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i don't know...i think i could've dealt with the endings if there truly was a FINAL ending as was orginally promised. but as the days go on and i see no final ending in sight, i begin to worry.
p.s. and i swear if they're just holding out on it so that the wii can have extra content....I WILL BE PISSED.....but at lease we'll have an ending.
p.s. and i swear if they're just holding out on it so that the wii can have extra content....I WILL BE PISSED.....but at lease we'll have an ending.

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Would some crusty Midway rep railing out crap they make up AFTER the game is released make you feel better about it? Not to mention their bio's would have to tie into their endings in some way, just imagine how that'll end up.
Smoke: After getting ditched by Noob he heard that he could realize his dream of turning into a big cloud that covers and becomes a realm if he killed the fire monster on top of the pyramid for some reason.
Or they could just bunch it all up into one big bio kinda like how the endings seem to go in one direction.
Everyone: "There's Blaze, lets get 'im! If we kill him we'll become a god for some reason that doesn't make a lick of sense."
Seriously, they screwed up big, and posting some more crap they pulled out their asses to cover their mistake certainly isn't going to make it any better. It would just be a kop-out, and give them a kop-out for future games. Giving Midway the idea that they can get out of making shitty games by releasing a little extra crap afterwards is a scary thought.
I say it's not worth it at all.
Smoke: After getting ditched by Noob he heard that he could realize his dream of turning into a big cloud that covers and becomes a realm if he killed the fire monster on top of the pyramid for some reason.
Or they could just bunch it all up into one big bio kinda like how the endings seem to go in one direction.
Everyone: "There's Blaze, lets get 'im! If we kill him we'll become a god for some reason that doesn't make a lick of sense."
Seriously, they screwed up big, and posting some more crap they pulled out their asses to cover their mistake certainly isn't going to make it any better. It would just be a kop-out, and give them a kop-out for future games. Giving Midway the idea that they can get out of making shitty games by releasing a little extra crap afterwards is a scary thought.
I say it's not worth it at all.
^^^ You are exactly right man ^^^
Its not really for the best to be asking for them to make bios and post online. They screwed up the story completely with Konquest, and they screwed up 62 endings for characters. If they made bios they would have to coincide with the story at hand, therefore the bios would be a joke just like Konquest and the endings. The only way to really fix the story, is to go back into Konquest and put more depth and story into it explaining what happend to everybody and how Armageddon came about after the events that occured at the end of Deception (instead of just saying everybody is summoned) because that makes everybody look like zombies runnin after some braaaaiiinnnsss. Then they could put bios up for everybody in the kontent section (if they were to put a kontent section in the game), and we could see everybody's bios, their first bio could explain what happend to them in Deception, and then their second bios, which we've always had to unlock in the past, could explain what they are doing in Armageddon and why they want Blaze's essence so bad. Then maybe they could go in and fix the endings.
That is the only thing that is gonna completely fix the story of Armageddon, making up some bios and putting them online wont fix the Konquest story, and wont fix the endings, because it would have to coinside with the crappy story and endings we already have.
Its not really for the best to be asking for them to make bios and post online. They screwed up the story completely with Konquest, and they screwed up 62 endings for characters. If they made bios they would have to coincide with the story at hand, therefore the bios would be a joke just like Konquest and the endings. The only way to really fix the story, is to go back into Konquest and put more depth and story into it explaining what happend to everybody and how Armageddon came about after the events that occured at the end of Deception (instead of just saying everybody is summoned) because that makes everybody look like zombies runnin after some braaaaiiinnnsss. Then they could put bios up for everybody in the kontent section (if they were to put a kontent section in the game), and we could see everybody's bios, their first bio could explain what happend to them in Deception, and then their second bios, which we've always had to unlock in the past, could explain what they are doing in Armageddon and why they want Blaze's essence so bad. Then maybe they could go in and fix the endings.
That is the only thing that is gonna completely fix the story of Armageddon, making up some bios and putting them online wont fix the Konquest story, and wont fix the endings, because it would have to coinside with the crappy story and endings we already have.
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^^^ You are exactly right man ^^^
Its not really for the best to be asking for them to make bios and post online. They screwed up the story completely with Konquest, and they screwed up 62 endings for characters. If they made bios they would have to coincide with the story at hand, therefore the bios would be a joke just like Konquest and the endings. The only way to really fix the story, is to go back into Konquest and put more depth and story into it explaining what happend to everybody and how Armageddon came about after the events that occured at the end of Deception (instead of just saying everybody is summoned) because that makes everybody look like zombies runnin after some braaaaiiinnnsss. Then they could put bios up for everybody in the kontent section (if they were to put a kontent section in the game), and we could see everybody's bios, their first bio could explain what happend to them in Deception, and then their second bios, which we've always had to unlock in the past, could explain what they are doing in Armageddon and why they want Blaze's essence so bad. Then maybe they could go in and fix the endings.
That is the only thing that is gonna completely fix the story of Armageddon, making up some bios and putting them online wont fix the Konquest story, and wont fix the endings, because it would have to coinside with the crappy story and endings we already have.
^^^ You are exactly right man ^^^
Its not really for the best to be asking for them to make bios and post online. They screwed up the story completely with Konquest, and they screwed up 62 endings for characters. If they made bios they would have to coincide with the story at hand, therefore the bios would be a joke just like Konquest and the endings. The only way to really fix the story, is to go back into Konquest and put more depth and story into it explaining what happend to everybody and how Armageddon came about after the events that occured at the end of Deception (instead of just saying everybody is summoned) because that makes everybody look like zombies runnin after some braaaaiiinnnsss. Then they could put bios up for everybody in the kontent section (if they were to put a kontent section in the game), and we could see everybody's bios, their first bio could explain what happend to them in Deception, and then their second bios, which we've always had to unlock in the past, could explain what they are doing in Armageddon and why they want Blaze's essence so bad. Then maybe they could go in and fix the endings.
That is the only thing that is gonna completely fix the story of Armageddon, making up some bios and putting them online wont fix the Konquest story, and wont fix the endings, because it would have to coinside with the crappy story and endings we already have.
If they tried to fix the story in any way possible,the final result could not possibly be worse than what we already have. From this point,there is only room for improvement. -_- Besides,Vogel's e-mail said that he and his crack team of writers were trying their best to explain the story incosistencies. I respect Vogel as a writer,and I'm sure he would've found an explanation for the fact that Frost is all of a sudden in the Lin Kuei Compound,among other things.
And the endings are simply way too fucking stupid. I think it should be bloody obvious that none of them are canon.

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Tgrant, do you think there is any chance we can put a little pressure on the MK team to create bios anyways and post them online? I agree with everything you said, but I think if we can get them to still create bios even if its not in the actual game, MKA's name can be saved. I mean the game is pretty much what I expected minus the storyline. I think if they have bios telling what every character's purpose in MK Armageddon is the story can still be saved.
Anyways if this is brought up again at a fight night MKO needs to do a better job in wording questions where the development team cant dodge the questions as easily. State it as a fact that the storyline is atrocious and that fans want to see biographies posted online and ask if the devlopment team will take the time to get them online. Dont accept anything that is not a yes or no, if they start going into how they want to but cant, do follow up questions like what would stop them from making bios... bring them to a yes or no answer.
Tgrant, do you think there is any chance we can put a little pressure on the MK team to create bios anyways and post them online? I agree with everything you said, but I think if we can get them to still create bios even if its not in the actual game, MKA's name can be saved. I mean the game is pretty much what I expected minus the storyline. I think if they have bios telling what every character's purpose in MK Armageddon is the story can still be saved.
Anyways if this is brought up again at a fight night MKO needs to do a better job in wording questions where the development team cant dodge the questions as easily. State it as a fact that the storyline is atrocious and that fans want to see biographies posted online and ask if the devlopment team will take the time to get them online. Dont accept anything that is not a yes or no, if they start going into how they want to but cant, do follow up questions like what would stop them from making bios... bring them to a yes or no answer.
I have no idea, man. Given the recent report that the bios don't exist, I doubt they'd take the time to have some written. They wouldn't profit from it. To them it'd probably be a waste of time. I don't think I'd trust them to do a good job with it anyway. They'd probably take a quick and easy route and the bios wouldn't be as detailed or as accurate as they could be.
As for the Fight Night, I don't think extreme negativity would be allowed amongst the questions sadly. Though as long as they're not too dramatic, I think they would be answered. It'd probably be better if alot of people posted the same questions in relation to the story.
Detox Wrote:
i don't know...i think i could've dealt with the endings if there truly was a FINAL ending as was orginally promised. but as the days go on and i see no final ending in sight, i begin to worry.
p.s. and i swear if they're just holding out on it so that the wii can have extra content....I WILL BE PISSED.....but at lease we'll have an ending.
i don't know...i think i could've dealt with the endings if there truly was a FINAL ending as was orginally promised. but as the days go on and i see no final ending in sight, i begin to worry.
p.s. and i swear if they're just holding out on it so that the wii can have extra content....I WILL BE PISSED.....but at lease we'll have an ending.
That would anger me a great deal. Extra characters like Khameleon I wouldn't mind being on the Wii. But to put all the bios on the Wii version and not the PS2 and XBox versions would be downright stupid.
I'm sure many would be peeved and feel robbed.
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Meh. Trust me. I have NEVER played mk for the story. I have played it for the great gameplay and blood.
if you want a good story go and play an action adventure game. Oh and every other fighting game out there has a crappy story. (Just look at tekken! "pukes") Therefore. FISSION MAILED!
if you want a good story go and play an action adventure game. Oh and every other fighting game out there has a crappy story. (Just look at tekken! "pukes") Therefore. FISSION MAILED!
ok there has to be some explanation to why the story sucked. cause i think we can all kind of agree that past mortal kombat games have had good story lines. like that one dude said theres only room for improvement at this point. i really think we should try and do something to get somekind of fix wether it be with the WII version or like what they did with MK3 and redo the game like three times which i never got why they did that, ofcourse i never really did play that one much. but the point is i don't think midway is going to ignore the fans if we cause a big enough uprising or whatever you want to call it then they'll fix the game. but hey maybe i'm just livin' in a dream world.
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Neon_Spec Wrote:
Meh. Trust me. I have NEVER played mk for the story. I have played it for the great gameplay and blood.
if you want a good story go and play an action adventure game. Oh and every other fighting game out there has a crappy story. (Just look at tekken! "pukes") Therefore. FISSION MAILED!
Meh. Trust me. I have NEVER played mk for the story. I have played it for the great gameplay and blood.
if you want a good story go and play an action adventure game. Oh and every other fighting game out there has a crappy story. (Just look at tekken! "pukes") Therefore. FISSION MAILED!
Well, guess what...some people do care about the storyline and characters. You might think it's foolish and that's your business...but what makes caring about the storyline any less valid than playing a game for blood? Lots of games have blood in them.
And I'm sick of people saying "If you want a story play this or watch a movie..."
If I get into a product, I expect a full package. If I see a movie, I want a good plot, decent acting, cool looking special effect, etc. When I play a video game, I expect good graphics, fun gameplay, and storyline of some sort and so on.
Armageddon is very fun to play and all that. But it's story...or lack of one...is a disappointment.
People like different aspects of the game. Deal with it.


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Perhaps in the next fight night we need to ask nothing but storyline questions.


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It would be great if they had a Fight Night and we could get all the users to submit nothing but storyline questions. It would send Midway a message they can't ignore that the strength of the series and the thing we want most really is plot.
But there's too many newbies, casual gamers, and folks who are just too shallow in their tastes on MKO to get that kind of cooperation when it comes to the submission process.
So instead, Ed and co. are gonna be able to dodge us and skip to the questions asking them to give away krypt codes and stupid crap like that. Especially since it seems like they don't want to let Vogel speak his mind after that e-mail...and that's if they even have a Fight Night at all. I don't think they even will given all the negativity towards the game.
But there's too many newbies, casual gamers, and folks who are just too shallow in their tastes on MKO to get that kind of cooperation when it comes to the submission process.
So instead, Ed and co. are gonna be able to dodge us and skip to the questions asking them to give away krypt codes and stupid crap like that. Especially since it seems like they don't want to let Vogel speak his mind after that e-mail...and that's if they even have a Fight Night at all. I don't think they even will given all the negativity towards the game.
Yeah, I am also on the "my GOD the storyline sucked in this game!" bandwagon. Some of those endings were actually painful to watch (especially the ones concerning characters that had never really interacted with one another in anyway, showing up in endings almost as if by random
weird) Not to mention that not ONE of those endings resolved any long standing story arc of any of the characters. It has been stated almost to the extent of 'beating a dead horse' that this is an ENDING game for most if not all of the characters. *Shrugs* I guess in a way it's good to know that the MK team was not entirely to blame in this respect and some are just as dissapointed as we are. That still does nothing to block the frustration at the game's story. That aside, I do think that game is fun, I love using the air combos and I'm very pleased (story aside) with the Konquest mode. Shujinko's would have been so much better if it had been done like Taven's. It was actually fun and fast paced.. I didn't find myself getting bored at running to *insert random village person's name here* and going on some ridiculous mission. Also Taven has something that Shujinko is clearly lacking: A personality. So it's not ALL bad.. but that's not enough to save the game as a whole. It was disappointing, without question.
Saving Graces (limited as they are): Konquest and KAK
Cripplers: ... just about EVERYTHING else.
Saving Graces (limited as they are): Konquest and KAK
Cripplers: ... just about EVERYTHING else.


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Damn, does the storyline really suck that bad? 'Cause I like to follow the storylines from each game. Well no use crying over spilt milk. If the game is fun I suppose thats all that matters.
I've stayed silent until now. I suppose I was hoping for a little more, that the people complaining were just nit picking.
I was wrong.
I started with Konquest. I have to admit, the story there was pretty good. The origin of the Red Dragon, the rivalry between the brothers and the manipulation was well written IMO. Then I started to get a little...confused. Reptile? What's he doing there? I thought he ...well...um..grew...? And WHY is he there in the first place...? Oh hey, Shang is alive, and so is Quan Chi. Would be nice to know HOW they are alive.
Ok, finished Konquest. At least now I know how all those warriors started charging at eachother. Ok! Time to start beating the game and "tying up loose ends".
Sindel is picked first. Her ending is ok, it does seem like it could be a "final" ending for her and Kitana. So let's try some other characters.
Hmmm...it's becoming apparant that these are all going to be the "what if" endings that I was HOPING was left behind in MKs1-3.
Well...a little disappointing. Ok, a LOT disappointing. Well, maybe, JUST maybe, the final ending video will explain it all and all of these endings are just for fun!
What do you MEAN there's NO ending video????
I put up with these idiots re-writing and ruining the MK2 saga with Shaolin Monk's horribly contradicting storyline. Now I have to put up with promises of loose ends being tied up, only to find more contradicting endings and more characters being ruined. Wipe the slate clean? You guys better get a brand new freakin WHITEBOARD.
I'm not sure who to blame. Vogel seems to genuinely want to take this universe somewhere interesting. Zucker and his "one MK a year" garbage isn't helping matters much with the time crunch. Combine that with marketing coming up with one idiotic idea after another, and we have a nice recipe for disaster.
I cared a LOT about this universe and the characters in it. I think this is the straw that broke my back finally. I think I am through with MK. It is going to take WAY too much to fix this garbage that it has turned into (they're not GOING to fix ANYTHING anyway, as this game OBVIOUSLY wiped the slate clean, right? right?).
Way to go Midway. You had one incredibly interesting universe, diverse characters, and involving plotlines, and you sent them all screaming down the toilet.
Fatality.
I was wrong.
I started with Konquest. I have to admit, the story there was pretty good. The origin of the Red Dragon, the rivalry between the brothers and the manipulation was well written IMO. Then I started to get a little...confused. Reptile? What's he doing there? I thought he ...well...um..grew...? And WHY is he there in the first place...? Oh hey, Shang is alive, and so is Quan Chi. Would be nice to know HOW they are alive.
Ok, finished Konquest. At least now I know how all those warriors started charging at eachother. Ok! Time to start beating the game and "tying up loose ends".
Sindel is picked first. Her ending is ok, it does seem like it could be a "final" ending for her and Kitana. So let's try some other characters.
Hmmm...it's becoming apparant that these are all going to be the "what if" endings that I was HOPING was left behind in MKs1-3.
Well...a little disappointing. Ok, a LOT disappointing. Well, maybe, JUST maybe, the final ending video will explain it all and all of these endings are just for fun!
What do you MEAN there's NO ending video????
I put up with these idiots re-writing and ruining the MK2 saga with Shaolin Monk's horribly contradicting storyline. Now I have to put up with promises of loose ends being tied up, only to find more contradicting endings and more characters being ruined. Wipe the slate clean? You guys better get a brand new freakin WHITEBOARD.
I'm not sure who to blame. Vogel seems to genuinely want to take this universe somewhere interesting. Zucker and his "one MK a year" garbage isn't helping matters much with the time crunch. Combine that with marketing coming up with one idiotic idea after another, and we have a nice recipe for disaster.
I cared a LOT about this universe and the characters in it. I think this is the straw that broke my back finally. I think I am through with MK. It is going to take WAY too much to fix this garbage that it has turned into (they're not GOING to fix ANYTHING anyway, as this game OBVIOUSLY wiped the slate clean, right? right?).
Way to go Midway. You had one incredibly interesting universe, diverse characters, and involving plotlines, and you sent them all screaming down the toilet.
Fatality.
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We as the mass consumer can do this, I SAY WE MAKE A PETITION FOR A MKA REMAKE! MKA ULITIMATE, in that game is where all the errors for this one is corrected, or we wait idely by and MK8 comes out and we get robbed again. I WILL NOT, WILL NOT BUY THAT SHIT. The money we as people put into this once fine rich storyline has been shredded into the hyporial Blades by Baraka. REMAKE! WHO AGREES?
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Dun 84: Fighters are based around gameplay not stories. FACT.
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Neon_Spec Wrote:
Dun 84: Fighters are based around gameplay not stories. FACT.
Dun 84: Fighters are based around gameplay not stories. FACT.
Did I say they weren't?
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Normally storyline wouldn't ruin a game for me, but I at least expect there to be some background on the characters and endings that actually make sense. That's a prerequisite and as long as the game has that, I'm fine. However, Armageddon had neither, so this a huge exception case for me.
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Neon_Spec Wrote:
Dun 84: Fighters are based around gameplay not stories. FACT.
Dun 84: Fighters are based around gameplay not stories. FACT.
That would apply correctly to a game like Virtua Fighter which has astoundingly excellent gameplay. Play that game and who cares if the fighters don't have stories, it's supposed to be a fighting simulation anyway. MK (the latest three) doesn't have gameplay anywhere near that quality so its strength resided in the storyline. Now, it resides nowhere.
DamRho Wrote:
That would apply correctly to a game like Virtua Fighter which has astoundingly excellent gameplay. Play that game and who cares if the fighters don't have stories, it's supposed to be a fighting simulation anyway. MK (the latest three) doesn't have gameplay anywhere near that quality so its strength resided in the storyline. Now, it resides nowhere.
Neon_Spec Wrote:
Dun 84: Fighters are based around gameplay not stories. FACT.
Dun 84: Fighters are based around gameplay not stories. FACT.
That would apply correctly to a game like Virtua Fighter which has astoundingly excellent gameplay. Play that game and who cares if the fighters don't have stories, it's supposed to be a fighting simulation anyway. MK (the latest three) doesn't have gameplay anywhere near that quality so its strength resided in the storyline. Now, it resides nowhere.
..^^^ Damn...Absolute perfect post....Honestly No Joke, exactly how I feel.^^^
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Fucking fighting games like this ARE A DAMN JOKE. What a waste of money.

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From my understanding from another topic on this site, Even John Vogel was infuriated about how the story turned out and he wanted to put the bios online.


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willywill3 Wrote:
Fucking fighting games like this ARE A DAMN JOKE. What a waste of money.
Fucking fighting games like this ARE A DAMN JOKE. What a waste of money.
You're here, why?
Anyway, I've got an idea for a forum game where people can put their writing talents to work, PM me for details.
I think we should cut the MK team a little slack. With everything thats in Armageddon who would honestly think that they could fit 128 bios in there? The only way would be to cut back on the artwork for them, and I would be pretty pissed. And without the Bios it would be hard to understand the endings. If you took away the bios and Konquest modes for the last two games how many endings could you understand? Would you understand why Scorpion was tossed into the soulnado at the end of DA but at the end of D he's working for the Elder gods? How Sub-Zero got his armor and what happened to Frost?
There was no way they could of done decent endings. I applaud Vogel for wanting to put the bios online, and hopefully the endings. I also wouldn't care if the Wii got these.
There was no way they could of done decent endings. I applaud Vogel for wanting to put the bios online, and hopefully the endings. I also wouldn't care if the Wii got these.
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