of sorts in his second selectable appearance, which did succeed in winning him a number of fans.

Also, Fujin, but just by a hair. I admire Onaga's capacity for treachery, but he was an awful, clunky end-boss with no presence.
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Jaded-Raven
05/27/2012 07:24 PM (UTC)
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I have always had some unanswered questions in the back of my head when it comes to Onaga. One of them is... Is Onaga really all that bad? Is he really evil? Or does he just want to take back what is rightfully his?

All we know about Onaga is that he was the rightful ruler of Outworld who was backstabbed by Shao Kahn who took his place and then started conquering realms to merge with Outworld. Onaga then returned after many millenia with the purpose of taking back Outworld.

Sure, his methods are questionable. Who took advantage of the poor schmuck Shujinko who gathered the Kamidogu for him, but that's about it. I know it is not very Mortal Kombat-like, but they could have handled this problem through diplomacy, putting Onaga back on the throne of Outworld and negotiate to a peace treaty. I never saw Onaga as evil, just a very butt-hurt man and it is completely understandable why he would be. Shao Kahn fucked him over!

Too bad he was just translated into another "evil ruler" boss character in the games. He could have been the most badass replacement for Shao Kahn, but the MK team never really gave him the chance to show it. Just like many other next-gen MK characters, he never showed his full potential, not to mention his gameplay was very lacking.

The same thing could be said about Fujin. So far, he's just seemed like an asshole Raiden-replacement with wind powers instead of lightning. He failed as the guardian of the medallion in MK Mythologies, he was an obvious choice to replace Raiden as the protector god of Earthrealm, but then Raiden returned and kinda took that title back and then he was just being an asshole towards Taven in MK Armageddon's Konquest mode. He hasn't really been shown in the best light throughout the games, though his gameplay has been quite fun and nicely done. His crossbow was missing in MK Armageddon though, and the sword he got in that game was just so out-of-place.

Fujin doesn't have alot going on for him, but hopefully that will change in the next game, should he be in it. All in all, both their game appearances have been quite lacking. However, I think I will choose Onaga over Fujin, because when measuring the potential they both have, I just think Onaga has that bit more than Fujin has.
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05/27/2012 07:34 PM (UTC)
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Onaga
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05/27/2012 08:38 PM (UTC)
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(Erik) Wrote:
Fujin because seniority.


Bro, you ever gonna vote for someone because you like the character? Lol.

And I vote Fujin. My favorite MK as a kid was MK4, so it only makes sense.
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hferg
05/27/2012 08:46 PM (UTC)
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raidenthefridge Wrote:
Fujin because *get this* I prefer him to Onaga.

Controversial, I know.


Compared to some here, yes, it is.

xB$INx Wrote:
(Erik) Wrote:
Fujin because seniority.


Bro, you ever gonna vote for someone because you like the character? Lol.

And I vote Fujin. My favorite MK as a kid was MK4, so it only makes sense.


I'm guessing not until two characters who debuted in the same game face each other. Then again, who says he's being honest?

BTW, am I the only one who REALLY thought it'd be interesting to have Fujin be a bad guy? ESPECIALLY if it's him trying to do what he thinks is the right thing for Earthrealm!
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(Erik)
05/27/2012 09:11 PM (UTC)
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Look at every single character who has won thus far.

Every single one of them have been characters that have debuted earlier than their defeated counter parts.

It's not like I'm the only person here voting based on seniority.

I'm just the first to admit it.
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Jaded-Raven
05/27/2012 09:14 PM (UTC)
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(Erik) Wrote:
Look at every single character who has won thus far.

Every single one of them have been characters that have debuted earlier than their defeated counter parts.

It's not like I'm the only person here voting based on seniority.

I'm just the first to admit it.


So your definition of a great character is based on how long it has been around?
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(Erik)
05/27/2012 09:20 PM (UTC)
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I never worded it like that.
But I think that characters that have been around longer have had more of an opportunity to shine, and have had more time developing a bond with the players because they have been in the hands of the players for more time and in more games. Their stories are often the most fleshed out and developed, because they have been included in the most installments. Earlier designs are often remembered as being more iconic, and newer characters play styles are often seen as being "unoriginal." Those are the reasons that I think characters with seniority are often seen as being better characters than their newer counterparts.
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05/27/2012 09:25 PM (UTC)
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Voted Fujin because he can BLOW away the competition!
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Noobsmoke92
05/27/2012 09:29 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
I have always had some unanswered questions in the back of my head when it comes to Onaga. One of them is... Is Onaga really all that bad? Is he really evil? Or does he just want to take back what is rightfully his?

All we know about Onaga is that he was the rightful ruler of Outworld who was backstabbed by Shao Kahn who took his place and then started conquering realms to merge with Outworld. Onaga then returned after many millenia with the purpose of taking back Outworld.

Sure, his methods are questionable. Who took advantage of the poor schmuck Shujinko who gathered the Kamidogu for him, but that's about it. I know it is not very Mortal Kombat-like, but they could have handled this problem through diplomacy, putting Onaga back on the throne of Outworld and negotiate to a peace treaty. I never saw Onaga as evil, just a very butt-hurt man and it is completely understandable why he would be. Shao Kahn fucked him over!

Too bad he was just translated into another "evil ruler" boss character in the games. He could have been the most badass replacement for Shao Kahn, but the MK team never really gave him the chance to show it. Just like many other next-gen MK characters, he never showed his full potential, not to mention his gameplay was very lacking.


Well,I don't think Onaga is just taking what is rightfully his,his real plans,even in his death,were to conquer all the realms and fuse them into One singular Realm (even though,his actions are influenced by One Being,which is even stated in Ermac's ending). I mean,if he wants just Outworld back for himself,why the heck he sends Shujinko on this quest to retrieve all Kamidogus for him?Even in his non-canon ending in MK Deception,he reaches his objective and then destroys the Elder Gods and becomes the One Being. All these suggest that Onaga is not a neutral guy at all and I don't think NRS planned him as such. His objectives were pretty much straight-forward,I even dare to say,he was PLANNED to be MORE of a threat that Shao Kahn or Shinnok NOT ONLY to Earthrealm,but to all existence.

If he was JUST reclaiming his throne,then Raiden shouldn't had to worry about him and ally himself with two dudes that he hated and didn't trust a bit,and also just fought and lost to 5 minutes ago,should he?

And his mummified army...I doubt they are waiting to just put their commander on the throne of Outworld,LOL.

ONE THING that always bugged me about Deception is why the fuck Shinnok's amulet has to be the key to everything,even to control Onaga's army,I mean,what is the connection between the Dragon King and his army and the Fallen Elder God,I never understood that.
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KungLaodoesntsuck
05/27/2012 09:56 PM (UTC)
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(Erik) Wrote:
Look at every single character who has won thus far.

Every single one of them have been characters that have debuted earlier than their defeated counter parts.

It's not like I'm the only person here voting based on seniority.

I'm just the first to admit it.


I like your method of voting. Makes sense. Plus it means you would vote for Kung Lao, well at least in the first round.
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Jaded-Raven
05/27/2012 10:10 PM (UTC)
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Noobsmoke92 Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
I have always had some unanswered questions in the back of my head when it comes to Onaga. One of them is... Is Onaga really all that bad? Is he really evil? Or does he just want to take back what is rightfully his?

All we know about Onaga is that he was the rightful ruler of Outworld who was backstabbed by Shao Kahn who took his place and then started conquering realms to merge with Outworld. Onaga then returned after many millenia with the purpose of taking back Outworld.

Sure, his methods are questionable. Who took advantage of the poor schmuck Shujinko who gathered the Kamidogu for him, but that's about it. I know it is not very Mortal Kombat-like, but they could have handled this problem through diplomacy, putting Onaga back on the throne of Outworld and negotiate to a peace treaty. I never saw Onaga as evil, just a very butt-hurt man and it is completely understandable why he would be. Shao Kahn fucked him over!

Too bad he was just translated into another "evil ruler" boss character in the games. He could have been the most badass replacement for Shao Kahn, but the MK team never really gave him the chance to show it. Just like many other next-gen MK characters, he never showed his full potential, not to mention his gameplay was very lacking.


Well,I don't think Onaga is just taking what is rightfully his,his real plans,even in his death,were to conquer all the realms and fuse them into One singular Realm (even though,his actions are influenced by One Being,which is even stated in Ermac's ending). I mean,if he wants just Outworld back for himself,why the heck he sends Shujinko on this quest to retrieve all Kamidogus for him?Even in his non-canon ending in MK Deception,he reaches his objective and then destroys the Elder Gods and becomes the One Being. All these suggest that Onaga is not a neutral guy at all and I don't think NRS planned him as such. His objectives were pretty much straight-forward,I even dare to say,he was PLANNED to be MORE of a threat that Shao Kahn or Shinnok NOT ONLY to Earthrealm,but to all existence.

If he was JUST reclaiming his throne,then Raiden shouldn't had to worry about him and ally himself with two dudes that he hated and didn't trust a bit,and also just fought and lost to 5 minutes ago,should he?

And his mummified army...I doubt they are waiting to just put their commander on the throne of Outworld,LOL.

ONE THING that always bugged me about Deception is why the fuck Shinnok's amulet has to be the key to everything,even to control Onaga's army,I mean,what is the connection between the Dragon King and his army and the Fallen Elder God,I never understood that.


You are making some really good points there which make sense as well.
This One Being really knows how to manipulate and corrupt great rulers who have the power to merge the realms. Then the question is, has it only been Onaga and Shao Kahn who's been inflicted by this or are some of the other characters also just pawns to this One Being?

Also, about the amulet, I just think that it represents the key to power and that power could be used for many various things. Why should an item only be used for one thing only, especially one that is supposed to be so powerful? It only makes sense that it has various functions which can be used, and has been used, for many different things. That's why there were gods protecting it.
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Nephrite
05/27/2012 10:15 PM (UTC)
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hferg Wrote:
BTW, am I the only one who REALLY thought it'd be interesting to have Fujin be a bad guy? ESPECIALLY if it's him trying to do what he thinks is the right thing for Earthrealm!


That would be too similar to the whole Dark Raiden thing.

I'd like to see Fujin continue as a good guy, but I don't want him to be as friendly or as close to the Earthrealm heroes as Raiden has been. I want Fujin too be stern and all about business.
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