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06/27/2007 09:56 PM (UTC)
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gnrlies1992 Wrote:
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What the hell are you talking about, Nancy didn't cooperate.


uh...did you read the posts above?

lastfighter89 Wrote:
another little weird detail.
i've read on a italian site,that nancy did not defend herself.
it seems that nancy co-operate with chris,when he bind her.

weird.
I hope this new is...fake or real?

because if it's real means that the problem was of entire Benoit family.
If this is fake,means that benoit is a killer,without excuse.


Well if an italian site said so, I guess it's true!!! Certainly has alot more credibility then police reports that say that Nancy was found with blood under her head which indicated a struggle!!!
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06/27/2007 10:54 PM (UTC)
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TheMkGeek Wrote:
5animals Wrote:

P.S. actualy the bible next to them is kinda weird. That makes it seem like he went totaly insane, or was serial killer-esque as does siting there with the bodies for a time.


Another way that you can look at it, is that maybe at the time he did it, he didn't know what he was doing cause he wasn't in the "right frame of mind" then afterwards, realized what he had done, in asking for "forgiveness from god" put the bibles next to them, then, out of severe guilt, killed himself. Now, I just say that, cause, like you all, I'm still trying to make sense of the whole situation, which is pretty fucked up. I think what we fans need to do, is sure, this tragedy is bad, and puts a dark cloud over the sport we love to watch, but at the same time, remember that Benoit was/is once a good man and a great performer, whom we all loved to watch perform.





I've thought about that but I think it would be weird if he hadn't written a note after becoming lucid and before killing himself.

Perhaps something that helped Benoit snap was the death of Biff Welliington, a former tag team partner and friend of Benoit. Maybe all the dying just drove Benoit to insanity.
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06/27/2007 11:43 PM (UTC)
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Fuck vince, for his comment saying Benoits name was not to be mentiond.

Though he did a bad thing, a very bad thing.

Can you not be upset for the loss of someone who entertained us so well.

The man was a fucking God in the ring, and in the ring is all we knew him for, lets keep it at that and may him rest in peace.
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I agree with you mk geek and zentile I just didn't word it properly. What I should have said is: This makes me feel like two things are possible. 1)That he was a super obsessed religious wacko who went on a killing spree, serial killer style or 2)He snapped utterly and then wanted to repent. Once he became "aware" he killed himself out of greif and sadness.
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06/28/2007 01:52 AM (UTC)
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Zentile Wrote:
TheMkGeek Wrote:
5animals Wrote:

P.S. actualy the bible next to them is kinda weird. That makes it seem like he went totaly insane, or was serial killer-esque as does siting there with the bodies for a time.


Another way that you can look at it, is that maybe at the time he did it, he didn't know what he was doing cause he wasn't in the "right frame of mind" then afterwards, realized what he had done, in asking for "forgiveness from god" put the bibles next to them, then, out of severe guilt, killed himself. Now, I just say that, cause, like you all, I'm still trying to make sense of the whole situation, which is pretty fucked up. I think what we fans need to do, is sure, this tragedy is bad, and puts a dark cloud over the sport we love to watch, but at the same time, remember that Benoit was/is once a good man and a great performer, whom we all loved to watch perform.



I've thought about that but I think it would be weird if he hadn't written a note after becoming lucid and before killing himself.

Perhaps something that helped Benoit snap was the death of Biff Welliington, a former tag team partner and friend of Benoit. Maybe all the dying just drove Benoit to insanity.


He wouldn't write a suicide not, cause maybe he felt there was no need for one, cause how would he explain anything in it, and be expected to be taken seriously? And when did Biff Wellington die?

And skinsley, that's exactly what I thought as well. He needs to be remembered for what he was and not just for what he did this last week.

Please read the next post, kinda seems to put a little bit of this in perspective, though still doesn't justify it in any way. Sorry for the long-winded posts, I don't know how to post links to articles.
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06/28/2007 01:54 AM (UTC)
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** (WWE) Benoit Saw Personal Doctor Day Before He Died **

AccessNorthGa.com has posted the following Associated Press story on their site: Professional wrestler Chris Benoit met with his personal physician hours before he allegedly killed his wife and son and then hanged himself in his basement, the doctor said Wednesday.

"He was in my office on Friday to stop by just to see my staff," said Dr. Phil Astin of metro Atlanta. "He certainly didn't show any signs of any distress or rage or anything."

Authorities say Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son Daniel and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself with a weight-machine pulley over the weekend. No motive was offered for the killings, which were spread out over the weekend and discovered Monday.

Astin, who said he was Benoit's longtime friend and physician, said he had prescribed testosterone to Benoit because he suffered from low amounts of the hormone. He said the condition likely originated from previous steroid use. He would not say what, if any, medications he prescribed the day of the meeting.

"I'm still very surprised and shocked, especially with his child Daniel involved," said Benoit. "He worshipped his child."

Investigators said Benoit's 43-year-old wife was strangled Friday with what appeared to be a cable in an upstairs family room, and her feet and wrists were bound and there was blood under her head, indicating a possible struggle. Daniel was probably killed late Saturday or early Sunday, and his body was found in his bed, the district attorney said.

Before the killings, the family was struggling with how to care for the child, who suffered from a rare medical condition called Fragile X Syndrome, an inherited form of mental retardation often accompanied by autism, said Jerry McDevitt, an attorney for World Wrestling Entertainment.

"Him and Nancy were clearly struggling about this whole issue, about how to take care of Daniel," said McDevitt.

"I don't know what he confronted when he went back into the house," he said. "No one really knows that. We'll have to see. Clearly this issue of the son was a stressor on both of their relationships for some time."

District Attorney Scott Ballard said the autopsy indicated that there were no bruise marks on his neck, so authorities are now assuming he could have been killed using a choke hold. "It's a process of elimination," he said.

Anabolic steroids were found in Benoit's home, leading officials to wonder whether the drugs may have caused the muscle man nicknamed the "Canadian Crippler" to kill his wife and child and then himself.

The WWE, based in Stamford, Conn., issued a news release Tuesday evening saying steroids "were not and could not be related to the cause of death" and that the findings indicate "deliberation, not rage." It also added that Benoit tested negative April 10, the last time he was tested for drugs.

"The drugs they had found in there, including the steroids, were all pursuant to legitimate prescription. We know they know which doctor prescribed it," McDevitt said. "There's no question, none of these drugs are out there, none of these drugs came from Internet pharmacies."

While steroids can cause the paranoia and explosive outbursts known as "roid rage," the drug is also associated with deep and lengthy bouts of depression.

"Just as you have the extreme high of when you're on steroids, you can get the opposite," said Dr. Todd Schlifstein, a clinical assistant professor at the New York University School of Medicine. "You can have a dramatic difference in mood swings. You can feel there's no hope, there's no future."
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06/28/2007 03:18 PM (UTC)
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On WWE.com there is now a video of Vince disscussing the issue on the Today show

They are mainly talking about steriod use and if it was involved, and former wrestlers who died of drugs. They metion Mr. Perfect,Eddie, and I think they even say Owen Hart.
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06/28/2007 03:32 PM (UTC)
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Well, if they mention Owen in that type of discussion, then they are truly just talking out of their asses. Then again, the media never pays attention to wrestling until something tragic like this takes place, so I doubt most of these people have the first clue as to what they're trying to discuss.
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06/29/2007 04:07 AM (UTC)
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Well, if they mention Owen in that type of discussion, then they are truly just talking out of their asses. Then again, the media never pays attention to wrestling until something tragic like this takes place, so I doubt most of these people have the first clue as to what they're trying to discuss.


Owen never did drugs did he?
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06/29/2007 04:43 AM (UTC)
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~Crow~ Wrote:
Well, if they mention Owen in that type of discussion, then they are truly just talking out of their asses. Then again, the media never pays attention to wrestling until something tragic like this takes place, so I doubt most of these people have the first clue as to what they're trying to discuss.


Owen never did drugs did he?


I can't say for sure, but he certainly didn't die as a result of them.
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06/29/2007 11:17 AM (UTC)
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He probably did but they were in no way a factor to his death. Did anyone see that interview with Brian Christopher? That was absurd, they completely manipulated what he said and tried to get in as many deaths as possible and make it sound like steroids were the cause. Fucking media.
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06/29/2007 05:35 PM (UTC)
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that's why i hate watching interviews. not all the wrestlers who passed away in the past died due to steirods. most of them died by natural causes or heart attacks. at least that i know of.
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06/29/2007 06:54 PM (UTC)
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that's why i hate watching interviews. not all the wrestlers who passed away in the past died due to steirods. most of them died by natural causes or heart attacks. at least that i know of.


Interviews can easily be manipulated, so I agree with that part of your post. However a great number of those "heart attacks" are because of steroids and other dugs, mostly pain killers. Noone dies before 50 of natural causes. Owen Heart's death had nothing to do with that of course, and it is rediculous to even mention his name in such a situation. He died because proper safety precausions were ignored, or overlooked, while performing a stunt.

Alot of wrestlers have dropped at very early ages, especialy as of late. Most cases are because of excesive weight and drug abuse that lead to major heart problems. The N.F.L. has a very similar problem with its larger players, and some high school and college student are begining to have problems with this as well. Obesity is a major issue, and adding hours of rigorous physical labor and drug abuse to that is a formula for a heart attack. Also, even if you are not obese, the heart cannot handle the added strain that is huge amounts of muscle mass. Some of those people are just unlucky enough to be so tall as well. Excesive height is rarely a good thing for your heart. It takes so much more efffort for the heart to pump blood to the body when it is so long. Basicaly what I am trying to say is that being huge usualy means not living a very long life, even if you apear to be healthy.
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06/29/2007 08:20 PM (UTC)
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This has been so crazy. I, like all of you, have been watching news reports on everything from CBC, CTV (Canadian news channels), as well as on CNN, hell, even ET and the Insider are getting in on it. It's absolutely wild. I also don't know what to make of all of the "allegations" as to what led Benoit to do it. His marrital problems to Nancy, the alleged "menatal" disability that Daniel may or may not have had. I don't know, all I know is that we'll never know, even if the autopsy reports some how magically reveal how Benoit did the killings, and the toxicology reports reveal what may or may not have been in his system (hell for all we know he could've had food poisoning), we'll never know 100% what happened or why, cause you can't read a dead man's mind!

Here's a suggestion that you can comment on: fellow MK Online user MyQueenSindel, has his own thread titled "OMG Chris Benoit!", so I thought that everyone who wants to discuss this can go to that thread, then we can move on in this one, getting back to discussing wrasslin'.

For example, what did everyone think of TNA last night?
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06/29/2007 09:06 PM (UTC)
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TheMkGeek Wrote:

For example, what did everyone think of TNA last night?


Missed it. What happend?
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06/29/2007 09:15 PM (UTC)
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5animals Wrote:
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that's why i hate watching interviews. not all the wrestlers who passed away in the past died due to steirods. most of them died by natural causes or heart attacks. at least that i know of.


Interviews can easily be manipulated, so I agree with that part of your post. However a great number of those "heart attacks" are because of steroids and other dugs, mostly pain killers. Noone dies before 50 of natural causes. Owen Heart's death had nothing to do with that of course, and it is rediculous to even mention his name in such a situation. He died because proper safety precausions were ignored, or overlooked, while performing a stunt.

Alot of wrestlers have dropped at very early ages, especialy as of late. Most cases are because of excesive weight and drug abuse that lead to major heart problems. The N.F.L. has a very similar problem with its larger players, and some high school and college student are begining to have problems with this as well. Obesity is a major issue, and adding hours of rigorous physical labor and drug abuse to that is a formula for a heart attack. Also, even if you are not obese, the heart cannot handle the added strain that is huge amounts of muscle mass. Some of those people are just unlucky enough to be so tall as well. Excesive height is rarely a good thing for your heart. It takes so much more efffort for the heart to pump blood to the body when it is so long. Basicaly what I am trying to say is that being huge usualy means not living a very long life, even if you apear to be healthy.


well i know owen didn't die from steroids, i saw the ppv and that was scary. i've noticed that the majority of the wrestlers who have died were large and huge, as well as drug abuses like crash holly, eddie gurrero (Even though he stopped, the effects finally caught up to him) and bam bam bigelow. the only thing i need to ask is "why do wrestlers need steorids?" i mean come on, you're already buff enough, is more muscles really worth killing your braincells and stuff like that? and i never would have thought for once that benoit took steorids.
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06/29/2007 09:22 PM (UTC)
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On the side note to Mike Awsome and his death

According to sources, Awesome was told by his wife that she was unhappy and wanted a divorce. Upon hearing the news, Awesome physically confronted his wife by grabbing her by the throat and throwing her against or into a wall.

Awesome's wife called police and had Mike arrested for domestic abuse. While in jail Awesome was told by his wife that she was leaving him, taking his money, and, again according to sources, told the former ECW Champion that she "hated" him. She then took what she could from their home, threw out certain things that belonged to Awesome, and left.

Sources claim that Awesome was beyond distraught and very depressed about the marriage, which he felt was stable and secure, all of a sudden being stripped out from under him. All of this transpiring while Awesome was still in jail, it should be noted.

Shortly after returning home from jail, with nothing left to come back to, Awesome hanged himself. Friends discovered the body shortly afterwards.

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06/29/2007 09:52 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Frost055 Wrote:
5animals Wrote:
Sub-Frost055 Wrote:
that's why i hate watching interviews. not all the wrestlers who passed away in the past died due to steirods. most of them died by natural causes or heart attacks. at least that i know of.


Interviews can easily be manipulated, so I agree with that part of your post. However a great number of those "heart attacks" are because of steroids and other dugs, mostly pain killers. Noone dies before 50 of natural causes. Owen Heart's death had nothing to do with that of course, and it is rediculous to even mention his name in such a situation. He died because proper safety precausions were ignored, or overlooked, while performing a stunt.

Alot of wrestlers have dropped at very early ages, especialy as of late. Most cases are because of excesive weight and drug abuse that lead to major heart problems. The N.F.L. has a very similar problem with its larger players, and some high school and college student are begining to have problems with this as well. Obesity is a major issue, and adding hours of rigorous physical labor and drug abuse to that is a formula for a heart attack. Also, even if you are not obese, the heart cannot handle the added strain that is huge amounts of muscle mass. Some of those people are just unlucky enough to be so tall as well. Excesive height is rarely a good thing for your heart. It takes so much more efffort for the heart to pump blood to the body when it is so long. Basicaly what I am trying to say is that being huge usualy means not living a very long life, even if you apear to be healthy.


well i know owen didn't die from steroids, i saw the ppv and that was scary. i've noticed that the majority of the wrestlers who have died were large and huge, as well as drug abuses like crash holly, eddie gurrero (Even though he stopped, the effects finally caught up to him) and bam bam bigelow. the only thing i need to ask is "why do wrestlers need steorids?" i mean come on, you're already buff enough, is more muscles really worth killing your braincells and stuff like that? and i never would have thought for once that benoit took steorids.


I can't beleive Crash Holly ever did drugs. Just looking at him you would never think he'd dothat
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06/29/2007 11:24 PM (UTC)
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superawesomeness Wrote:
TheMkGeek Wrote:

For example, what did everyone think of TNA last night?


Missed it. What happend?


they had a match between Angle (c), Christian Cage, and Rhyno, to determine who will be Samoa Joe's parnter for their upcoming night of champions match at Victory Road. Angle retained the title in an ok match, so it'll be him and Samoa Joe going up against whoever are the tag champs after next week's Impact.

Team 3D versus LAX, AJ Styles/Christopher Daniels and one other team
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I'm not really interested in wrestling, so no thanks.
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06/29/2007 11:30 PM (UTC)
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A few things to address here. Steroids do not just make you bigger, they also give you mad amounts of energy and make you recover more quickly from inujry. Remember that last line because it is the crux of my point.

Now ask yourself some question? How many matches does a wrestler appear in over the course of a year? How many serious injuries do they incur in their lifetime? How hard is it to get a chance to work out when you are already working that hard in the ring and still have time for a family? How much competition is there in the wrestling industry, and how hard is it to compete with younger, faster, stronger, better acting performers? How much bigger can they be than the competition if they use roids. How hard is it to wrestle against a man that is on roids if you are not? These things alone should tell you why performers take them.

Another thing, if you can't beleive that Benoit was on roids than I don't think you are paying attention to him over the last 15 years or so. Look at some of his pictures from when he was say in his mid 20's and then look at him at 35. He got bigger, stronger, and more fit......hmmm Bary Bonds anybody? People simply do not stay fit, or get more fit when they enter into their late 30's and early 40's unless they have a major change in diet and exersice. A guy like this that was already in good shape from exersise is not going to get stronger at his age without some kind of big addition (ie...roids and fat burners) I am not trying to insult anyone or to look down on Benoit, I am just spreading some information and using, what I thought was, common sence.
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06/30/2007 12:44 AM (UTC)
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TheMkGeek Wrote:
superawesomeness Wrote:
TheMkGeek Wrote:

For example, what did everyone think of TNA last night?


Missed it. What happend?


they had a match between Angle (c), Christian Cage, and Rhyno, to determine who will be Samoa Joe's parnter for their upcoming night of champions match at Victory Road. Angle retained the title in an ok match, so it'll be him and Samoa Joe going up against whoever are the tag champs after next week's Impact.

Team 3D versus LAX, AJ Styles/Christopher Daniels and one other team


I won't be surprised if they do Angle and Samoa Joe. TNA have been using them together alot.
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06/30/2007 01:42 AM (UTC)
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Ok, benoit didnt kill his family. I dont have proff of this but neither do they. It was the sheriff who said he "asumed" Benoit did that stuff and everybody ate it up like a snake eats a mouse. Lets see here, they said there wasnt any steroids in his blood stream, so kick that one out and what do ya get? A triple murder. They were all murdered. Its common sense really. If he had a steroid problem, the chairman would have seen that ,I.E. Hulk Hogan. Im gunna tell you this right now. He had no reason to go insane, they have no proof, and the bibles, definatly seriel killer thing. He was hanged, his kid was probably sufficated with a pillow, an d the wife was probablytied up and didnt cooperate with the murderer so he killed her. This is a real assumption. Oh yeah and its kind of funny how this one guy posted Nacy's death even before anyone knew about it., in the wiki. ttriple homicide.





This is not a fact but a real assumption by the way. An assumption that is actually better than the sheriff's.
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06/30/2007 03:26 AM (UTC)
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GrotesquetheBeast Wrote:
I'm not really interested in wrestling, so no thanks.


So why the fuck did you post here then? Hopefully you won't feel the need to post again.
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06/30/2007 03:27 AM (UTC)
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HellrazerHD Wrote:
Ok, benoit didnt kill his family. I dont have proff of this but neither do they. It was the sheriff who said he "asumed" Benoit did that stuff and everybody ate it up like a snake eats a mouse. Lets see here, they said there wasnt any steroids in his blood stream, so kick that one out and what do ya get? A triple murder. They were all murdered. Its common sense really. If he had a steroid problem, the chairman would have seen that ,I.E. Hulk Hogan. Im gunna tell you this right now. He had no reason to go insane, they have no proof, and the bibles, definatly seriel killer thing. He was hanged, his kid was probably sufficated with a pillow, an d the wife was probablytied up and didnt cooperate with the murderer so he killed her. This is a real assumption. Oh yeah and its kind of funny how this one guy posted Nacy's death even before anyone knew about it., in the wiki. ttriple homicide.

This is not a fact but a real assumption by the way. An assumption that is actually better than the sheriff's.


Interesting theory. Ok, here's more on the Wikipedia story I found online:

From ABCNews.com

The computers used for the Wikipedia postings heard all around the past few days about the Nancy Benoit incident have been seized by the police.

Full article can be read by going to http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/Story?id=3327310&page;=1.

Portion of the article below:

"We know who the person is," Pope said, adding that police wouldn't reveal his or her identity until early next week. By then they hope to have determined whether the person was implicated in what police earlier this week called a double murder-homicide.
If the person had knowledge of the death before police discovered the body, he or she could face criminal charges.

The anonymous Wikipedia poster confessed early this morning to changing the entry for professional wrestler Chris Benoit to mention that his wife was dead -- 14 hours before the police had even discovered the bodies of Benoit, his wife and 7-year-old son, Daniel.
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