The only moron and a rude, ignorant one as evident by your stupid posts in this thread is you Versatile.

How many times do you need the same thing explained to you?

In MKD Ashrah had a sweep, throw that, if done over and over was an INFINITE. But all the time people only did it once and no one complained. The community accepted that long ago. It's exactly the same here with Jade. Why are you trying to change the format now?

If someone does THROW, FREE THROW then stops, that is fine. If they carry on, it's an infinite. Do you understand?

There is no logical reason to disallow this one free move for Jade at all. So stop dictating to people how to play this game.

dark purple you are not american are you?

The rule was 1 throw per combo. What you're saying does not cooperate with the rule so it is not done.

Logical reason 1:

Its a part of an infinite making it a non legitiment strategy. Freethrows are sit up by attacks.

2 throws in a row in which you are defenceless aint right imo. If you did 2 in a row with Subzero, Thats ok because the opponent had a chance to avoid it. With Jade, you can abuse her throw and do another one right after with no chance of escape. It aint right.

Look.. for you people that think a throw into a free throw is legit... than versatile is right.. you are a moron.

Unless you wait for a delay to actually call it a 50/50... then yes.. it is partial infinite.

The only time when you can free grab and actually call it legit, is when you combo into it.

That 'rule' existed to stop partial infinites such as Ashrah's throw, sweep, throw in MKD. There was no character in MKD where you could throw, free throw, therefore the rule needs to be updated for Jade in MKA.



Once again for about the 5th time, in MKD Ashrah did throw, sweep all the time and no one complained it was a non legitimate strategy.



This makes no sense. How are you defenceless for 2 throws? The first throw is a normal one you can duck or parry. It is only the second one you are defenceless against.




It has been pointed out for what is about the 6th time now about Ashrah's throw sweep in MKD which was perfectly acceptable yet as with most idiots who have a fixed opinion about something and who can't bear fact or reality to get in the way of disproving it, you keep ignoring this no matter how many times it's repeated.

Aside from her, and the horrible risk we all faced fighting her because she COULD do the throw, sweep over and over and it would be an infinite, both Bo and Scorpion had PARTIAL INFINITES which were more than one free move at a time and no one claimed their moves were illegal.

So seeing as no one cared about Ashrah's throw, sweep possibly leading to an infinite and no one cared about Bo's and Scorpion's partial infinites, stop whining that this is a partial infinite for Jade when all it is, is one free move at a time like any other.

It is identical to any other free throw and as legitimate as any other cheap, 'play to win' tactic in this game. Put that in your rule book and get on with contributing something useful to the game.

"2 throws in a row in which you are defenceless aint right imo. If you did 2 in a row with Subzero, Thats ok because the opponent had a chance to avoid it. With Jade, you can abuse her throw and do another one right after with no chance of escape. It aint right."

"Look.. for you people that think a throw into a free throw is legit... than versatile is right.. you are a moron.


Unless you wait for a delay to actually call it a 50/50... then yes.. it is partial infinite.


The only time when you can free grab and actually call it legit, is when you combo into it. "

Both these statements are 100% correct.

DarkPurple, stop being a Johnnie Cochran. Your opinion on what's legit or isn't means nothing to us. We've been doing it like this for years, and it's not going to change.

No, both the statements are completely wrong in relation to this matter. Jade's throw, free throw is as perfectly legit as any other move, free move in the game and no amount of denial on your part can change that.



I have no idea what being a 'Johnnie Cochran' is, but you Versatile, remind me of an OJ Simpson juror. Despite all the evidence to prove something a fact, you choose to deny it and pretend the opposite is true because that's what you want to believe.

Neither you nor your friends have provided any logical or rational reason why Jade's throw, free throw is any different from any other free move. You have just repeated the same disproven nonsense over and over again like some pre programmed robots stuck in a loop. If you want to be a scrub and whine about other people's perfectly fair free throws, that is your business. No high level player with a real 'play to win' mentality is going to have much patience with that attitude.

And your comment about my opinion meaning nothing to 'you' highlights precisely your mentality. You have no respect for anyone else's opinions and believe that you are somehow superior.

Well, Versatile, I have news for you. Whatever respect you may once have commanded has all but gone from 90% of the people on this board.

In this thread you have managed to insult pretty much everyone from both sides of the Atlantic, refused to acknowledge anyone's opinions that differed from your own and shown ignorance about most of the characters apart from how to play a broken Sareena, Quan, Noob and Sub.

I don't know how this tier list will turn out but one thing is for sure - if someone ever gets round to creating a tier list of all the jerks on MKO, you, Versatile, are going to be put straight in at God Tier...

lol @ this fool thinking I care about the respect of anyone who dislikes me.

I barely, if ever, feel the need to use Sub,Sar or Quan, so there goes your theory that I am ignorant of all but top tier. Would you like me to rape you using Kahn,Cage,Nitara,Kitana,Smoke,Cyrax,Sektor,Fujin,Kung Lao,Ermac,Frost,Shinnok,Bo and Jax? It can be arranged, and I am the best with all of those characters except maybe 4.

"You have no respect for anyone else's opinions and believe that you are somehow superior."

No, and yes. I respect the opinion of people who actually know what the fuck they are talking about(Quik,K-rob,Dave,Drumz). I don't respect the opinion of people who obviously aren't equipped to discuss the topic at hand(IE: most of the posters here)

If four average basketball players were talking with Michael Jordan about who are the best current players, who's opinion do you think matters more? Obviously it's MJ, right? He is, afterall, the best player of all time and knows more about the game than a bunch of benchwarmers.

The same way of thinking works here, whether any of you want to admit it or not.

Fuck if I care what a bunch of scrubs thousands of miles away from me thinks about my persona.

To Galatic

"Verstile, I'm referring to the danadbab/m2dave matches. And where did I say Jarek is better than Scorpion?"

Those Dan vs Dave match videos were lackluster to say the least. I've seen better from both players, but going by those matches I would say neither is elite.

I looked back, and you didn't say Jarek is better than Scorpion. I still don't see how he is top tier, and I've faced a decent amount of Jarek players.

Dragon is worthless without backdash canceling that was present in it's MKD version. It all hits high and is unsafe on block.

Kick axe can be good, but not top tier good. You must realize his Axe can be parried very easily, and needs to be constantly mixed up to be effective. It is not like MKD where you could whore the axe out all day for the most part.

The pound is easy to see coming, and long distance kick is punishable if stepped properly. Add in a mediocre throw and limited poking options and I can't fathom how he's top tier. I see him as a gimmick that is at first seen as awesome, but as the community progresses skill wise his weaknesses are exposed.

I've heard and seen great things from you, and I know you're supposed to be one of the(if not THE) best in both MKD and MKA, but I disagree greatly.

Sareena,Scorpion,Sub-Zero,Noob,Quan Chi,Drahmin,Mavado,Tanya and Kenshi are the only top tier characters to me. The more I think about it, the more I realize that 10 characters are not needed to form the top tier listings. There are lots of other good characters, but none as dominating as those 9.

I also feel Bo Rai Cho, Stryker, Kung Lao, Hsu Hao and a few others are better than Jarek, too.

Fuck if I care what a bunch of scrubs thousands of miles away from me thinks about my persona

^^^^^^^ Dig That.

L7KROB.

Yes there was. Liu Kang could throw, then throw again. It wasn't considered legit.

Dark Purple.. you actually give me kick with those posts about OJ, and Versatile being a "scrub'

He is probably the best player online as of right now, and here you are tellin him whats legit. You should give it a rest man... It is partial Infinte whatever you do, and dont deny that it is.

QUIK is right, its the same thing as Liu's Throw, run up throw again in MKD. It wasnt't legit.. and that has already been established. Dont change the fact of
that, Jade's grab into a free grab is exactly the same thing.

So you might wanna drop your little habit of the partial infinite.. it lands you nowhere but a hated player.

And Im not trying to bash on you... Im just giving you a hint so that you dont become hated.

Versatile, I hate to break this to you, but you are no one special. You seem to have this superiority complex whereby you think you're better than me or most of the other people on this board.

I have news for you kid - you're just a nerd with an opinion, like everyone else on a video game message board so drop the superiority act, stop being a fool and learn to respect the views of others. If you can't then an Internet message board is not the place for someone like you.

(Actually, come to think of it, an Internet message board IS the place for someone like you, which is probably why internet message boards have such a bad reputation...)

Anyway, moving on...




Quik, if someone threw me twice with Liu and then stopped I didn't bitch or whine. If he did it 3 times or more then it was an infinite and I would.

The same applies to Jade here.




It simply isn't, my friend and until you can actually address the Ashrah, Bo and Scorpion situation from MKD and acknowledge that no crap about 'partial infinites' ever applied there, you just sound like a broken stuck record saying the same nonsense thing over and over again.


BALL_SAC, you are not bashing me. You are entitled to your opinion. I am not Versatile, where everyone has to think the same way I do or they are inferior scum who deserve to die.
And as I said previously, I only use this tactic against the very cheapest players otherwise, as you say, people start hating you.
However, the fact remains that it is monumental hypocrisy to single out this particular free move as illegitimate when it is no different to any of the others in the game.
And as the only reason given for its illegality is this 'partial infinite' nonsense that has been proven illogical by the references to Ashrah, Bo and Scorpion from MKD that no one has been able to refute, it is clear that Jade's Throw, Free Throw is perfectly valid for anyone to use.
Furthermore, I will send $10 by PayPal to anyone that uses it against Versatile and beats him in a series with it.
$20 if, afterwards he comes to this board and bitches about it...

DarkPurple -

There are unwritten rules in MK that the community follows.

One of them is -

"1 Free throws in a combo"


You have no point in arguing.

This rule exists since 2004. This rule and others are what makes MK playble.



Versatile -


Totaly agree with what you said on Jerek being a gimmick.


I feel the same was in MKD with Baraka, everyone were a bit suprised at first but he was taken for what he is after a while.

And there is an unwritten rule that says you don't play one game, win it then run, but loads of people do.

As I said before, your rule only applied to throw, move, throw such as you had with Ashrah in MKD to stop an infinite.

It doesn't apply to MKA Ashrah because of the wakeup game, and as MKA is a new game, new rules are likely to apply.

And also, as I said before in case you didn't read that either, I had no problem with someone throwing me twice with Liu in MKD. 3 times yes, twice no.

Same with Jade.

Thanks VQ. =)



dragon sucks. d+1 and d+4 are his only moves. d+1 in axe also. That's all you need. Nothing spectacular but good offensive low pokes and good interrupters. you can buffer his axe mix ups and his pound after both d+1s. d+4 is the standard low kick. But who needs Dragon when you have his Axe?

If 1,3,4 connects you have a free throw. That's almost 40%. It doesn't matter if you jump over his pound all the time. So what? It still eliminates controlled get-ins if you are forced to jump all the time. When the Jarek player has a comfortable lead, the round is over.

also, if I get parried, then it's my (the players) fault! Not the character. Hope you guys realize that.

and why is his throw bad? it still does 16% and most importnat it gives you the option to stay close or to turtle up. With all the 13% and standard 16% throws around it's decent.

Wrong. I used 1 free throw per combo everytime and others used it as well. I even used it on you if the lag allowed it (not that often ) and you never said something. If the free throw comes from a throw, but was escapable, well bad luck I guess. f.e. : NS throw (escapable), unbreakable, ss free throw, unbreakable, 50/50. all legit. same with darrius, kang etc.

The "rule" was 1 throw per combo. Noob-Smoke's throw, ff4, db2, d1, b1, SS, throw, wasn't accepted as legit back then. Darrius' throw, 3, df3, SS, throw, was also not accepted. How ever you guys arrange stuff on PAL is your own business, but that's how we roll on NTSC. The fact is that infinites in MK:D and MK:A are ridiculous. No experience necessary. Just keep pressing 3, 3 over and over with Kenshi? Shit needs to be limited and this is what we came up with. Deal with it.

Well said, Quik.

Galatic, Jarek's 50/50 between pound and long kick is not enough to make him top tier. You can see the pound coming with a trained eye and then only really have to worry about the kick, which takes away it being a 50/50 and just a good "surprise" type move. Axe 1,3,4,4,4, leads to a free throw, yes, but there are many characters who can get just as much damage without the risk. The players on PAL may just be far behind you skill wise, but over here that shit will get parried by me left and right. You will hardly if ever get past the 1,3 part.

is there a general consensus on the top 10 yet? Ignoring order is also fine.

have you read my post? parries can be anticipated and punished. If you whore 1,3,4 all the time, yeah you might get parried. Same if you abuse noob 2,4 scorpion f+1 quan d+1 d+3 24/7. And yes you can parry in-between but the timing has to be perfect ; especially with lag. If you fuck it up you will eat a 4 that leads to a free throw.

The timing is not hard for parrying the Axe combo. It's nowhere near the difficulty of any of the other combos you mentioned.


Jarek just isn't top tier dude. Maybe some vids of you playing him will change my view, but from I've seen he's a gimmick character who is easy to parry and has a easy to avoid unblockable.

i have to agree... his fighting styles are weak, his slide rope moves doesn't even hit low(like Mavado), the pound is his best move but that alone doesn't make him high tier at all

I think that Jarek is as good as Dairou

have to say ur right last time i played galactic i parryed the shit out of him
its not hard to see it comming even if i block 1,3 against kickaxe i can add parry in the combo itself

ill make some video shit from pal soon u all can see what where made off

but where not that crap as u ntsc plyers think i bet me and 5 best mates from pal can add to u guys skillevel