Yay...Candy Orton is the #1 contender now. Fucking retarded, I hate this garbage. WWE blows ass. I realy didn't mind orton as is, but now that the belt is involved, blah.

Anyone would be a better choice and more deserving than that tool. Benoit is a great champion who works his ass off day in and day out. Oh, yah, he has skillz to back shit up, too. Imagine that...and just WTF is going on with this tribal retard and the divas right now? 0_o Just another waste of time, WWE is really good!!

Zentile Wrote: Honestly, I just don't understand what the WWE sees in him... Maybe you'd like to explain, DamRho, since you think he does deserve the title?

I think you are clearly underrating Randy Orton, as well as most people. The Rock wasn't also a wrestler many people liked when he won his first title, and I guess we all pretty much have to admit that he's one of the greatest ever. It's true that Randy Orton is young and still has an awful lot to learn, but I don't think his acting skills are as bad as you put them. I think he has a good heel attitude and always gets nice heel heat which is the point of being a heel. I do have to admit that is in-ring skills are far inferior to Benoit's. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Benoit isn't a good wrestler! If I said Benoit was a bad wrestler I'd probably be better off washing tuna fishing or something like that. I just don't like is in-ring persona for two reasons. Mainly, I prefer heels and second I don't like wrestlers who just are (The Undertaker is great because he is The Undertaker, Chris Benoit is just... Chris Benoit! He's just a guy who seems to be acting normally (as in not acting at all), and if I'm gonna watch sports entertainment they'd better entertain me with some decent characters as well as good in-ring skills! Those are the reasons why I prefer guys like Triple H or The Undertaker over to Chris Benoit or Shelton Benjamin.
Randy Orton's finisher, the RKO, sure isn't one of the best I've seen around, but I'm not too impressed with most of the finishers anyway. I kind of thought the F5 Brock Lesnar used sucked ass and he was one hell of a wrestler.
Honestly saying I think Benoit is an estabilished wrestler whose career surely won't go to any galactical heights, while Randy Orton can still be brought into stardom; all he needs is a chance to suceed. I would rather see Rhyno or Batista win something on WWE than Orton but that's the way it is; they like Orton better and I think they're doing well in giving a young man his opportunity. If he fails, I'm sure there will be plenty of people getting him off the way. If he succeeds, then it can only be good for sports entertainment that we have a new superstar to contend with Benoit and the regular duo of WWE (Triple H e Shawn Michaels) for the World Heavyweight Championship.

Zentile Wrote: Wrestling is scripted, but that doesn't mean the wrestlers can just do anything the writers and coreographers tell them to. A good example of this is... well, Randy Orton. I'm sure it's not the coreographer's fault that he sucks. As far as I'm concerned, Benoit's gimmick is that he is one of the most realistic 'big' superstars there is right now, and the guy who can make anyone tap out. Alot better than some shit kid who is a ''legend killer'', even though he's really shit. The RKO is a freaking joke. I have no doupt it would hurt if he would do it to me, but would it really hurt as much as... say, the stone cold stunner, the pedigree or the crippler crossface? I think not. It's sorta like a tornado DDT...only even less effective. If Benoit has to lose the title to anyone, I'd rather have him lose the title to Kane. Even Batista has more talent than Orton.

What the fuck man? I never said Ortons gimmick was any better. I never compared their damn gimmicks! I just said I didn't like benoits, becuase he has one, and if you call a single fucking catchphrase a gimmick, then tahts you. And I don't think Orton deserves the title, I'm just saying Benoit doesn't either. And I think your missing the point of Ortons gimmick. He is not really a legend killer, but thats the point. He is an arrogant asshole that thinks he is great and says he is the future of WWe and the legend killer when the only claim to fame he has is his father and grandfather, who are ironicaly just the kind of "legends" he'd go after. It's not meant to be taken seriously, that would be like saying Chris Jericho is the undisputed champion of musical chairs for God's sake!

Wow 2 matches on Raw tonight wtf.Orton getting a title shot is bullshit wwe gets worst every week Orton has no talent imo hes boring lame shitty finisher ect. And what the hell enough of that damn diva search who gives a fuck its gay as hell wwe needs to die for putting this crap on tv.And i told you all if it wasnt obvious enough that Eugene was going to interfere and cost hhh the match this garbage is so predictble its sicking god what the hell has happen to wrestling its a damn freak show now.

WTF is going on with the WWE.Are all of the writers smoking crack,has Vince losted his mind!Someone please tell me why Bradshaw is champ and from the looks of it Orton will be soon.But better draws such as RVD gets no love.And guys like BookerT get leaser belts.And guys like Kane who has been hot since he lost his mask can't win a belt if his life depended on it?

I have watch WWF(ANd thats what I still call it)sice the early 80's,and I never remeber such weak plots and champs ever.The heavyweight belts mean nothing anymore if below avarage wreslers can win it... Bradshaw and Orton?!The tagteam division suck like never before.The cruiserweights have only two guys fighting for the belt Rey and Chavo.The US champ Booker T should be heavyweight champ(do the writers hate the Book man or what?!)

And it looks like some young kid will be are new champ Randy Orton.I like Randy,but he's not ready to be champ.I think he need at lease 2more years before they should push him.

And Bradshaw should have never became champion ever!JBL has as many heavywieght titles as Kane...and Kane only held the belt for 24 hours....WTF?!

Please someone tell me what's going on I love the WWF(WWE)but i'm starting to hate it or at lease whats going on with it.Since Vince has crushed WCW and ECW he doesn't seem to care what's going on with his company anymore.I hope things get better fast,because I cant take much more of this.

I don't know about you people but Orton winning and Trips losing might be what a lot of you have been hoping for. The beginning of the end of Evolution. It's not like Orton is gonna win.

I think JBL is doing fine but guys like RVD and Booker T are should be more prominent in the title hunt. Personally I'd rather see either of them with the title than Undertaker.

They really need to end this story with Kane and the pregnancy. It's just too absurd like that guy in white, I forget his name. The only way he'll get the title is if Benoit holds on and Evolution is out of the picture. Maybe someone from Evolution turns face and teams up with Eugene.
Or they could just let him take the IC title.

I think JBL has been a better Champion than people give him credit for. Ever sence he became Champion. hes been pretty entertaining cutting hilarious promos and doing funny tatics like shaking peoples hands and lubing his hand because the audence have germs. he always make me laugh everytime he does that. and he was absolutly gold in his promo with The Undertaker last SmackDown!. And his series of matches he had with Eddie Guerrero has actually been pretty good. also, hes actually getting alot of heat out there, crowds arn't just sitting on there hands when he walks out, people actually boo the hell out of him everytime he shows up on SmackDown! which is what a heel like JBL should be getting.I said it before and I'll say it again. JBL has been entertaining ever sence he became the JBL charater and hes actually been a better Champion than I thought he would be.

IF this was the same APA,beer drinking Bradshaw with the title than it wouldn't make any sence giving him the title. but the new JBL heel Bradshaw is so different and much more entertaining that he could actually be acceptable as a Main-Eventer.

I think the reason why people are still pissed about JBL holding the title is because of the fact that its still "Bradshaw". well, when The Rock became The Rock, he was still the same "Rocky Maivia". when Steve Austin became Stone Cold Steve Austin, he was still the same guy who was "The Ringmaster", When The Undertaker became The Undertaker, he was still the same guy who was "Mean Mark" from WCW. I mean, who would of thought that back than that some jobber named The Ringmaster would go on to be WWF Champion. same with JBL. he started off as a Tag team wrestler that went nowhere and the WWE pushed him as a Main-Eventer with completly new personal and now hes the WWE Champion. and a very entertaining one to.

and despite all that. I still want The Undertaker to win at Summerslam.

olympic_Hero Wrote: I still want The Undertaker to win at Summerslam.

Taker is da man! Dig it!



Oooooooh yeeeeeah!

The Macho Dragon

I think you guys are giving JBL a little too much credit.The reason he's getting heat is because the writers are pushing him.If they put as much push behind RVD or Booker T they would do more then there doing now.

And face it Rob and Booker have main event alot longer then Bradsaw has.JBL was split from Farooq and within two months was champion.Why was he pushed so hard is what I want to know.Did he do more then Farooq,cause I thought Farooq(AKA Ron Simmons)was a better wrestler the Bradsahw why wasn't he pushed instead.

All im saying is that i've see a lot better wrestlers then JBL not win the title and not be pushed as hard has him...and why,what did Bradshaw do that earned him the title.

TheDarkPrince Wrote: I think you guys are giving JBL a little too much credit.The reason he's getting heat is because the writers are pushing him.If they put as much push behind RVD or Booker T they would do more then there doing now. And face it Rob and Booker have main event alot longer then Bradsaw has.JBL was split from Farooq and within two months was champion.Why was he pushed so hard is what I want to know.Did he do more then Farooq,cause I thought Farooq(AKA Ron Simmons)was a better wrestler the Bradsahw why wasn't he pushed instead. All im saying is that i've see a lot better wrestlers then JBL not win the title and not be pushed as hard has him...and why,what did Bradshaw do that earned him the title.

That's the whole point of the "entertainment" part of it. If only those who really desearve to win got the titles then what would be the point of having heels? JBL is becoming a solid champion because people hate him, and he's a heel who's supposed to be hated. If everybody loved him then that would be a total failure for him.

Just about everybody within WWE is very high on Randy Orton, and they have much good to say about him. Orton is a guy that "gets" the wrestling business, and he is a star already in the eyes of the fans as well as other workers within the company. It is also felt by many that Orton will be the next top-level guy in WWE. Randy has also displayed a great attitude backstage, and is said to get along with all of the right people.

The decision for Randy Orton to win the battle royal on RAW for the rights to face Chris Benoit at Summerslam was based a lot on Randy's performances against Edge as of late. The company feels that he has been doing an excellent job in and out of the ring, and that he deserves a title shot.

We continue to hear that WWE wants to put the title on Orton, though that is not locked in at the moment. It is still a strong possibility, but at this point the lineup and details concerning the show are still being finalized.

Well, he might not be champ afterall, but then again, he probably will. And although I haven't been watching Smackdown!, I have found Bradshaws character to be entertaining.

Hmmm wonder what this means



Could mean something big for your boy Olympic_Hero

Thats a badass poster. but I doubt anything major will happen. he was also on last year's Unforgiven Poster and all he did was wrestle in a mid-card match against Shane McMahon.

Anyways, So sence Unforgiven gets Raw. than that means the rest of the year will be...

Unforgiven-Raw
No Mercy-SmackDown!
Halloween Havoc-Raw
Survivor Series- Both Brand
Armageddon-SmackDown!
Royal Rumble-Both Brand
No Way Out-SmackDown!

and so on. thank god thats all cleared up.

I thought Raw was not to bad last night. The main event Iron Man macth sucked, but was better than the Lesner/Angle one SD did, and I agree with all those who say that Orton doesn't deserve his title shot, it should go to someone more deserving like Batista, or hell even Edge and Kane deserve it more. LOL, that Kamala/Diva search angle was funny, but I still think that Diva Search is a joke and a waste of time. Sd should be ok this week, I'm curious to see if the reports of Teddy Long's GM run are true.
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-WWE has announced that the September PPV will be a Raw only PPV. It is somewhat surprising that Unforgiven will be Raw only, because of the fact that the previous month (July: Bad Blood) had a Raw only PPV, SummerSlam will feature Raw, and now Unforgiven (September) will be Raw only as well.

Here is a short preview posted on the Indemand Site:

Sun, Sept 12, 2004

A new fire burns inside the monster Kane. Don’t miss it as RAW presents WWE Unforgiven, Sunday, September 12, live on Events iN DEMAND pay-per-view.

- For a while there was talk that Eugene would be involved in the proposed Chris Benoit vs. Triple H match at Summerslam with it either being a Triple Threat match of sorts, or having Eugene be the special referee. WWE had built up tension between Benoit and Eugene on RAW in past weeks with the idea that the match would be a possibility, but now those plans have been scrapped.

- There has been some speculation as to which match will headline the Summerslam PPV. We all know that WWE tends to end PPV's on a high note usually with a babyface going over. If the proposed Benoit vs. Orton title match indeed takes place, and if Orton is scheduled to go over, it is quite possible that JBL vs. Undertaker will be the main event on the show - especially if Undertaker is winning the belt. There is no word on if that is what will happen though, rather pure speculation on the part of those close to the company.

- Brock Lesnar has done what he has set out to do, and that is sign with a pro NFL football team.

Today, the story broke in the Pioneer Press that former WWE champion Brock Lesnar has signed a $230,000 contract with the Minnesota Vikings, his hometown team.

After months of official comments from everyone from the players to the head coach of the Vikings making it sound as if they had little to no interest in Lesnar, he is now officially part of the team.

- The following is the card for SummerSlam as it stands now:

Confirmed or Planned:

World Title:
-Chris Benoit (c) vs. Randy Orton

WWE Title:
-John Bradshaw Layfield (c) vs. Undertaker

Singles Match:
-Kurt Angle vs. Eddie Guerrero

Singles Match:
-Triple H vs. Eugene

Rumored or Likely Matches:

U.S. Title:
-John Cena vs. Booker T

Cruiserweight Title:
-Rey Mysterio vs. Spike Dudley

Tag-Team Titles:
-Dudley Boyz vs. Paul London & Billy Kidman

I'm on Zentile's side with the Orton/Benoit issue. Benoit is deserves the title more than anyone else on the RAW lineup, and not because he's a face. It's because:

1. He's one of the best technical wrestlers of all time.

2. Good mic skills.

3. Been in the business for a long time and never gotten any real recognition for it.

As for the other candidates:

Triple H: Had the title for waaaay too long last year, and keeps getting nonstop title shots this year.

Orton: Push taken way too far, it's gone from impressive to downright annoying. And his "Legend Killer" gimmick is stupid.

Kane: Only real contender for the title, he's a great athlete with awesome mic skills, too bad WWE is too busy involving him in the friggin pregnancy storyline.

Shawn Michaels: Been in the business too long, needs to retire before he contracts Ric Flair Syndrome.

Eugene: Shameless gimmicky wrestler who's only puropose is to draw viewers and advance storylines.

NoObSaIbOt777, how can you say Shawn Micheals needs to retire before he gets 'Ric Flair Syndrome'? He's not been in the business as long as Falir. If anyone needs to retire because he can't go with the guys, it's Flair. Shawn can still go and puts on good matches. He's at least got 10 years left, if not more.

BTW, anyone see OTR? Flair was on there and it was a pretty good show.

NoObSaIbOt777 Wrote: I'm on Zentile's side with the Orton/Benoit issue. Benoit is deserves the title more than anyone else on the RAW lineup, and not because he's a face. It's because: 1. He's one of the best technical wrestlers of all time. 2. Good mic skills. 3. Been in the business for a long time and never gotten any real recognition for it. As for the other candidates: Triple H: Had the title for waaaay too long last year, and keeps getting nonstop title shots this year. Orton: Push taken way too far, it's gone from impressive to downright annoying. And his "Legend Killer" gimmick is stupid. Kane: Only real contender for the title, he's a great athlete with awesome mic skills, too bad WWE is too busy involving him in the friggin pregnancy storyline. Shawn Michaels: Been in the business too long, needs to retire before he contracts Ric Flair Syndrome.

I agree with your points about Benoit. except one thing. Good Mic Skills?? are you kidding me? Hes a great wrestler and all but hes just bland and boring when hes on the Mic IMO. Benoit is a fighting Champion so they should just keep him in the ring and off the microphone for god sakes.

As for Shawn Michaels. yes hes been in the busniess for a long time but thats still no excuse for him to retire. hes been in plenty of great matches sence his return so there no reason for him to retire. if a wrestler can still put on some great matches out there than it'd be a waste if he would just retire out of nowhere. I don't care how old a wrestler is or how long hes been in the busniess. if they can still wrestle a good match than theres absolutly no reason for him to leave.

Damn my fuckin computer. I hate it when I double post.

olympic_Hero Wrote: I agree with your points about Benoit. except one thing. Good Mic Skills?? are you kidding me? Hes a great wrestler and all but hes just bland and boring when hes on the Mic IMO. Benoit is a fighting Champion so they should just keep him in the ring and off the microphone for god sakes. As for Shawn Michaels. yes hes been in the busniess for a long time but thats still no excuse for him to retire. hes been in plenty of great matches sence his return so there no reason for him to retire. if a wrestler can still put on some great matches out there than it'd be a waste if he would just retire out of nowhere. I don't care how old a wrestler is or how long hes been in the busniess. if they can still wrestle a good match than theres absolutly no reason for him to leave.

Yeah Benoit's mic skills need a little work, and thanks for supporting Micheals.

HBK still owns. You guys are being tough on Flair though. He's nowhere near as good as he was, but better than a lot of Raw's talent IMO.

As far as Orton goes, I didn't like the news at first, but at least someone besides Triple H is getting a title shot.

Looking foward to Taker vs. JBL at Summerslam!

TheMkGeek Wrote: olympic_Hero Wrote: I agree with your points about Benoit. except one thing. Good Mic Skills?? are you kidding me? Hes a great wrestler and all but hes just bland and boring when hes on the Mic IMO. Benoit is a fighting Champion so they should just keep him in the ring and off the microphone for god sakes. As for Shawn Michaels. yes hes been in the busniess for a long time but thats still no excuse for him to retire. hes been in plenty of great matches sence his return so there no reason for him to retire. if a wrestler can still put on some great matches out there than it'd be a waste if he would just retire out of nowhere. I don't care how old a wrestler is or how long hes been in the busniess. if they can still wrestle a good match than theres absolutly no reason for him to leave. Yeah Benoit's mic skills need a little work, and thanks for supporting Micheals.

little work my ass

TheDarkPrince Wrote: And face it Rob and Booker have main event alot longer then Bradsaw has.JBL was split from Farooq and within two months was champion.Why was he pushed so hard is what I want to know.Did he do more then Farooq,cause I thought Farooq(AKA Ron Simmons)was a better wrestler the Bradsahw why wasn't he pushed instead.

I also thought Faarooq was the better wrestler in fact the was the first african american to win the NWA/WCW title. I'm also pretty sure that that's why they hired Simmons in the first place. I guess they ran out of main event heels but then again Booker has been a heel the whole time he was on Smackdown.

ive been a wrestling fan for years and im glad to hear that Orton gets a shot for the title, i like Orton... as for Eugene hes one of my favs in there right now, i actually didnt like it when they just wanted to use him for comedy but when i saw that hes actually a good wrestler and he brings back a lot of classic WWF moves from the greats...

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Smacdown looks great!!!!!!! Its regaing its steam!!!! here are the results that i remember

Spike Dudley d Rey for the cruiserweight title after Dvon helps!

Kurt in actioin next week

Teddy is new GM

London/Kidman d Dudleyz to reatain after Rey interfered

Spike/Rey vs Dudleys next week

Booker T wins US championship in a 8 man elimination match

Finish was great .... Cena was Eliminated via RVD frog Splash and Booker got the Pin, folowed by a Huge Scissors Kick via RVD to win the US championship

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