Dairou/Hotaru gameplay

Can any reply to this? Here or there? Thx :)

This information from IcePhoenix, from Tekken Zaibatsu.


"there's really not too much strat to this game. just quick 50/50 mix-ups. i was getting by on the darrius bullshit jop told me about last night. using 2 moves...that's it.

qcf+3 is a super fast low hitting move that looks mid and is untechable. mix that up with his 3 in his weapon stance. if the 3 hits, do a qcf+3 again to juggle and put them back on the ground. yes, the low move hits airborne also, haha.

basically what it seems like this time around that you only wanna use quick lows and mids. mkda had high hitting moves that would hit you ducking. at least they corrected that.

i've been playing mostly jade, though. her bo stance seems real solid. the 2,3 pop up juggle starter has been working for me. her b,f+1 teleport is also something i abuse. teleport, mix up with a throw or either 2,3 or b+2. if you land a b+2 or a 2,3 go into 2,1,u+3 for 42% damage. mad easy, mad damage. her b,f+4 shadow kick also seems to hit when it shouldn't. b,f+2 projectile avoid seems ok but most of the projectiles in this are easily sidestepped/sidewalked anyway.."

To all those that don't know, qcf means Quarter Circle Forward, which is down, forward.

"here's a quick li mei juggle i did last night that looks pretty cool and does 38%:

in her sword stance:

f,d+3, d,b+4, 2,2,3

or f,d+3, d,b+4, f,f+2

you can also do another f,d+3 after the first one but does less damage. seems like she can get some pretty decent juggles going now that she has that sword instead of the sais from mkda."

Dunno if anyone posted this or not - kabal hidden branch combo 50%

Sun Bin: U+3, cs, 1, 1, cs, 1, 4, cs

I think it was versatile who said mkl came up with a more effective way to use sub zero...I looked through the last several pages and couldnt find it....can anyone copy paste it , tell me whats mkl's forum name, or at least tell me what page its on? Couldnt find it or anyone named mkl...

...also, those new sub combos ROCK! can you give me any tips on the last cold shoulder...cant get that part off for some reason... :/
Will greatly appreciate replys since SZ is my fave, thanks.

That is it. _NE0_ is MKL.

_NE0_ (a/k/a MKL, a/k/a TOMBRADY)

I just wanted to tell you that it was an honor getting my ass kicked by you on PS2 online.

At first you didnt want to play me, because you thought that I would "bitch too much" when losing, but in the end, you impressed the everloving hell out of me. And for that, I just wanted to let you know (IM SURE you get this frequently...) that you are literaly the best player that I have EVER seen.

And thats ALOT of players, Ive been playing MK online ever since the SNES, with MK3 and a little modem called "XBAND".

Hopefully, we'll play again soon. If we dont though, it was an honor.

Um, couldn't you have just PMed that whole message instead of licking his butt in this thread. Please stick to the topic or make a new thread.

As for saying that Jade is all that.....well....her damage yes. The only thing about her that keeps me from giving her elite status is the fact that most of her moves have HORRIBLE recovery. That is her trade off. Yes she does hella damage but if you are every blocked you are meat and you can count on running out of breakers fast with her.

Thx for the paste swb and the strat mkl. It works since there are some nice observations about subs abilities.

Well first off, widowmaker....

No, I CANT actually PM him that message. I dont know if its because of the fact that I joined the forum while they were having problems with the PM system, or what, but PMs dont work for me, period.

Second, since when did you board-whores decide that interaction between members is forbidden? I thought that was the whole damn point of HAVING a message board.. To share information, yes, but to bitch and moan whenever someone directs a comment or message to someone else in particular?

Jesus, this may as well be a communist board, and end in *.ru. Whatever people, screw it, I'll sit here and keep posting strategies for those of you who cant find them on your own. Maybe that will make you all happy, and entertained. Or.. wait, heres an idea.... start the game, go into practice, and find some of your OWN shit, rather than trolling the message boards waiting for people to tell you how to play.

I am really starting to get worried about some of these numbers the game is putting out. I have noticed that on some combos I do, when I count the hits I get one or two hits less that what the game says I actually get. And sometimes the numbers per hit don't add up to the percentages.

Kira, in Kenpo U+1, U+1, U+1 = 3hit 33% but the hits go 16,10,6 which is 32. If you do the same combo after her Kiss of Death it equals 11% but the hits go 11,7,4 which equal 22%.

(shrugs)

It's MK, dude. What do you expect?

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brc has a 45% weapon combo after his throw.

throw, b1,411u3

I think you mean 244u3.

Damn, I didn't know that you could hit them with anything after the throw. They can't even block it lol.

For some reason, I've gotten 34%, 45%, and 47% out of the same combo...wierd.

MKD's juggle system is wacked, but it's a helluva lot more fun and versatile than the MKDA one.

I'm going to comment and add onto MKL's post about Sub..


"sub needs to be played ONLY in kori stance"

Now theres certain times where you're going to want to use something else other than Kori Blade, and here they are.

1. They are in your face when the round starts due to the positioning you 2 were left in after round 1-2. In this case it's best to go with Shotokan: d+1. Shit will beat out PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING they do. If it's block get ready to take some damage however, so you may want to mix that up with the cold shoulder if you're facing somebody you play a lot.

2. Obviously when they are out of breakers switch to shotokan after Kori: b+2 and go for Konqrr's 54%.

"the basic strat is to use the ice clone but not the standard freeze move too much because this is how people get in on sub."

Make sure you're in the right space zone to clone, or else you'll end up getting raped due to Clone's recovery time. Also, do not be TOO predictable with the clone, for if they feel you are going to do one you can eat a retaliation free projectile. Freeze will be stepped and you will get zoned in on, so stray away from using it too much like Bill says.

"instead clone close to them and advance. u can advance and back up and turtle some more then clone again or anvance in after the clone and poke with 1, 1 b1, b2,b4, throw, etc."

My sub is just b+2,throw off a throw. I feel all that other stuff's risk/reward ratio is way to high/low to use the others he just suggests, but to each his own.

"when crouching his best crouching low is ducking 3.
i use this when couching high attacks or throws. "

agreed, but don't count on this to bail you out when they in close at the beginning of the fight like I said.

"when u block someting with lag punish with b2 then use the d2 uppercut to finish because once they r in the air they cant breaker the d2. this does 23% with them in a non weapon stance wither ther r frozen or not and 28% with them in a weapon stance. after this come in and u can mix up with a thorw,b2 ,b4, clone and turtle up, or clone then come in for a mixup. when using b2 make sure u do it from a little farther out then point blank range. u should be ablu to bd to safety or crouch their next move. once u r up 30% or more u need to have infinite patience and turtle behind the clone. MAKE THEM COME TO U."

All this is the real deal as usual. Make sure when they have chip damage to cold shoulder their ass. When behind a clone sometimes also do a cold shoulder. If they dont expect it theres a small chance it will be punished. That's pretty much it.

without infinites I would say

Scorpion
Liu kang
kobra
nightwolf

I think scorpion and liu kang are the best though.

For scorpion... I never see anyone use his standing 2 in hapkido. It's the combo starter for that axekick pop up shit but is much better if used alone. First off it is extremely fast , stuns anyone you hit and even if they block you are safe leaving you to do a free f+3 b+3, hellfire, throw, or standing 3 into pop up. That is one insane mixup right there.

Also like mentioned before his sword stance is insane. Fucking f+1 d+1 all damn day.

I've said all this shit before but I dont see anyone using it. I think it's a must for any scorpion player. It's all you have to do!

Liu kang...

Ok this man is an animal. Standing 3 in first stance is amazing... You dont even have to start it with 1,1. After the standing 3 you can mix right into either a f+2 overhead into bycicle kick for crazy damage (and easy) ,a b+4 sweep, throw, low fireball, 1,1,3 rinse and fucking repeat lol or pretty much fucking anything haha. Liu is no joke.

Btw here are a couple of little things I never see done.

Noob smoke- With noob... After you throw with noob you get a free F,F,3... It's free!

Please tell me if youguys disagree with my tier list. I seriously think thats how it should be. I posted some shit but deleted it cause I didnt want people abusing it online. It wouldd completely break the damn game.

Scoot fuck that. Post all strats whether they are broken or not. The game is ALREADY broken. No need to hide shit to save the already drowning gameplay....

as for the tier list...right now i see...

Top 15(in no real order except for top 10)
1. Dairou
2. Liu Kang
3. Jade
4. Darrius
5. Scorpion
6. Bo Rai Cho
7. Shujinko
8. Raiden
9. Noob Smoke
10. Hotaru
11. Baraka
12. Sub-Zero
13. Li Mei
14. Sindel
15. Kobra
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24. Kabal

this tier list is obviously not 100% accurate, and actually just what i feel is what's up right now with the game strat wise, and my hours upon hours of experience vs friends(who read this site and know whats up with the game as well). I know peeps think Kobra should be higher and that sindel should be lower, whateva. The game is still way to fresh to have a definitive tier list. When there are actual big time tournaments we can really start formulating one. Also, Ermac is good, maybe not top 15 but he can win if you play him smart..

Sindel has an excellent game, just play Danadbab on PS2 online...he'll show you.

Fu Jow Pai 111 hits, they are stunned like forever. FJP b+2 recovers like Li Mei's Mi Zong b+4 o_O...hits mid and DOWNED OPPONENTS O_o...From long range, mix up Kwan Do u+2 with u+1.

Anyways...Dairou is definitely the best, he's a cheap whore...Bo and Scorp are death to all as always. With Bo's throw combo (thanks MKL), the match is over very quickly.

I really like Kira though...with the step cancel, you can kiss~step~kiss~repeat forever lol ... Kenpo is the only stance for me. F+3 then U+1, uppercut if they don't break. Once their breakers are gone, F+3, U+1, 11csb2. Ball does 16 damage, much greater than Kano in MKDA.

Ok fuck it.

Noob smoke...

As smoke d+1 throw over and over. Works kinda like a tick throw in sf. The only way out is to dash back. If you are in the corner you cannot get out. It cannot be broken with a combo breaker either.

If they arent in the corner and you want to infninite just throw, back up a step or 2 and jump kick right before the guy falls down and throw again... Repeat. This one can be broken with a breaker but it works pretty much everywhere. A throw is 100% free off of a jump kick.

Hotaru ashrah and knightwolf all have the same infinite. My friend doesnt want me to blow it up though.

OK, question for you experts. I was playing a bunch of games against CaliPower tonight and he kept spoiling my rushdown by getting up to the side. I don't know what move he is doing, but my high/low move would miss by 90 degrees and he would appear on my character's side as he got up. This usually happened when he was playing Ermac. This isn't a character-specific move, is it? If not, how do you do it?

Can you just hold up or down as you get up to get up with a roll to that side? I know you can roll to the side as soon as you hit the ground from the air, but can you do the same as you get up? If you can do that, it's news to me. I haven't played MK since MK2, so excuse my ignorance if this is common knowledge, but it sure makes it tough to rushdown when your moves are whiffing as your opponent gets up.

this is how it is...



dairou and brc r the top 2 with brc possibly being #1. then in no order u get scorp,jade,and noob smoke. thats your tier 1 right there. liu is high mid only. he has a lot of problems.

1 more thing to add about brc. f3 in weapon guarantees a throw.

heres what i think...
1~Dairou i hate him!! i refuse to play as him!! he should actually be be ranked 24 just cuse of his assness!! boy the mk team fuck up on this 1!!

the rest r pretty much good... but i think it goes in this order..

2~Scorpion
3~Bo Rai Cho
4~Noob Smoke!
5~Kabal
6~Sindel
7~Liu Kang
8~ASHRAH
9~Jade
10~ Raiden
11~Kobra
12~ Shujinko
13~Darrius
14~Sub-Zero
15~Li Mei
.16~kira
.17~Hotaru
18~Baraka
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24~MILEENA

ok, now its official...

brc is #1 and dairou is #2. then scorp and jade r 3 and 4 but not sure whos 3 and whos 4 lol. mileena is really good but shes more of a high mid/mid character but no where near last.



THIS IS MY LAST DAY PLAYING THIS GAME BECAUSE DOAU COMES OUT TOMOROW. ANYONE ON HERE WHO WANTS TO FEEL Y BRC IS #1 PLEASE PLAY ME TODAY BECAUSE THERE IS NO TOMOROW.

i wanna fight u, but no dairou!!!!! what is ur name on the shit any way?