I don't think so,Tim.
EDIT: How the fuck did this thread reach 500+ posts?

I completely agree. Definitely a step in the right direction.

Alright, I'll concede to lose the heels, but you have to agree to keep the cleavage. /s

Hey for all we know, Sonya wants to use the heels as weapons.

In all reality, it is amazing that this thread is so active. Hopefully NRS will read it and consider appropriate costume modifications, at least for her alt. I think another reason why it's so active is because the fans are super thirsty for new character releases, and Sonya is a big glass of kool-aid.
P.S. Mileena doesn't seem to have any trouble with heels. She apparently also likes to 'air out' her region during kombat. I didn't see too many people complaining about her costume not fitting her career.

If her costume IS that when they add the effects of damage to her clothing i wonder what will that look like ? o.O
Haha jk...

i like their approach but theres a such thing as too much milleena is awesome but having sonya looking like she had plastic surgery is over board the clevage can stay but reduce it a bit.

I want to think you're just taking the piss. But ...you're not, are you?

Oh MK fans...

You can see how they're handling this with one of the images from this magazine featuring Kitana vs. Sonya. Kitana has taken some clothing damage, and her top is damaged in such a way where the areola could not possibly be hidden without defying the laws of physics and anatomy. I really fear they're going to take this way too far. The costumes are a headache enough, but we're forgetting how totally ridiculous a lot of these females will look after a battle. They'll be wearing nothing more than small pieces of fabric magically glued over their naughty bits.

Ugh, this thread is utterly ridiculous, as usual.

yeah man they shouldnt take too far but make it to at leass mk vs dc was if they do it like that then they will be perfect but right now it shouldnt look like a strip club after a fight

That's the most disturbing thing of all - Boon's been tooting his horn about how brutalised these characters will look after a fight.

There's something really unsettling about people wanting to see women dressed like the dirtiest whores in Bangkok, with half their clothes torn off, broken noses, black eyesbleeding wounds ... Hopefully they'll have an option to turn that shit down.
EDIT: If people think this is no differnt to what we've seen in MK before, you probably should see a psych about your inability to differentiate itchy-and-scratchy-type violence with what the MK team are offering this time.

Agreed i hope they turn it down bit if they do then were ok like i said before in mk vs dc the brutality was perfected after a fight. I think the ripping of the shirts should on ly go to the men.as for the women we dont need a mid-night srtip

I fondly remembered this thread. I hope all you guys in favor of this also agree with what he's saying here.

LMAO @ that thread. I wouldn't mind being able to rip and or beat Shao Kahn's armor off. It would be a welcomed addition, at least for me. XD

Slippery-Slope argument but still funny as hell. Alright I'm sure the female and gay fans may not mind a gratuitous bulge here and there, I wouldn't go as far as to equate some cleavage with exposed flopping penis and balls, lol. It would kind of make sense for Goro considering what LITTLE he is wearing there should be significant bulge there, lol. Of course I've never spoken of wanting outright nudity per se, lol. I don't believe cleavage = nudity or completely exposed genitalia but I can sort of see your concerns. Rated R movies show exposed breasts and ass but very rarely show non-obfuscated genitals as that would bump up the ratings. I'm not sure how that translates into M rated games after seeing some of what they got away with in God of War but hey who knows. In Japan I've heard that you can show everything EXCEPT genitalia as those are almost always censored out but that's the extent of Japanese censorship even on regular TV. I don't think the question of "nudity" is on topic however. The girls (not even Mileena) are not topless or naked or anything else.. just wearing very little. Which should not be AS frightening or concerning as some people seem to be and that is what I am frightened/concerned with.

I'm FAR more frightened/concerned with the absurdity of people being absolutely okay with or even energized by the violence and gore they see but if a female shows cleavage some people start getting OFFENDED or throwing around words like slut, whore, or skank because of how the character is dressed. They say it's a disgrace but use disgracing language to describe a character they claim to be defending. It's kinda ridiculous and very immature. If we can just say "I don't think such a revealing outfit suits her" and further elaborate in a mature fashion rather then be all "Eww she's a whore! She must have cooties!" about it I would not be so annoyed.

I mean, thumbs up to Queve for that joke post "Mileena what is wrong with you girl". You brought up valid points about the ridiculousness in her outfit without resorting to those labels. Hell, when other people replied with that bullshit you said yourself that you wouldn't go as far as to describe her or the other female characters in that that way just that they should be slightly more covered which is perfectly agreeable.

Sonya could use an undershirt and some other spruce ups but otherwise we should be happy she at least looks as good as she does. She's never worn a costume that was U.S. Military appropriate, lol. As someone said earlier even from MK1 she was dressed like she was just getting back from the gym in her tight as hell work out spandex which was, for its day as far as game outfits was concerned, pretty sexy and provocative. Ever since Fatal Fury's Mai Shiranui game designers have had to really push the envelope to get that same laughable "What the hell is she wearing? Or rather what is that she's NOT wearing?" reaction out of people. Sonya could use a tight t-shirt and she'd still be sexy as hell but a little more modest and indeed MUCH MORE fitting to what little we know of her character's personality. We really don't know that much about how she sees herself or what she considers unacceptable attire. We can TRANSFER our own thoughts and prejudices on her character but that's about it really. To completely decide whether to respect/disrespect someone or calculate their abilities as a warrior based SOLELY on appearance is suicidal as well as foolish. Hell, that very narrow minded prejudice is what the archetypal "sexy femme fatale" is PREYING on when she wears the outfits she does. She WANTS you to think she is "no real warrior" or "just a harmless prostitute" because once you've got that attitude you'll be dead before you even realize it and she wins, goes home, slips out of the painful heels and atrociously uncomfortable corset, puts on PJs and a Snuggie and watches TV like everybody else.

I'm perfectly fine with the amount of clothing supplied for the females. This isn't the real world. This is the MK world where sex has always sold and clothes have always been optional. Its just that this time the team actually has the time and money to show what they've been implying since MK came out. blood and sex.

That sounds like a completely warped perception of MK.

Equivalents that actually have been about absurd levels of gratuitous sex and violence have done a fine job of representing that during this time. Time and money hasn't been stopping them from under designing and under dressing their characters.

I'll have to agree with those users who remark that some think it's TOTALLY ok for a guy to throw his hat down and saw you apart genitals first through your face and have you hanging in half as two bloody parts, but will gawk and moan when a woman is scantily clad. Something doesn't quite add up to me. I'm not saying that the female characters should be half naked, but how can you sacrifice one over the other. How can you possibly make a valid argument detesting overt female sexuality, but not the dismemberment/burning/slicing of a man or woman? If you also want to bemoan costumes not fitting a character, you can make the argument that a fatality from Kung Lao, Liu Kang or a good guy similar to them doesn't make much sense either. What would someone good be doing cutting you apart limb by limb? There's incongruencies everywhere in MK quite honestly, and most people are buying this game fully accepting its grotesque, over the top nature. It's a fantasy world, and a woman in heels with some boobage that can fan lift you just doesn't really bother me.

There's absolutely no comaprable correlation between these two fictional aspects of MK and what they mean to the series. It would be an incredibly dubious argument to make, one with no real grounding or logical form. It's a proposition that just as easily dismisses the existence of the sun and moon in the game, as any other interpretive realistic fact.

Fiction is not a magical solution to justify anything and everything.
The best fiction lives by rules and contrived consistency. MK has been around long enough to have established this tone and consistency, with relative references to stylized reality. That has never included interrupting characterization to such a degree, or acceptably releasing such mediocre design with contemporary technology available to them. Violence and sex don't have a 1:1 ratio, something Americans should know pretty well.

Many MK fans have been slow to realise this, but it is so.
One brand of fiction doesn't necessarily create another. Those who genuinely believe MK has always been about pubescent wet dreams probably spent too much time in their bedroom with Sheeva, MK Trilogy, and the pause button.

EDIT: Not that there isn't some merit to the notion of monks not killing. Hong Kong fooey and unreal feats of strength have always been much closer to the exposed, disembodied heart of MK, however. Martial arts bros came long before misguided design hoes.

Fiction is THE best magical solution to justify anything and everything. Where else could you do the impossible, fantastic, and outright nonsensical? Good grief, we had Santa Claus flying around in MK1 in front of the moon! Johnny Cage could decapitate you... three times! People exploded into chunks with five rib cages, three femurs, and two skulls! We have ninjas being turned into robots! People can turn into animals like land sharks and kangaroos! They can turn huge and stomp on people! Summon death-dealing arcade cabinets from the heavens! Suck the soul out of your body or, if they're ugly enough, scare the spirit from your flesh!

There ARE no rules beyond what the creators say there are. They are the gods in their domain and they can change the rules as they see fit. Dance, my puppets, dance!



I'd totally hit that....
... DON'T JUDGE ME!!!

The problem is half that crap on your list is regarded as well, crap. No one ever liked popcorn body parts or 12 ribcages. No one liked shiny animalities or any garbage like that. There might be an extreme minority that does of course, but if you asked most people should any of that stuff come back, their response would be "no".

Why is that, if fiction is so good? The team is attempting more realistic damage (though over the top, it is far less cartoony) as well as a more serious approach in general. This has been said time and time by Ed Boon himself, so I think it's bad to bring up all the silly nonsense from 2D MK in an attempt to defend what we're talking about now. If anything, you are proving that over the top fiction is not always a good idea.

Well, I certainly didn't say MK was "the best fiction", but even this series has lived long enough to develop clear lines of segragation, regardless of how a creative team might swerve in and out of them.
A central premise of tone and characterization has remained consistent while other wacky distractions have not. So, even for the most confused fan, it should be easy enough to recognise what is and isn't within the realm of a definitive Mortal Kombat concept and tone. Even the MK team, for all their wackiness, has never been above segregating details away from the canon of story and characters.

Internal references within the fiction certainly don't then provide a magical solution to justify anything and everything. Characterization has never had anything to do with one-time silhouettes, cheat menus, or other gimmicks. They aren't a magic justification for poor or inconsistent design and characterization, any more than the arbitrary inclusion of images in posts is magically a credible perspective.

^ This. And more importantly how is this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Kitana_mk9.png

all that different from this:

http://zonamortalkombat.site40.net/games/mkt/personajes/art_kitana.gif

I mean really???

I don't doubt for a minute that a big part of the problem is that cheap digitized swimsuits are the standard people are holding these designs to. Not my idea of a good time, but lord knows fifteen years hasn't done much to turn things around.

LMAO... I'm merely pointing out the obvious when it comes to people saying that Kitana's new look is "uncharacteristic" of her that by that argument EVERYTHING she has ever worn is therefore uncharacteristic of her.

And to be back on topic.. Sonya looks incredible but yeah somebody through the girl a T-shirt in either green, grey, or black (I hate the color white personally and I always played her alt in MKvsDC 'cause I thought the black looked better on her) and her gauntlets from MKvsDC! The rest is perfect though. And if she doesn't get a t-shirt OH WELL Jax and Johnny Cage can fight it out to see how gets to try and keep her warm. LOL... which will no doubt then lead to the winner getting stomped by Sonya herself regardless of what she is wearing at the time. Edit: Actually I DO have a small complaint. Her belt is not attached to the pants so she is clearly just using it as an accessory. Why not give her a utility belt of some kind if it's just there for accessory and not to hold up her pants?? That is all.

It's TOTALLY different! I mean, look at it!

1) In one of them, her hair is down. That implies she's "loose". Like, "let your hair down". In the other, she's all business. Obviously, the one with the longer hair is of looser morals.

2) Navel! Midriff! Le gasp! In one, the professional assassin had the courtesy to cover that offensive part of anatomy. The other is a harlot showing the world her umbilicus!

3) Gloves. Again, the proper woman keeps her hands clean. The "dirtier" version has no qualms about rummaging her fine fingers through blood and other disgusting body parts. Who KNOWS where those hands and fingers have been? *shudder*

4) Fans. Look at the professional woman. She has TWO fans. See, she is resourceful. If she loses one, she has another right there ready to cool her off. But the "loose" woman only has one. And it's tiny. She obviously is lacking in prepariation skills, or is simply too lazy to carry more than one fan. What if she gets really hot? That tiny fan won't cool her off very well, not as good as TWO fans by far. I wager she enjoys getting hot and wet for the men to leer at... what a little strumpet!

You know, I'm a little sick at all the "conservative" rap that's taking place in here. Whenever I say anything, it's all like "oh but not you Crow", well then who is it? I've gone through this topic and I can't find a single person complaining about this just for the sake of the characters having too little clothing on. The complaint always seems to be that having this amount of clothing on doesn't seem to fit in with the character.

It's ridiculous, and it doesn't make your argument any better to take cheap shots at phantom people that don't even exist. Let's just grow up and accept some people have different opinions on what characters should wear, for reasons not pertaining to 'conservative values' and move on. I can't help but feel like people are trying to demean the argument that a character's attire should make sense with (what that person) thinks of the character by basically making fun of it with this nonsense. It's childish. You can say I don't have a sense of humor if that makes you feel better, but I've looked at this for days and said nothing, and it's getting a little old at this point.

*insert picture of a dead horse with people beating it*